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Not looking for help. It is you who is missing the big picture.Go Beavers said:
If you can't see how they've been made villain of the year then I'm not sure I can help you out. Please highlight and define what the problem with illegals is. Start with what they cost vs. what they contribute in dollars. Then show me stats on the crime rate of illegals vs. the rest of the population. Then tell me why this suddenly became a problem now, but didn't get much play 4 and 8 years ago.BS44325 said:
People are not being manipulated and don't fear illegals. They are looking for a change policy to better the country.Go Beavers said:
People do see things as significantly better now than 8 years ago. Unfortunately, as you noted, a big enough group can be manipulated by fear. It's why illegals have been identified as the group to fear (with a dash of ISIS) this election. I remember the simpler times when it was single moms!BS44325 said:
The public doesn't feel these are 'the steadiest of times". This is another reason why people fail to grasp his support. The Clinton campaign is trying to convince the public that everything is hunky dory which is a massive fail in terms of reading the electorate. Anybody who promotes these as the "steadiest of times" will lose the average voter.mrussel1 said:
Then everyone here is right and you are historically inaccurate with you comments about 'dangerous times'. Trump would have the most unsteady hand in the steadiest of times. I cannot think of any 20 year period in western history that is as peaceful as this one, without widespread conflict. Maybe that's a reason to support Trump but that doesn't make much sense. His lack of knowledge and curiousness about the world is only rivaled by the last Bush.BS44325 said:
I don't think this is unhinged. It is pretty consistent to how I have always been on here. I am explaining why people like myself will support Trump even if they typically do not like him.mrussel1 said:
I feel like you are trolling everyone here. You are not typically this unhinged in your comments.BS44325 said:
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.fife said:
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.BS44325 said:
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.fife said:
why?BS44325 said:
Yesfife said:BS44325 said:
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.Go Beavers said:
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.fife said:sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.BS44325 said:
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.fife said:sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
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I think you meant North Korea. But maybe not.mrussel1 said:
None of the countries you pointed out create an existential threat to the United States or our allies, with the one exception of S. Korea (which I would argue is generally contained). Give me another period in the last thousand years where you can make such a statement.BS44325 said:
I disagree with your analysis and take the completely opposite position. My knowledge of history is quite good and in my opinion it is dangerously wrong to downplay how perilous these times are. Americans sense this and it is the morons who try to convince them otherwise.mrussel1 said:
You may be right but it's dangerously wrong. And anyone who knows better but promotes it for political for themselves, their party or the readers of a board are complicit with it. It's too bad Americans are fucking morons and don't know shit about history.BS44325 said:
The public doesn't feel these are 'the steadiest of times". This is another reason why people fail to grasp his support. The Clinton campaign is trying to convince the public that everything is hunky dory which is a massive fail in terms of reading the electorate. Anybody who promotes these as the "steadiest of times" will lose the average voter.mrussel1 said:
Then everyone here is right and you are historically inaccurate with you comments about 'dangerous times'. Trump would have the most unsteady hand in the steadiest of times. I cannot think of any 20 year period in western history that is as peaceful as this one, without widespread conflict. Maybe that's a reason to support Trump but that doesn't make much sense. His lack of knowledge and curiousness about the world is only rivaled by the last Bush.BS44325 said:
I don't think this is unhinged. It is pretty consistent to how I have always been on here. I am explaining why people like myself will support Trump even if they typically do not like him.mrussel1 said:
I feel like you are trolling everyone here. You are not typically this unhinged in your comments.BS44325 said:
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.fife said:
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.BS44325 said:
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.fife said:
why?BS44325 said:
Yesfife said:BS44325 said:
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.Go Beavers said:
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.fife said:sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.BS44325 said:
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.fife said:sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
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Thank you BS for showing us how prototypically paranoid we are supposed to be of other countries.
