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HughFreakingDillon said:

BS44325 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

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mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

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mrussel1 said:

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fife said:

BS44325 said:

fife said:

BS44325 said:

fife said:

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Go Beavers said:

fife said:

sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?

BS44325 said:

fife said:

sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?

I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.

so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.

Yes

why?

Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.

can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.

I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.

I feel like you are trolling everyone here. You are not typically this unhinged in your comments.

I don't think this is unhinged. It is pretty consistent to how I have always been on here. I am explaining why people like myself will support Trump even if they typically do not like him.

Then everyone here is right and you are historically inaccurate with you comments about 'dangerous times'. Trump would have the most unsteady hand in the steadiest of times. I cannot think of any 20 year period in western history that is as peaceful as this one, without widespread conflict. Maybe that's a reason to support Trump but that doesn't make much sense. His lack of knowledge and curiousness about the world is only rivaled by the last Bush.

The public doesn't feel these are 'the steadiest of times". This is another reason why people fail to grasp his support. The Clinton campaign is trying to convince the public that everything is hunky dory which is a massive fail in terms of reading the electorate. Anybody who promotes these as the "steadiest of times" will lose the average voter.

You may be right but it's dangerously wrong. And anyone who knows better but promotes it for political for themselves, their party or the readers of a board are complicit with it. It's too bad Americans are fucking morons and don't know shit about history.

I disagree with your analysis and take the completely opposite position. My knowledge of history is quite good and in my opinion it is dangerously wrong to downplay how perilous these times are. Americans sense this and it is the morons who try to convince them otherwise.

Morons? Classy.

Look to the stats my friend. Most peaceful time in history. Violent crime is lower than ever. The fear mongering and the 24/7 news cycle of death has you brainwashed.

You should read the thread sir before commenting. "Morons" was mrussel1's word...I just quoted it back to him.

You didnt quote it. You used it yourself. believe me, ive read more of this thread than i care to admit. But thanks for the advice.

Read one post above mine. He used the word "moron"...it is right there for everyone to see.

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mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Trump could ride this all the way to the election

https://youtu.be/xUAZaPvhmAY

Yeah, that's a dynamite argument. All that's really missing is the Soviet Union music in the background. All of these people are fucking suckers. They didn't learn after hearing about Trump U. They didn't learn after hearing about him hiring illegals for his projects. They didn't learn after hearing about how he stiffs contractors. They are voting for a con man and charlatan.

Bunch of fucking suckers and parrots. My family will be fine whoever is elected. It's these fucking jabrones that will suffer when he doesn't do anything for anyone but himself. Suckers.

These "suckers" are aware of all these things. They have weighed it against the corruption and the arrogance of the Clinton's and Washington in general and have decided to throw their lot in with Trump. Your use of the term "suckers" and "parrots" continues to display the left's misunderstanding of the electorate and will only drive more "deplorables" to the polls. It will be Brexit all over again.

It's easy for a Canadian to preach this since you have far less to lose under a Trump presidency (all due respect to PJ Soul). Will people you know lose their healthcare? How about their right to choose? What about rolling back of CFPB provisions? What about gay marriage? How many of your neighbors in Ontario will be affected directly by a Trump presidency on the social front?

Please...all keep reading about is that if Trump wins a whole bunch of liberals will be moving up north! I got a ton to lose! Lena Dunham next door?! No thank you!

You're a funny guy usually, but I was making a serious point. You don't have anything to lose on these fronts, sitting up there in Canada.

I know you're making a serious point but I still disagree. Like it or not world security is maintained through American leadership. It has been so since the end of World War ll. My country and Western allies generally follow your lead. I have been pretty consistent on this point from the get go that the so called "peace" we live in is not guaranteed. When I look around the world I see American disengagement, allies shirking responsibilities and nefarious non-state and state actors filling the vacuums left behind. So I'm sorry but I feel who leads your country affects me as well.

Now on terms of the social issues front you are correct that none of that will affect me but personally I just think you are being overly concerned. Trump is probably the most liberal republican candidate to run for President in our lifetime. He will not roll back the right to choose or gay marriage rights. He might hate Obamacare but who in the US doesn't? It is an umitigated disaster. He just put forth a childcare/paid maternity leave policy that conservatives for the most part hate! Other then his immigration policy there is very little about him that could be considered far-right. This is why consolidation of conservatives have been such a challenge for him. Again I just don't see the man as an ideologue. Congress is far more to the right then he is but the democratic party has spent this whole campaign painting Paul Ryan as the reasonable one! The same Paul Ryan who four years ago was pushing granny off a cliff! Mark my words that should Trump becomes President it will actually be him who restrains the hard right impulses. The man required zero conservative dollars or backing to win the nomination and will not owe any favours to the conservative side of k street. There is a good chance that this will allow him to govern in a pleasantly surprising way.

