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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    edited September 2016
    PJ_Soul said:

    Very effective campaign ad on Hillary's part. I think it more belongs in the Trump thread though.

    Hardly. No young woman forgets this:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QRimyfmz0MA
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,427
    ^^Yep. First it cost her the nomination. Now it's going to cost her women vote, and the presidency.
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    edited September 2016
    And to add onto that thought:

    Young people don't love being ignored, mocked, and lied to

    On the afternoon of September 19, Hillary Clinton gave a speech at Temple University in Philadelphia. This millennial-centered speech will be her only campaign appearance until the first presidential debate on September 26. Much like every other interaction with young people during her 2016 presidential campaign, it bombed miserably.

    In the scripted speech, she managed to say the phrase “income inequality” only once. Clinton also managed to avoid addressing the question of third party candidates, who many millennials support over her. Her best selling point as a presidential candidate remains that she isn’t Donald Trump.

    To further bolster her youth-cred, Clinton spoke about her decision to work for the Children’s Defense Fund instead of a big law firm, but in reality Clinton did not stay there long. According to Kathleen Geier in an essay featured in “False Choices: The Faux Feminism of Hillary Rodham Clinton”, Clinton left the Children’s Defense Fund less than a year later to work for Rose Law Firm, which boasted wealthy clientele such as Wal-Mart and Monsanto. “Though her campaign biography plays up the pro bono work she performed at Rose, the vast majority of her working hours were dedicated to her corporate clients,” writes Geier. Clinton even had the audacity to call herself an “activist” as first lady, after she served on the board of Wal-Mart for six years prior to Bill Clinton assuming office.

    The enthusiasm for Clinton’s Temple University speech was lethargic at best, perhaps because like every other time Clinton has spoken directly to millennials, she addresses them as children instead of people who can think for themselves. At the April 2007 convention of New York State Union of Teachers, Clinton revealed what she really thinks of young people. “I believe it is time we get back to teaching discipline, self-control, patience, punctuality,” she said. “The biggest complaint that I hear from employers is that young people who show up for jobs don’t have those habits. They don’t get there on time. They don’t know how to conduct themselves appropriately.”

    During the Democratic primaries, Clinton responded to millennials supporting Sen. Bernie Sanders (more than her and Trump) with a combination of condescension and frustration.

    At a January presidential forum in Iowa, Clinton fielded a question from a millennial who asked why people his age think she is dishonest. She responded that it’s a symptom of their cluelessness, as they are paying attention to politics for the first time.

    In February, Clinton was confronted by a young black protester at a $500-a-plate fundraiser over her lack of apology for supporting mass incarceration and using the racist term “super-predator” in the 1990s. She responded by angrily changing the subject, and declined to apologize.

    While campaigning in Minnesota in March, Clinton responded to a young black woman complaining about the lack of diversity in the Democratic Party with a lazy, dismissive, “Why don’t you go run for something?”

    During an April Meet the Press interview, Clinton condescendingly told MSNBC’s Chuck Todd that she feels sorry for young people who believe the lies Sanders tells about her. She specifically denied claims made by Greenpeace that she took donations from the fossil fuel industry. However, an investigative report by David Sirota of International Business Times found Clinton accepted millions of dollars in campaign and Clinton Foundation donations from oil companies just a year before she approved the controversial Alberta-Clipper oil pipeline. One of Clinton’s top campaign contributors, Donald Sussman, founder and chairman of the hedge fund Paloma Partners, has invested in several oil companies.

    Millennials believed the “lies” Sanders told about Clinton because they were true. Millennials don’t trust Clinton because she has repeatedly said one thing, and overtly done another. She claims to support campaign finance reform, yet has courted billionaires and millionaires from both political parties and managed to match Sanders in campaign contributions only through the use of SuperPACs.

    According to Vice News, through the end of July, Clinton has raised over $200 million from the top one percent of wealthiest Americans. After the Democratic National Convention, Clinton abandoned anything to do with Sanders’ policies, instead focusing on cultivating support from establishment Republicans, and billionaires including Warren Buffett and Mark Cuban. Now that her support has dropped in the polls following an embarrassing FBI report and Clinton Foundation pay-to-play schemes being exposed in emails, Clinton has resorted to pandering to millennials again. Too bad only 31 percent of them express support for her in recent polls, which is just a few points higher than for Trump. More than one third of millennials are expected to vote for either Green Party candidate Jill Stein or Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson.


