pipe bomb explodes at military race in new jersey and now a bomb explodes in nyc

brianlux said:

bootlegger10 said:

Go Beavers said:

bootlegger10 said:

benjs said:

Godfather. said:

does anybody here believe it was not radical muslims ?

Godfather.

So it's the act of an Islamic extremist. Then what? It's already been shown that the Islamic extremist actions which have transpired in the States have been from legal immigrants (often second-generation Americans, for that matter). Should they have their citizenship or landed immigrant statuses revoked? That's akin to collective punishment (i.e. the entirety of a group being penalized for the actions of an arguably corrupted <1% of the group), and with extrapolations like that, every single person in the US and Canada (and probably most of the world) should be shot dead for the actions of their peers, governments, and ancestors of both.

Once again, Godfather, you draw the line right at the point where it becomes inconvenient for you, with no respect for humans on the other side of that line and the suffering they will endure as a result of your stance. </p>

When the second generation can't assimilate there will be problems. Legal or illegal we need to make sure assimilation happens.

What's your definition of assimilation and how would you make sure it happens?

Have the means and opportunity to get jobs, treat women with respect, not blow up stuff. The basics.

That's a good, loose definition of "assimilation". It sure beats the heck out of, "Everybody wear the same clothes, listen to the same music, do the same kinds of things, lose your accent as much as possible", etc.

By your definition, the large majority of everyone living in this country right now have successfully assimilated. Generally only a very small fraction of immigrants have not assimilated according to your definition.

Oh, except the mentally ill and many veterans (so often those two things, understandably, go together), as well as misfits, half you rock and rollers, and the rebelious. Which all adds to a lot of people.

So what to do? I say, find that small percentage of non-assimilated immigrants, all those mentally ill people on the streets, non-assimilated vets, half the rockers, all the misfits and rebels and build a wall around them. Throw in some lions.

No? Then what?

PJPOWER said:

Degeneratefk said:

unsung said:

Degeneratefk said:

unsung said:

Just as long as you guys agree to do that at the next shooting and don't immediately call for ar15 bans.

That has nothing to do with waiting g for an investigation.

I waited. 20 year old Somali that asked the victims if they were Muslim prior to stabbing at least one. Shot dead by someone who was concealed carry. Hero. I'll be armed everywhere I go thankyouverymuch.

Ok, I thought this was a thread about the explosions in new York. If you need to bring up the stabbings in minnesota, that's fine, just has no relevance here. And it wasn't just a plain citizen with a concealed weapons permit. It was an off duty police officer. Makes a difference. Because my point about all of you CWP people is that when shit hits the fan, most of you would run and hide, not point and shoot.

Maybe if you were a CWP person, that is what you would do. Stop throwing the crowd into the pit based on your own inadequacies. I know many police officers and many non-police CWP holders that are more proficient and have more hours of tactical training than most of the officers that only try to meet the minimum training requirements(the majority I would say). I know, it may blow your mind that there are some civilians out there legitimately prepared and trained to protect themselves and others...To be perfectly honest, though, there is no shame in knowing your exits and being able to get yourself out of harms way. A CWP owner is under no obligation to save your life or go rushing into the fight. If you are worried about someone saving your life...that responsibility is your own.

lukin2006 said:

It doesn't matter if ISIS is directly involved, these are ISIS inspired attacks ...

mcgruff10 said:

are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

bootlegger10 said:

mcgruff10 said:

are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

I don't understand how people can be so brainwashed or whatever to not 99% know right away this was a terrorist act by someone of middle eastern descent. That doesn't mean that you think all middle eastern people are terrorist if you think that. It just means you are being realistic and not looking on with politically correct blinders.

bootlegger10 said:

mcgruff10 said:

are we still thinking this attack was by an ex boyfriend?

I don't understand how people can be so brainwashed or whatever to not 99% know right away this was a terrorist act by someone of middle eastern descent. That doesn't mean that you think all middle eastern people are terrorist if you think that. It just means you are being realistic and not looking on with politically correct blinders.