Hillary won more votes for President

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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    BS44325 said:

    unsung said:

    When your private position becomes public...


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    The funny thing is that every private statement that comes out makes me like her more. If I had confidence in her private positions I would whole heartedly endorse her.
    I understand this with regards to foreign affairs, but I'm surprised that a private positive attitude towards fracking would be seen as a good thing in your eyes. Do you mind my asking about your position on climate change?
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    benjs said:

    BS44325 said:

    unsung said:

    When your private position becomes public...


    image

    The funny thing is that every private statement that comes out makes me like her more. If I had confidence in her private positions I would whole heartedly endorse her.
    I understand this with regards to foreign affairs, but I'm surprised that a private positive attitude towards fracking would be seen as a good thing in your eyes. Do you mind my asking about your position on climate change?
    Read the whole message/speech Benjs. Pick up the whole context
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    JC29856 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    unsung said:

    When your private position becomes public...


    image

    It almost sounds like she considers environmentalists to be a basket of deplorables.
    I wouldn't make too big a deal over it, just politics. She prob just saying that to get elected, once elected she will do the right thing.
    Now that's funny! Anything to justify her lying to get elected... Wonder what other issues she would "do the right thing on" if elected? She has flip flopped on gay marriage, does anyone really know her stance or what she considers "the right thing" on anything?
    JC is being sarcastic.

    The gay marriage example is silly. Just about every Democratic politician has changed their view on this issue over the past 20 years (including Sanders and Obama). And many Republicans have, in moderate districts.

    But broadly, I think it's a very strange world where politicians are criticized for changing positions. I want a politician that can learn, change and represent the majority will, presuming it does not infringe on the rights of others.
    I too want a politician that can learn and change, but I don't want a politician who just sticks their finger in the air to determine which way the wind is blowing. I do remain concerned that Hillary Clinton is just that.

    ___________________________________________

    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    JimmyV said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    JC29856 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    unsung said:

    When your private position becomes public...


    image

    It almost sounds like she considers environmentalists to be a basket of deplorables.
    I wouldn't make too big a deal over it, just politics. She prob just saying that to get elected, once elected she will do the right thing.
    Now that's funny! Anything to justify her lying to get elected... Wonder what other issues she would "do the right thing on" if elected? She has flip flopped on gay marriage, does anyone really know her stance or what she considers "the right thing" on anything?
    JC is being sarcastic.

    The gay marriage example is silly. Just about every Democratic politician has changed their view on this issue over the past 20 years (including Sanders and Obama). And many Republicans have, in moderate districts.

    But broadly, I think it's a very strange world where politicians are criticized for changing positions. I want a politician that can learn, change and represent the majority will, presuming it does not infringe on the rights of others.
    I too want a politician that can learn and change, but I don't want a politician who just sticks their finger in the air to determine which way the wind is blowing. I do remain concerned that Hillary Clinton is just that.

    Isn't that pretty much what what politicians are elected to do? They are elected to serve the will of the people they represent, not their own will.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    rgambs said:

    JimmyV said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    JC29856 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    unsung said:

    When your private position becomes public...


    image

    It almost sounds like she considers environmentalists to be a basket of deplorables.
    I wouldn't make too big a deal over it, just politics. She prob just saying that to get elected, once elected she will do the right thing.
    Now that's funny! Anything to justify her lying to get elected... Wonder what other issues she would "do the right thing on" if elected? She has flip flopped on gay marriage, does anyone really know her stance or what she considers "the right thing" on anything?
    JC is being sarcastic.

    The gay marriage example is silly. Just about every Democratic politician has changed their view on this issue over the past 20 years (including Sanders and Obama). And many Republicans have, in moderate districts.

    But broadly, I think it's a very strange world where politicians are criticized for changing positions. I want a politician that can learn, change and represent the majority will, presuming it does not infringe on the rights of others.
    I too want a politician that can learn and change, but I don't want a politician who just sticks their finger in the air to determine which way the wind is blowing. I do remain concerned that Hillary Clinton is just that.