    Clinton uses Sanders as a lifeline when she becomes desperate for young voters. The Vermont senator’s recent call for millennials not to vote for a third party received more positive news coverage in the mainstream media than Sanders got throughout his entire presidential campaign. But millennials realize that Sanders’ rhetoric is relatively insincere, and is part of a broader pandering project from the Clinton campaign to gain their support.

    Clinton’s contemptuous attitude about millennials, and their responding disinterest in her presidency, has provoked annoyance from her supporters in the media. Mother Jones editor in chief Clara Jeffery responded to recent polls with “I never hated millennials more.” Meanwhile Mother Jones writer Kevin Drum, in a poor attempt at damage control, wrote that resentment should instead be directed toward Sanders for his primary digs at Clinton. Somehow, nothing Hillary Clinton and her campaign did to alienate millennials could ever be her fault. There’s got to be some other reason for the widespread dislike American voters have for her candidacy.
    https://www.google.com/amp/observer.com/2016/09/scold-scare-insult-intimidate-clintons-millennial-outreach-flops/amp/?client=safari
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  • Free said:

    And to add onto that thought:

    Young people don't love being ignored, mocked, and lied to


    On the afternoon of September 19, Hillary Clinton gave a speech at Temple University in Philadelphia. This millennial-centered speech will be her only campaign appearance until the first presidential debate on September 26. Much like every other interaction with young people during her 2016 presidential campaign, it bombed miserably.

    In the scripted speech, she managed to say the phrase “income inequality” only once. Clinton also managed to avoid addressing the question of third party candidates, who many millennials support over her. Her best selling point as a presidential candidate remains that she isn’t Donald Trump.

    To further bolster her youth-cred, Clinton spoke about her decision to work for the Children’s Defense Fund instead of a big law firm, but in reality Clinton did not stay there long. According to Kathleen Geier in an essay featured in “False Choices: The Faux Feminism of Hillary Rodham Clinton”, Clinton left the Children’s Defense Fund less than a year later to work for Rose Law Firm, which boasted wealthy clientele such as Wal-Mart and Monsanto. “Though her campaign biography plays up the pro bono work she performed at Rose, the vast majority of her working hours were dedicated to her corporate clients,” writes Geier. Clinton even had the audacity to call herself an “activist” as first lady, after she served on the board of Wal-Mart for six years prior to Bill Clinton assuming office.

    The enthusiasm for Clinton’s Temple University speech was lethargic at best, perhaps because like every other time Clinton has spoken directly to millennials, she addresses them as children instead of people who can think for themselves. At the April 2007 convention of New York State Union of Teachers, Clinton revealed what she really thinks of young people. “I believe it is time we get back to teaching discipline, self-control, patience, punctuality,” she said. “The biggest complaint that I hear from employers is that young people who show up for jobs don’t have those habits. They don’t get there on time. They don’t know how to conduct themselves appropriately.”

    During the Democratic primaries, Clinton responded to millennials supporting Sen. Bernie Sanders (more than her and Trump) with a combination of condescension and frustration.

    At a January presidential forum in Iowa, Clinton fielded a question from a millennial who asked why people his age think she is dishonest. She responded that it’s a symptom of their cluelessness, as they are paying attention to politics for the first time.

    In February, Clinton was confronted by a young black protester at a $500-a-plate fundraiser over her lack of apology for supporting mass incarceration and using the racist term “super-predator” in the 1990s. She responded by angrily changing the subject, and declined to apologize.

    While campaigning in Minnesota in March, Clinton responded to a young black woman complaining about the lack of diversity in the Democratic Party with a lazy, dismissive, “Why don’t you go run for something?”

    During an April Meet the Press interview, Clinton condescendingly told MSNBC’s Chuck Todd that she feels sorry for young people who believe the lies Sanders tells about her. She specifically denied claims made by Greenpeace that she took donations from the fossil fuel industry. However, an investigative report by David Sirota of International Business Times found Clinton accepted millions of dollars in campaign and Clinton Foundation donations from oil companies just a year before she approved the controversial Alberta-Clipper oil pipeline. One of Clinton’s top campaign contributors, Donald Sussman, founder and chairman of the hedge fund Paloma Partners, has invested in several oil companies.

    Millennials believed the “lies” Sanders told about Clinton because they were true. Millennials don’t trust Clinton because she has repeatedly said one thing, and overtly done another. She claims to support campaign finance reform, yet has courted billionaires and millionaires from both political parties and managed to match Sanders in campaign contributions only through the use of SuperPACs.