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Trump could ride this all the way to the election

https://youtu.be/xUAZaPvhmAY

Yeah, that's a dynamite argument. All that's really missing is the Soviet Union music in the background. All of these people are fucking suckers. They didn't learn after hearing about Trump U. They didn't learn after hearing about him hiring illegals for his projects. They didn't learn after hearing about how he stiffs contractors. They are voting for a con man and charlatan.

Bunch of fucking suckers and parrots. My family will be fine whoever is elected. It's these fucking jabrones that will suffer when he doesn't do anything for anyone but himself. Suckers.

These "suckers" are aware of all these things. They have weighed it against the corruption and the arrogance of the Clinton's and Washington in general and have decided to throw their lot in with Trump. Your use of the term "suckers" and "parrots" continues to display the left's misunderstanding of the electorate and will only drive more "deplorables" to the polls. It will be Brexit all over again.

It's easy for a Canadian to preach this since you have far less to lose under a Trump presidency (all due respect to PJ Soul). Will people you know lose their healthcare? How about their right to choose? What about rolling back of CFPB provisions? What about gay marriage? How many of your neighbors in Ontario will be affected directly by a Trump presidency on the social front?

Please...all keep reading about is that if Trump wins a whole bunch of liberals will be moving up north! I got a ton to lose! Lena Dunham next door?! No thank you!

You're a funny guy usually, but I was making a serious point. You don't have anything to lose on these fronts, sitting up there in Canada.

I know you're making a serious point but I still disagree. Like it or not world security is maintained through American leadership. It has been so since the end of World War ll. My country and Western allies generally follow your lead. I have been pretty consistent on this point from the get go that the so called "peace" we live in is not guaranteed. When I look around the world I see American disengagement, allies shirking responsibilities and nefarious non-state and state actors filling the vacuums left behind. So I'm sorry but I feel who leads your country affects me as well.

Now on terms of the social issues front you are correct that none of that will affect me but personally I just think you are being overly concerned. Trump is probably the most liberal republican candidate to run for President in our lifetime. He will not roll back the right to choose or gay marriage rights. He might hate Obamacare but who in the US doesn't? It is an umitigated disaster. He just put forth a childcare/paid maternity leave policy that conservatives for the most part hate! Other then his immigration policy there is very little about him that could be considered far-right. This is why consolidation of conservatives have been such a challenge for him. Again I just don't see the man as an ideologue. Congress is far more to the right then he is but the democratic party has spent this whole campaign painting Paul Ryan as the reasonable one! The same Paul Ryan who four years ago was pushing granny off a cliff! Mark my words that should Trump becomes President it will actually be him who restrains the hard right impulses. The man required zero conservative dollars or backing to win the nomination and will not owe any favours to the conservative side of k street. There is a good chance that this will allow him to govern in a pleasantly surprising way.

Then was the SCOTUS list he released a giant pump fake? Did he lie to conservatives about his preferences on judges? Shall we expect Merrick Garland at the top?

Godfather. said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Trump could ride this all the way to the election

https://youtu.be/xUAZaPvhmAY

Yeah, that's a dynamite argument. All that's really missing is the Soviet Union music in the background. All of these people are fucking suckers. They didn't learn after hearing about Trump U. They didn't learn after hearing about him hiring illegals for his projects. They didn't learn after hearing about how he stiffs contractors. They are voting for a con man and charlatan.

Bunch of fucking suckers and parrots. My family will be fine whoever is elected. It's these fucking jabrones that will suffer when he doesn't do anything for anyone but himself. Suckers.

HAHAHHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHA ! the real "suckers" are the ones ready give up freedom for security...and a false sense of security at that, hillary is counting on the real suckers, you know the ones that are willing to vote for her despite all the controversy (proven and alleged) surrounding her since she and Bill entered politics.

Godfather.

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Trump could ride this all the way to the election

https://youtu.be/xUAZaPvhmAY

Yeah, that's a dynamite argument. All that's really missing is the Soviet Union music in the background. All of these people are fucking suckers. They didn't learn after hearing about Trump U. They didn't learn after hearing about him hiring illegals for his projects. They didn't learn after hearing about how he stiffs contractors. They are voting for a con man and charlatan.

Bunch of fucking suckers and parrots. My family will be fine whoever is elected. It's these fucking jabrones that will suffer when he doesn't do anything for anyone but himself. Suckers.

These "suckers" are aware of all these things. They have weighed it against the corruption and the arrogance of the Clinton's and Washington in general and have decided to throw their lot in with Trump. Your use of the term "suckers" and "parrots" continues to display the left's misunderstanding of the electorate and will only drive more "deplorables" to the polls. It will be Brexit all over again.