    Isn't that pretty much what what politicians are elected to do? They are elected to serve the will of the people they represent, not their own will.
    It's a balance. They should show leadership too.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    rgambs said:

    JimmyV said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    JC29856 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    unsung said:

    When your private position becomes public...


    image

    It almost sounds like she considers environmentalists to be a basket of deplorables.
    I wouldn't make too big a deal over it, just politics. She prob just saying that to get elected, once elected she will do the right thing.
    Now that's funny! Anything to justify her lying to get elected... Wonder what other issues she would "do the right thing on" if elected? She has flip flopped on gay marriage, does anyone really know her stance or what she considers "the right thing" on anything?
    JC is being sarcastic.

    The gay marriage example is silly. Just about every Democratic politician has changed their view on this issue over the past 20 years (including Sanders and Obama). And many Republicans have, in moderate districts.

    But broadly, I think it's a very strange world where politicians are criticized for changing positions. I want a politician that can learn, change and represent the majority will, presuming it does not infringe on the rights of others.
    I too want a politician that can learn and change, but I don't want a politician who just sticks their finger in the air to determine which way the wind is blowing. I do remain concerned that Hillary Clinton is just that.

    Isn't that pretty much what what politicians are elected to do? They are elected to serve the will of the people they represent, not their own will.
    I don't think so. They are elected to lead. Especially at the presidential level. I don't want someone in that office who is just going to do whatever I want them to do. I want someone who's judgment and competency I can trust, who can do the job, even if I occasionally disagree with their decisions. At some level I trust the President to be more informed than I am. That's the nature of the job we are essentially hiring them to do. I don't want someone leading from behind by trying to guess what we want them to do. I want them to do what they believe we need them to do. That to me is leadership.
    ___________________________________________

    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    mrussel1 said:

    rgambs said:

    JimmyV said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    JC29856 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    unsung said:

    When your private position becomes public...


    image

    It almost sounds like she considers environmentalists to be a basket of deplorables.
    I wouldn't make too big a deal over it, just politics. She prob just saying that to get elected, once elected she will do the right thing.
    Now that's funny! Anything to justify her lying to get elected... Wonder what other issues she would "do the right thing on" if elected? She has flip flopped on gay marriage, does anyone really know her stance or what she considers "the right thing" on anything?
    JC is being sarcastic.

    The gay marriage example is silly. Just about every Democratic politician has changed their view on this issue over the past 20 years (including Sanders and Obama). And many Republicans have, in moderate districts.

    But broadly, I think it's a very strange world where politicians are criticized for changing positions. I want a politician that can learn, change and represent the majority will, presuming it does not infringe on the rights of others.
    I too want a politician that can learn and change, but I don't want a politician who just sticks their finger in the air to determine which way the wind is blowing. I do remain concerned that Hillary Clinton is just that.

    Isn't that pretty much what what politicians are elected to do? They are elected to serve the will of the people they represent, not their own will.
    It's a balance. They should show leadership too.
    Exactly.
    ___________________________________________

    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    JC29856 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    unsung said:

    When your private position becomes public...


    image

    It almost sounds like she considers environmentalists to be a basket of deplorables.
    I wouldn't make too big a deal over it, just politics. She prob just saying that to get elected, once elected she will do the right thing.
    Now that's funny! Anything to justify her lying to get elected... Wonder what other issues she would "do the right thing on" if elected? She has flip flopped on gay marriage, does anyone really know her stance or what she considers "the right thing" on anything?
    JC is being sarcastic.

    The gay marriage example is silly. Just about every Democratic politician has changed their view on this issue over the past 20 years (including Sanders and Obama). And many Republicans have, in moderate districts.

    But broadly, I think it's a very strange world where politicians are criticized for changing positions. I want a politician that can learn, change and represent the majority will, presuming it does not infringe on the rights of others.
    Publicly they have. Gotta get votes...must keep the POWER AT ALL COSTS!!!
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    rgambs said:

    JimmyV said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    JC29856 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    unsung said:

    When your private position becomes public...


    image

    It almost sounds like she considers environmentalists to be a basket of deplorables.
    I wouldn't make too big a deal over it, just politics. She prob just saying that to get elected, once elected she will do the right thing.
    Now that's funny! Anything to justify her lying to get elected... Wonder what other issues she would "do the right thing on" if elected? She has flip flopped on gay marriage, does anyone really know her stance or what she considers "the right thing" on anything?
    JC is being sarcastic.