    According to Vice News, through the end of July, Clinton has raised over $200 million from the top one percent of wealthiest Americans. After the Democratic National Convention, Clinton abandoned anything to do with Sanders’ policies, instead focusing on cultivating support from establishment Republicans, and billionaires including Warren Buffett and Mark Cuban. Now that her support has dropped in the polls following an embarrassing FBI report and Clinton Foundation pay-to-play schemes being exposed in emails, Clinton has resorted to pandering to millennials again. Too bad only 31 percent of them express support for her in recent polls, which is just a few points higher than for Trump. More than one third of millennials are expected to vote for either Green Party candidate Jill Stein or Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson.


    Clinton uses Sanders as a lifeline when she becomes desperate for young voters. The Vermont senator’s recent call for millennials not to vote for a third party received more positive news coverage in the mainstream media than Sanders got throughout his entire presidential campaign. But millennials realize that Sanders’ rhetoric is relatively insincere, and is part of a broader pandering project from the Clinton campaign to gain their support.

    Clinton’s contemptuous attitude about millennials, and their responding disinterest in her presidency, has provoked annoyance from her supporters in the media. Mother Jones editor in chief Clara Jeffery responded to recent polls with “I never hated millennials more.” Meanwhile Mother Jones writer Kevin Drum, in a poor attempt at damage control, wrote that resentment should instead be directed toward Sanders for his primary digs at Clinton. Somehow, nothing Hillary Clinton and her campaign did to alienate millennials could ever be her fault. There’s got to be some other reason for the widespread dislike American voters have for her candidacy.
    https://www.google.com/amp/observer.com/2016/09/scold-scare-insult-intimidate-clintons-millennial-outreach-flops/amp/?client=safari

    Those poor millenials. Oh, poor them, no one takes them seriously? Nobody's looking at them? Oh, life isn't like MTV's real world? Oh shit.

    If half of them can even get off the facebooking and gaming to fucking vote or look you in the eye and tell you what they really think? Now there's a force to be reckoned with, the most privelaged generation in human history whining about being condescended to. Hilarious.
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  • InHiding80InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623

    /\ it's also funny coming from the guy known to be quite unfaithful to his multiple wives.

    Just your typical republican "we're above the law and you're not" double standards.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576

    https://www.google.com/amp/observer.com/2016/09/scold-scare-insult-intimidate-clintons-millennial-outreach-flops/amp/?client=safari
    Those poor millenials. Oh, poor them, no one takes them seriously? Nobody's looking at them? Oh, life isn't like MTV's real world? Oh shit.

    If half of them can even get off the facebooking and gaming to fucking vote or look you in the eye and tell you what they really think? Now there's a force to be reckoned with, the most privelaged generation in human history whining about being condescended to. Hilarious.

    Hahaha so you say as you condescend them!
    But, no, they can't be right because social media.
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  • RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,187
    PJ_Soul said:

    I am actually one of the least emotional posters here, and I know that you won't find any posts where I verbally abuse someone. Whatever man, you are the one who said others are duped and then took offense when I said the same to you.

    If someone says Trump stands up for regular Americans and fights the 1%, while he is the 1% and has a proven track record of screwing over regular Americans, of course I'm going to suggest that this person isn't using his reasoning skills. It's not personal, I just call it like I see it.
    Yeah I'm just too soft for this amt stuff I guess :). I just like the guy mostly because I'd like to give someone else a chance other than a Clinton mostly. I tend to lean left/ moderate most of the time and don't agree with most conservative viewpoints but I just can't get behind Hillary.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    edited September 2016
    Kat said:

    So Trump wants to humiliate Secretary Clinton before the election. I'm sure women will love that and he'll end up being President Trump, right?

    It's Bill's mistresses and alleged rape victim who were humiliated and the question is how much did Hillary participate in that humiliation for the sake of her and Bill's political future. Millenials who may not have been aware of all this are waking up this morning and asking who is Juanita Broaddrick? Who is Gennifer Flowers? This isn't the 90's anymore. People rightful take the concepts of sexual abuse and the shaming of victims much more seriously now.


    "Hey fellas have you heard the news? Oh yeah.
    The women in this town are being misused. Oh yeah.
    Yeah I seen it all in my dreams last night. Oh yeah.
    Girls leaving this town 'cause they don't treat em right-a. Oh yeah.
    I'll take a train. (take a train)
    Fly by plane. (fly by plane)
    They're getting tired. (getting tired)
    Getting sick and tired. (sick and tired)"
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    PJ_Soul said:

    That's insane, of course there is a difference. One is about inviting Hillary's husband's ex-lovers just to rub her nose in that, whihc is not related to her candidacy at all. The other is about inviting a very public and politically outspoken figure often referenced as someone who may run for president himself someday and who has publicly endorsed Hillary, and probably donated to her campaign. It's ridiculous that you are trying to say the two are the same. The only reason Trump is bad about it is because Cuban abandoned him and his campaign and has spoken loudly about why he switched the Clinton. He can't handle being crossed. So his comeback is to say he'll invite someone Hillary's husband fucked???? And you think that's equal? Huh?

