Hillary won more votes for President

Free said:

Benjs - fact: Hillary degrades young female voters who are supporters of Sanders.
Fact: she laughs when Madeline Albright shame young women for not supporting Hillary. (see video I posted I believe in the trump thread)
Fact: All of this:

presidential forum in Iowa, Clinton fielded a question from a millennial who asked why people his age think she is dishonest. She responded that it’s a symptom of their cluelessness, as they are paying attention to politics for the first time.

In February, Clinton was confronted by a young black protester at a $500-a-plate fundraiser over her lack of apology for supporting mass incarceration and using the racist term “super-predator” in the 1990s. She responded by angrily changing the subject, and declined to apologize.

While campaigning in Minnesota in March, Clinton responded to a young black woman complaining about the lack of diversity in the Democratic Party with a lazy, dismissive, “Why don’t you go run for something?”

During an April Meet the Press interview, Clinton condescendingly told MSNBC’s Chuck Todd that she feels sorry for young people who believe the lies Sanders tells about her. She specifically denied claims made by Greenpeace that she took donations from the fossil fuel industry. However, an investigative report by David Sirota of International Business Times found Clinton accepted millions of dollars in campaign and Clinton Foundation donations from oil companies just a year before she approved the controversial Alberta-Clipper oil pipeline. One of Clinton’s top campaign contributors, Donald Sussman, founder and chairman of the hedge fund Paloma Partners, has invested in several oil companies.


I don't know what to tell you if you don't like these facts. But don't don't jump on my back because you don't like them. These things happened. The defensiveness for Clinton is unbelievable even when facts are right there in front of our faces.

To add on: I know it was op Ed. It contained some factual moments when Clinton on camera degraded and put down millenials, esp. women, for supporting Sanders, they accuse her of accepting Big Oil money (she does) etc. We all know this, it's old news. So when Clinton suddenly recently is making pleas for the younger vote? Perhaps she has short-term memory loss.

Let's start at the beginning.

Clinton degrades young female voters who are supporters of Sanders: evidence, or it isn't a fact by definition.

Madeleine Albright's "shaming": obviously a very tongue-in-cheek joke, magnitudes less offensive or directorial than anything that Trump has said (anecdotally, I ran it by my sister and mother to confirm), and what a human does with jokes, is to laugh. Given the public's opinion of a robotic Clinton, why wouldn't she laugh along with an entire crowd full of laughing faces?

The cluelessness and super-predators are clearly mis-paraphrased topics which I explicitly addressed in my response to you (again - if you read them).

The "why don't you go run for something" was said with venom, and I hold Clinton responsible for an inappropriate comment, but I also feel that as a human being, these sorts of slips are only natural from time to time - usually at times of immense pressure and/or frustration.

I'm opposed to Clinton's hesitance to address climate change issues and their leading causes in any meaningful way, so absolutely hold her accountable. But as one does, when I weigh her cumulative good against her cumulative bad, I feel that it makes more sense to try to exert social and political pressure on the various levels of government, as a way to better her fit as POTUS of a world with a serious climate change problem.

Please don't accuse me of jumping on your back when I'm clearly not. I'm responding to piss-poor journalism - even when I agree with some of the points stated. A jury presented with evidence of an unclear nature is likely to come to conclusions as though the evidence did not exist, and the prosecution's representation is absolutely at fault for that. In this case, the public is the jury, there are a litany of prosecutors, but if the Observer were my attorney, I'd have them fired for all of the reasons I've clearly stated: as in, without links to links to links to conclusions based on unsubstantiated points.

The one thing we can agree on - I also don't know what to tell you if you don't like these facts.

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Free said:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HtcO8ujQ5ig

She "feels sorry for stupid young people..." 1:10 mark

Wtf are you talking about? Did you watch the video?

Did I miss hearing and seeing the word "stupid" in that sentence? Was that word just invented?

PJ_Soul is on our side (the side of logic)! This was Free's post originally!

mrussel1 said:

benjs said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Free said:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HtcO8ujQ5ig

She "feels sorry for stupid young people..." 1:10 mark

Wtf are you talking about? Did you watch the video?

Did I miss hearing and seeing the word "stupid" in that sentence? Was that word just invented?

PJ_Soul is on our side (the side of logic)! This was Free's post originally!

Yes sir. I know. Just a quote gone bad.

My bad

Free said:

3rd Party, Russell. She probably won't win the Millenial vote so what are you going to do? Yell some more at Hillary's non-supporters? Do you think that will get them to vote for her?

Do you think yelling some more at Hillary supporters is going to change the outcome of the election?

Free said:

Polls.

But since some here love to follow them and believe in them, https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/when-will-millennials-start-liking-hillary-clinton/2016/09/22/4f2e0de8-80fb-11e6-a52d-9a865a0ed0d4_story.html?utm_term=.96350723df3a

See the article for details, This part especially entertaining.

...Clinton campaign explicitly advertised these events as an appeal to prodigal young voters.

The surrogate speeches haven’t always gone according to plan, though. Obama’s speech at George Mason University was at one point met with chants of “four more years”; her stumping apparently got the crowd pumped for the wrong politician.

George Mason University is a five minute drive from my house (the traffic on my drive home the day of Obama's visit was a nightmare).

I know for a fact that the Democratic Party is registering voters like crazy there, and has a very active Clinton apparatus on campus. Nice headline for a day, but we are not worried about the millenials at GMU.