It's easy for a Canadian to preach this since you have far less to lose under a Trump presidency (all due respect to PJ Soul). Will people you know lose their healthcare? How about their right to choose? What about rolling back of CFPB provisions? What about gay marriage? How many of your neighbors in Ontario will be affected directly by a Trump presidency on the social front?

Please...all keep reading about is that if Trump wins a whole bunch of liberals will be moving up north! I got a ton to lose! Lena Dunham next door?! No thank you!

You're a funny guy usually, but I was making a serious point. You don't have anything to lose on these fronts, sitting up there in Canada.

I know you're making a serious point but I still disagree. Like it or not world security is maintained through American leadership. It has been so since the end of World War ll. My country and Western allies generally follow your lead. I have been pretty consistent on this point from the get go that the so called "peace" we live in is not guaranteed. When I look around the world I see American disengagement, allies shirking responsibilities and nefarious non-state and state actors filling the vacuums left behind. So I'm sorry but I feel who leads your country affects me as well.

Now on terms of the social issues front you are correct that none of that will affect me but personally I just think you are being overly concerned. Trump is probably the most liberal republican candidate to run for President in our lifetime. He will not roll back the right to choose or gay marriage rights. He might hate Obamacare but who in the US doesn't? It is an umitigated disaster. He just put forth a childcare/paid maternity leave policy that conservatives for the most part hate! Other then his immigration policy there is very little about him that could be considered far-right. This is why consolidation of conservatives have been such a challenge for him. Again I just don't see the man as an ideologue. Congress is far more to the right then he is but the democratic party has spent this whole campaign painting Paul Ryan as the reasonable one! The same Paul Ryan who four years ago was pushing granny off a cliff! Mark my words that should Trump becomes President it will actually be him who restrains the hard right impulses. The man required zero conservative dollars or backing to win the nomination and will not owe any favours to the conservative side of k street. There is a good chance that this will allow him to govern in a pleasantly surprising way.

Then was the SCOTUS list he released a giant pump fake? Did he lie to conservatives about his preferences on judges? Shall we expect Merrick Garland at the top?

No. I think the list is real and that he'll likely pick a judge off that list. That pick essentially replaces one conservative with another so the status quo on the bench will remain. The question is what happens if he gets a second pick.

There's probably three of them during this term. That's my point. Those are real stakes for those of us that live here.

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Trump could ride this all the way to the election

https://youtu.be/xUAZaPvhmAY

Yeah, that's a dynamite argument. All that's really missing is the Soviet Union music in the background. All of these people are fucking suckers. They didn't learn after hearing about Trump U. They didn't learn after hearing about him hiring illegals for his projects. They didn't learn after hearing about how he stiffs contractors. They are voting for a con man and charlatan.

Bunch of fucking suckers and parrots. My family will be fine whoever is elected. It's these fucking jabrones that will suffer when he doesn't do anything for anyone but himself. Suckers.

These "suckers" are aware of all these things. They have weighed it against the corruption and the arrogance of the Clinton's and Washington in general and have decided to throw their lot in with Trump. Your use of the term "suckers" and "parrots" continues to display the left's misunderstanding of the electorate and will only drive more "deplorables" to the polls. It will be Brexit all over again.

It's easy for a Canadian to preach this since you have far less to lose under a Trump presidency (all due respect to PJ Soul). Will people you know lose their healthcare? How about their right to choose? What about rolling back of CFPB provisions? What about gay marriage? How many of your neighbors in Ontario will be affected directly by a Trump presidency on the social front?

Please...all keep reading about is that if Trump wins a whole bunch of liberals will be moving up north! I got a ton to lose! Lena Dunham next door?! No thank you!

You're a funny guy usually, but I was making a serious point. You don't have anything to lose on these fronts, sitting up there in Canada.

I know you're making a serious point but I still disagree. Like it or not world security is maintained through American leadership. It has been so since the end of World War ll. My country and Western allies generally follow your lead. I have been pretty consistent on this point from the get go that the so called "peace" we live in is not guaranteed. When I look around the world I see American disengagement, allies shirking responsibilities and nefarious non-state and state actors filling the vacuums left behind. So I'm sorry but I feel who leads your country affects me as well.

Now on terms of the social issues front you are correct that none of that will affect me but personally I just think you are being overly concerned. Trump is probably the most liberal republican candidate to run for President in our lifetime. He will not roll back the right to choose or gay marriage rights. He might hate Obamacare but who in the US doesn't? It is an umitigated disaster. He just put forth a childcare/paid maternity leave policy that conservatives for the most part hate! Other then his immigration policy there is very little about him that could be considered far-right. This is why consolidation of conservatives have been such a challenge for him. Again I just don't see the man as an ideologue. Congress is far more to the right then he is but the democratic party has spent this whole campaign painting Paul Ryan as the reasonable one! The same Paul Ryan who four years ago was pushing granny off a cliff! Mark my words that should Trump becomes President it will actually be him who restrains the hard right impulses. The man required zero conservative dollars or backing to win the nomination and will not owe any favours to the conservative side of k street. There is a good chance that this will allow him to govern in a pleasantly surprising way.