    The gay marriage example is silly. Just about every Democratic politician has changed their view on this issue over the past 20 years (including Sanders and Obama). And many Republicans have, in moderate districts.

    But broadly, I think it's a very strange world where politicians are criticized for changing positions. I want a politician that can learn, change and represent the majority will, presuming it does not infringe on the rights of others.
    I too want a politician that can learn and change, but I don't want a politician who just sticks their finger in the air to determine which way the wind is blowing. I do remain concerned that Hillary Clinton is just that.

    Isn't that pretty much what what politicians are elected to do? They are elected to serve the will of the people they represent, not their own will.
    This.

    They should be doing what the people want, not their own interests. Their interests can be purchased.

    That said, if a majority of the people wanted to ban something but it infringed on the Rights of the few then they need to protect the few. Doesn't matter what it is applied to.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    unsung said:

    rgambs said:

    JimmyV said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    JC29856 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    unsung said:

    When your private position becomes public...


    image

    It almost sounds like she considers environmentalists to be a basket of deplorables.
    I wouldn't make too big a deal over it, just politics. She prob just saying that to get elected, once elected she will do the right thing.
    Now that's funny! Anything to justify her lying to get elected... Wonder what other issues she would "do the right thing on" if elected? She has flip flopped on gay marriage, does anyone really know her stance or what she considers "the right thing" on anything?
    JC is being sarcastic.

    The gay marriage example is silly. Just about every Democratic politician has changed their view on this issue over the past 20 years (including Sanders and Obama). And many Republicans have, in moderate districts.

    But broadly, I think it's a very strange world where politicians are criticized for changing positions. I want a politician that can learn, change and represent the majority will, presuming it does not infringe on the rights of others.
    I too want a politician that can learn and change, but I don't want a politician who just sticks their finger in the air to determine which way the wind is blowing. I do remain concerned that Hillary Clinton is just that.

    Isn't that pretty much what what politicians are elected to do? They are elected to serve the will of the people they represent, not their own will.
    This.

    They should be doing what the people want, not their own interests. Their interests can be purchased.

    That said, if a majority of the people wanted to ban something but it infringed on the Rights of the few then they need to protect the few. Doesn't matter what it is applied to.
    We agree?
    Naw, can't be lol
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    rgambs said:

    JimmyV said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    JC29856 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    unsung said:

    When your private position becomes public...


    image

    It almost sounds like she considers environmentalists to be a basket of deplorables.
    I wouldn't make too big a deal over it, just politics. She prob just saying that to get elected, once elected she will do the right thing.
    Now that's funny! Anything to justify her lying to get elected... Wonder what other issues she would "do the right thing on" if elected? She has flip flopped on gay marriage, does anyone really know her stance or what she considers "the right thing" on anything?
    JC is being sarcastic.

    The gay marriage example is silly. Just about every Democratic politician has changed their view on this issue over the past 20 years (including Sanders and Obama). And many Republicans have, in moderate districts.

    But broadly, I think it's a very strange world where politicians are criticized for changing positions. I want a politician that can learn, change and represent the majority will, presuming it does not infringe on the rights of others.
    I too want a politician that can learn and change, but I don't want a politician who just sticks their finger in the air to determine which way the wind is blowing. I do remain concerned that Hillary Clinton is just that.

    Isn't that pretty much what what politicians are elected to do? They are elected to serve the will of the people they represent, not their own will.
    This.

    They should be doing what the people want, not their own interests. Their interests can be purchased.

    That said, if a majority of the people wanted to ban something but it infringed on the Rights of the few then they need to protect the few. Doesn't matter what it is applied to.
    We agree?
    Naw, can't be lol
    Exactly what I said too. It's a crazy day!
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    rgambs said:

    JimmyV said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    JC29856 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    unsung said:

    When your private position becomes public...


    image

    It almost sounds like she considers environmentalists to be a basket of deplorables.
    I wouldn't make too big a deal over it, just politics. She prob just saying that to get elected, once elected she will do the right thing.
    Now that's funny! Anything to justify her lying to get elected... Wonder what other issues she would "do the right thing on" if elected? She has flip flopped on gay marriage, does anyone really know her stance or what she considers "the right thing" on anything?
    JC is being sarcastic.