    It's equal because Cuban is being used as a troll with the blessing of the Clinton campaign. Clearly she needs her own reality tv star to level the playing field.
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    BS44325 said:

    It's Bill's mistresses and alleged rape victim who were humiliated and the question is how much did Hillary participate in that humiliation for the sake of her and Bill's political future. Millenials who may not have been aware of all this are waking up this morning and asking who is Juanita Broaddrick? Who is Gennifer Flowers? This isn't the 90's anymore. People rightful take the concepts of sexual abuse and the shaming of victims much more seriously now.


    "Hey fellas have you heard the news? Oh yeah.
    The women in this town are being misused. Oh yeah.
    Yeah I seen it all in my dreams last night. Oh yeah.
    Girls leaving this town 'cause they don't treat em right-a. Oh yeah.
    I'll take a train. (take a train)
    Fly by plane. (fly by plane)
    They're getting tired. (getting tired)
    Getting sick and tired. (sick and tired)"
    Applause!
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,427
    BS44325 said:

    It's Bill's mistresses and alleged rape victim who were humiliated and the question is how much did Hillary participate in that humiliation for the sake of her and Bill's political future. Millenials who may not have been aware of all this are waking up this morning and asking who is Juanita Broaddrick? Who is Gennifer Flowers? This isn't the 90's anymore. People rightful take the concepts of sexual abuse and the shaming of victims much more seriously now.


    "Hey fellas have you heard the news? Oh yeah.
    The women in this town are being misused. Oh yeah.
    Yeah I seen it all in my dreams last night. Oh yeah.
    Girls leaving this town 'cause they don't treat em right-a. Oh yeah.
    I'll take a train. (take a train)
    Fly by plane. (fly by plane)
    They're getting tired. (getting tired)
    Getting sick and tired. (sick and tired)"
    Well Pence said on Fox this morning that she isn't coming. He's the adult evidently. That move would have alienated women even more.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mrussel1 said:

    Well Pence said on Fox this morning that she isn't coming. He's the adult evidently. That move would have alienated women even more.
    I'll check my male privlege and admit that I have no idea what would alienate women even more but in terms of a strategic play Trump already won the news cycle on this one whether she is attendance or not. People are asking "who is Gennifer Flowers and Juanita Broaddrick?" so there is a reminder of past Clinton behaviour along with a cheapening of Cuban's overall stature. This is "small ball" meaningless stuff but I find it interesting on the tactical level.
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    573 new posts in here...Jesus.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,427
    BS44325 said:

    I'll check my male privlege and admit that I have no idea what would alienate women even more but in terms of a strategic play Trump already won the news cycle on this one whether she is attendance or not. People are asking "who is Gennifer Flowers and Juanita Broaddrick?" so there is a reminder of past Clinton behaviour along with a cheapening of Cuban's overall stature. This is "small ball" meaningless stuff but I find it interesting on the tactical level.
    No way. If it was a winning message, the campaign would keep it going until Monday rather than shutting it down now.... imho
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,229
    Free said:

    Hardly. No young woman forgets this:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QRimyfmz0MA
    Lol, there is nothing wrong with this at all, and it looks like that roomful of women in the video agree. It's kind of hilarious that anti-Hillary folks are referencing this as though people are supposed to be mad about such a harmless tongue in cheek comment. Perhaps it's above the heads of some?
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,229
    edited September 2016
    BS44325 said:

    It's equal because Cuban is being used as a troll with the blessing of the Clinton campaign. Clearly she needs her own reality tv star to level the playing field.
    He's not being used as a troll. Cuban is an influential person who apparently a lot of people listen to, and he is endorsing Clinton. He is a totally legitimate person for her to be "displaying" as a supporter. Like it or not, that invite is business as usual. The lady Bill Clinton had an affair with is obviously not a legit person to invite. Not in any way. Trump just happens to hate Cuban because he really wanted his endorsement himself and didn't get it, and because Cuban has told the world why he switched sides. Tough shit for Trump. He's obviously scared of Cuban's influence. I think it is actually really manipulative to try and turn Cuban into a "troll" and absolutely disgusting that Trump's reaction was to bring up Bill's old mistress and say he was going to invite her. That's Trump for you - downright dirty and disgusting. What a pig. It sure says a lot about his character.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,229
    mrussel1 said:

    Well Pence said on Fox this morning that she isn't coming. He's the adult evidently. That move would have alienated women even more.
    You bet it would have. As a woman I found the very suggestion offensive.
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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    PJ_Soul said:

    Lol, there is nothing wrong with this at all, and it looks like that roomful of women in the video agree. It's kind of hilarious that anti-Hillary folks are referencing this as though people are supposed to be mad about such a harmless tongue in cheek comment. Perhaps it's above the heads of some?