Then was the SCOTUS list he released a giant pump fake? Did he lie to conservatives about his preferences on judges? Shall we expect Merrick Garland at the top?

No. I think the list is real and that he'll likely pick a judge off that list. That pick essentially replaces one conservative with another so the status quo on the bench will remain. The question is what happens if he gets a second pick.

There's probably three of them during this term. That's my point. Those are real stakes for those of us that live here.

Fair enough but in that case the actual candidate and/or their behaviour doesn't ever real matter to you. It's more about which candidate is more likely to nominate the justices you would prefer. That's a completely fair way to vote and lots of people do it but it makes the debate on character, temperament, etc pretty pointless.

Oh believe me, I dislike all that too. I was pointing out that down here, we have more than just foreign policy to think about.

Someone called you a neoconservative on the other page. Do you believe in a muscular, interventionist policy?

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

Trump could ride this all the way to the election

https://youtu.be/xUAZaPvhmAY

Yeah, that's a dynamite argument. All that's really missing is the Soviet Union music in the background. All of these people are fucking suckers. They didn't learn after hearing about Trump U. They didn't learn after hearing about him hiring illegals for his projects. They didn't learn after hearing about how he stiffs contractors. They are voting for a con man and charlatan.

Bunch of fucking suckers and parrots. My family will be fine whoever is elected. It's these fucking jabrones that will suffer when he doesn't do anything for anyone but himself. Suckers.

These "suckers" are aware of all these things. They have weighed it against the corruption and the arrogance of the Clinton's and Washington in general and have decided to throw their lot in with Trump. Your use of the term "suckers" and "parrots" continues to display the left's misunderstanding of the electorate and will only drive more "deplorables" to the polls. It will be Brexit all over again.

It's easy for a Canadian to preach this since you have far less to lose under a Trump presidency (all due respect to PJ Soul). Will people you know lose their healthcare? How about their right to choose? What about rolling back of CFPB provisions? What about gay marriage? How many of your neighbors in Ontario will be affected directly by a Trump presidency on the social front?

Please...all keep reading about is that if Trump wins a whole bunch of liberals will be moving up north! I got a ton to lose! Lena Dunham next door?! No thank you!

You're a funny guy usually, but I was making a serious point. You don't have anything to lose on these fronts, sitting up there in Canada.

I know you're making a serious point but I still disagree. Like it or not world security is maintained through American leadership. It has been so since the end of World War ll. My country and Western allies generally follow your lead. I have been pretty consistent on this point from the get go that the so called "peace" we live in is not guaranteed. When I look around the world I see American disengagement, allies shirking responsibilities and nefarious non-state and state actors filling the vacuums left behind. So I'm sorry but I feel who leads your country affects me as well.

Now on terms of the social issues front you are correct that none of that will affect me but personally I just think you are being overly concerned. Trump is probably the most liberal republican candidate to run for President in our lifetime. He will not roll back the right to choose or gay marriage rights. He might hate Obamacare but who in the US doesn't? It is an umitigated disaster. He just put forth a childcare/paid maternity leave policy that conservatives for the most part hate! Other then his immigration policy there is very little about him that could be considered far-right. This is why consolidation of conservatives have been such a challenge for him. Again I just don't see the man as an ideologue. Congress is far more to the right then he is but the democratic party has spent this whole campaign painting Paul Ryan as the reasonable one! The same Paul Ryan who four years ago was pushing granny off a cliff! Mark my words that should Trump becomes President it will actually be him who restrains the hard right impulses. The man required zero conservative dollars or backing to win the nomination and will not owe any favours to the conservative side of k street. There is a good chance that this will allow him to govern in a pleasantly surprising way.

Then was the SCOTUS list he released a giant pump fake? Did he lie to conservatives about his preferences on judges? Shall we expect Merrick Garland at the top?

No. I think the list is real and that he'll likely pick a judge off that list. That pick essentially replaces one conservative with another so the status quo on the bench will remain. The question is what happens if he gets a second pick.

There's probably three of them during this term. That's my point. Those are real stakes for those of us that live here.

Fair enough but in that case the actual candidate and/or their behaviour doesn't ever real matter to you. It's more about which candidate is more likely to nominate the justices you would prefer. That's a completely fair way to vote and lots of people do it but it makes the debate on character, temperament, etc pretty pointless.

Oh believe me, I dislike all that too. I was pointing out that down here, we have more than just foreign policy to think about.

Someone called you a neoconservative on the other page. Do you believe in a muscular, interventionist policy?