    The gay marriage example is silly. Just about every Democratic politician has changed their view on this issue over the past 20 years (including Sanders and Obama). And many Republicans have, in moderate districts.

    But broadly, I think it's a very strange world where politicians are criticized for changing positions. I want a politician that can learn, change and represent the majority will, presuming it does not infringe on the rights of others.
    I too want a politician that can learn and change, but I don't want a politician who just sticks their finger in the air to determine which way the wind is blowing. I do remain concerned that Hillary Clinton is just that.

    Isn't that pretty much what what politicians are elected to do? They are elected to serve the will of the people they represent, not their own will.
    This.

    They should be doing what the people want, not their own interests. Their interests can be purchased.

    That said, if a majority of the people wanted to ban something but it infringed on the Rights of the few then they need to protect the few. Doesn't matter what it is applied to.
    We agree?
    Naw, can't be lol
    My position on this hasn't changed, don't know what to tell ya.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    I guess, in other words, public feelings shouldn't set policy if one person is suffering from it.
  • Boxes&Books
    Boxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    RT: NatWest to close Russian channel's UK bank accounts
    Hillary is thirsty for war with Russia. Democrats are war hungry. Need to protect the corruption,

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37677020
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,420
    unsung said:

    rgambs said:

    JimmyV said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    JC29856 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    unsung said:

    When your private position becomes public...


    image

    It almost sounds like she considers environmentalists to be a basket of deplorables.
    I wouldn't make too big a deal over it, just politics. She prob just saying that to get elected, once elected she will do the right thing.
    Now that's funny! Anything to justify her lying to get elected... Wonder what other issues she would "do the right thing on" if elected? She has flip flopped on gay marriage, does anyone really know her stance or what she considers "the right thing" on anything?
    JC is being sarcastic.

    The gay marriage example is silly. Just about every Democratic politician has changed their view on this issue over the past 20 years (including Sanders and Obama). And many Republicans have, in moderate districts.

    But broadly, I think it's a very strange world where politicians are criticized for changing positions. I want a politician that can learn, change and represent the majority will, presuming it does not infringe on the rights of others.
    I too want a politician that can learn and change, but I don't want a politician who just sticks their finger in the air to determine which way the wind is blowing. I do remain concerned that Hillary Clinton is just that.

    Isn't that pretty much what what politicians are elected to do? They are elected to serve the will of the people they represent, not their own will.
    This.

    They should be doing what the people want, not their own interests. Their interests can be purchased.

    That said, if a majority of the people wanted to ban something but it infringed on the Rights of the few then they need to protect the few. Doesn't matter what it is applied to.
    Seems we have some common ground
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    tonifig8 said:

    RT: NatWest to close Russian channel's UK bank accounts
    Hillary is thirsty for war with Russia. Democrats are war hungry. Need to protect the corruption,

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37677020

    What does this article have to do with HRC?
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    FBI tells State Dept it won't mark email unclassified and won't comment publicly. An hour later Clinton denies publicly having sent classified material .
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,673
    edited October 2016
    JC29856 said:

    FBI tells State Dept it won't mark email unclassified and won't comment publicly. An hour later Clinton denies publicly having sent classified material .

    It wasn't classified when she emailed it, was it?
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    PJ_Soul said:

    JC29856 said:

    FBI tells State Dept it won't mark email unclassified and won't comment publicly. An hour later Clinton denies publicly having sent classified material .

    It wasn't classified when she emailed it, was it?
    Lol... The important distinction is email vs document.
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,961
    I just want to share how I got a big grin on my face this morning while listening to the political discussion on TV. One of the analysts used the term "her presidency" while talking about the possible future. :grin: It brought up some great emotions...looking forward to the reality of it.

    Have a great week everyone and don't forget to be loving and lovable (she said while ducking). :)

    Falling down,...not staying down
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