    "We can tell the story of how we climbed the ladder and a lot of you younger women don't think you don't have to, it's been done, it's not done. You have to help Hillary Clinton she has always been there for you and just remember: There's a special place in hell for Women who don't help each other." - a joke, nothing wrong with this at all, tongue-in-cheek comment. All the while being offended by a Pence comment. The bias is sickeningly obvious.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,229
    edited September 2016
    Free said:


    "We can tell the story of how we climbed the ladder and a lot of you younger women don't think you don't have to, it's been done, it's not done. You have to help Hillary Clinton she has always been there for you and just remember: There's a special place in hell for Women who don't help each other." - a joke, nothing wrong with this at all, tongue-in-cheek comment. All the while being offended by a Pence comment. The bias is sickeningly obvious.
    Not sure why you quoted what is in the video. I can hear.
    What Pence comment? I don't know what you're talking.
    No bias is needed to know that that Albright comment isn't offensive when you watch the video. And honestly, I think I am better qualified than you to know what is offensive to women.
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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    edited September 2016
    Nah, this isnt offensive either... Even when she's conveniently not mentioning the fossil fuel industry and accepting money from them.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HtcO8ujQ5ig
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    PJ_Soul said:

    Not sure why you quoted what is in the video. I can hear.
    What Pence comment? I don't know what you're talking.
    No bias is needed to know that that Albright comment isn't offensive when you watch the video. And honestly, I think I am better qualified than you to know what is offensive to women.
    What you fail to mention is that this is all of your opinion not a fact. How do you know I'm not a female, have I ever said I was a guy?
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,229
    Erm, no, it's not offensive. You know what the word offensive means, right?
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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    PJ_Soul said:

    Erm, no, it's not offensive. You know what the word offensive means, right?

    You know what the word opinion means right?
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,229
    Free said:

    What you fail to mention is that this is all of your opinion not a fact. How do you know I'm not a female, have I ever said I was a guy?
    Oh good lord, are we back to that again? I have to put "IMO" at the end of everything I say again?

    .... are you saying you're a woman???
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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    PJ_Soul said:

    Oh good lord, are we back to that again? I have to put "IMO" at the end of everything I say again?

    .... are you saying you're a woman???
    Just because you aren't offended doesn't mean everyone is isn't offended. How do you not understand that?
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,229
    Free said:

    Just because you aren't offended doesn't mean everyone is isn't offended. How do you not understand that?
    Did I say that? I said I am more qualified than you to judge what is or isn't offensive to women.
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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    PJ_Soul said:

    Did I say that? I said I am more qualified than you to judge what is or isn't offensive to women.
    No, you have no idea who I am, and everyone is qualified to judge what is offensive and not to them. Stop speaking for everyone.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    PJ_Soul said:

    He's not being used as a troll. Cuban is an influential person who apparently a lot of people listen to, and he is endorsing Clinton. He is a totally legitimate person for her to be "displaying" as a supporter. Like it or not, that invite is business as usual. The lady Bill Clinton had an affair with is obviously not a legit person to invite. Not in any way. Trump just happens to hate Cuban because he really wanted his endorsement himself and didn't get it, and because Cuban has told the world why he switched sides. Tough shit for Trump. He's obviously scared of Cuban's influence. I think it is actually really manipulative to try and turn Cuban into a "troll" and absolutely disgusting that Trump's reaction was to bring up Bill's old mistress and say he was going to invite her. That's Trump for you - downright dirty and disgusting. What a pig. It sure says a lot about his character.
    Nobody listens to Cuban just like nobody listened to Trump until he threw his hat into the ring. When Cuban runs as a democrat in 2020 maybe then people will pay attention. Right now he's just a troll.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    edited September 2016
    PJ_Soul said:

    You bet it would have. As a woman I found the very suggestion offensive.
    But your vote (even if you could vote) is an unwinnable one. You would excuse any previous Clinton victim shaming as long as your candidate wins. Trump is going after this generation of women who don't tolerate victim shaming even if it occurred in the past.
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