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Be afraid, be very, very afraid.BS44325 said:
Not looking for help. It is you who is missing the big picture.Go Beavers said:
If you can't see how they've been made villain of the year then I'm not sure I can help you out. Please highlight and define what the problem with illegals is. Start with what they cost vs. what they contribute in dollars. Then show me stats on the crime rate of illegals vs. the rest of the population. Then tell me why this suddenly became a problem now, but didn't get much play 4 and 8 years ago.BS44325 said:
People are not being manipulated and don't fear illegals. They are looking for a change policy to better the country.Go Beavers said:
People do see things as significantly better now than 8 years ago. Unfortunately, as you noted, a big enough group can be manipulated by fear. It's why illegals have been identified as the group to fear (with a dash of ISIS) this election. I remember the simpler times when it was single moms!BS44325 said:
The public doesn't feel these are 'the steadiest of times". This is another reason why people fail to grasp his support. The Clinton campaign is trying to convince the public that everything is hunky dory which is a massive fail in terms of reading the electorate. Anybody who promotes these as the "steadiest of times" will lose the average voter.mrussel1 said:
Then everyone here is right and you are historically inaccurate with you comments about 'dangerous times'. Trump would have the most unsteady hand in the steadiest of times. I cannot think of any 20 year period in western history that is as peaceful as this one, without widespread conflict. Maybe that's a reason to support Trump but that doesn't make much sense. His lack of knowledge and curiousness about the world is only rivaled by the last Bush.BS44325 said:
I don't think this is unhinged. It is pretty consistent to how I have always been on here. I am explaining why people like myself will support Trump even if they typically do not like him.mrussel1 said:
I feel like you are trolling everyone here. You are not typically this unhinged in your comments.BS44325 said:
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.fife said:
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.BS44325 said:
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.fife said:
why?BS44325 said:
Yesfife said:BS44325 said:
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.Go Beavers said:
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.fife said:sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.BS44325 said:
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.fife said:sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
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I''m looking for help. What is the big picture?BS44325 said:
Not looking for help. It is you who is missing the big picture.Go Beavers said:
If you can't see how they've been made villain of the year then I'm not sure I can help you out. Please highlight and define what the problem with illegals is. Start with what they cost vs. what they contribute in dollars. Then show me stats on the crime rate of illegals vs. the rest of the population. Then tell me why this suddenly became a problem now, but didn't get much play 4 and 8 years ago.BS44325 said:
People are not being manipulated and don't fear illegals. They are looking for a change policy to better the country.Go Beavers said:
People do see things as significantly better now than 8 years ago. Unfortunately, as you noted, a big enough group can be manipulated by fear. It's why illegals have been identified as the group to fear (with a dash of ISIS) this election. I remember the simpler times when it was single moms!BS44325 said:
The public doesn't feel these are 'the steadiest of times". This is another reason why people fail to grasp his support. The Clinton campaign is trying to convince the public that everything is hunky dory which is a massive fail in terms of reading the electorate. Anybody who promotes these as the "steadiest of times" will lose the average voter.mrussel1 said:
Then everyone here is right and you are historically inaccurate with you comments about 'dangerous times'. Trump would have the most unsteady hand in the steadiest of times. I cannot think of any 20 year period in western history that is as peaceful as this one, without widespread conflict. Maybe that's a reason to support Trump but that doesn't make much sense. His lack of knowledge and curiousness about the world is only rivaled by the last Bush.BS44325 said:
I don't think this is unhinged. It is pretty consistent to how I have always been on here. I am explaining why people like myself will support Trump even if they typically do not like him.mrussel1 said:
I feel like you are trolling everyone here. You are not typically this unhinged in your comments.BS44325 said:
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.fife said:
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.BS44325 said:
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.fife said:
why?BS44325 said:
Yesfife said:BS44325 said:
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.Go Beavers said:
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.fife said:sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.BS44325 said:
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.fife said:sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
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Fear is in denial. Courage exists amongst those who are willing to confront.Halifax2TheMax said:
Be afraid, be very, very afraid.BS44325 said:
Not looking for help. It is you who is missing the big picture.Go Beavers said:
If you can't see how they've been made villain of the year then I'm not sure I can help you out. Please highlight and define what the problem with illegals is. Start with what they cost vs. what they contribute in dollars. Then show me stats on the crime rate of illegals vs. the rest of the population. Then tell me why this suddenly became a problem now, but didn't get much play 4 and 8 years ago.BS44325 said:
People are not being manipulated and don't fear illegals. They are looking for a change policy to better the country.Go Beavers said:
People do see things as significantly better now than 8 years ago. Unfortunately, as you noted, a big enough group can be manipulated by fear. It's why illegals have been identified as the group to fear (with a dash of ISIS) this election. I remember the simpler times when it was single moms!BS44325 said:
The public doesn't feel these are 'the steadiest of times". This is another reason why people fail to grasp his support. The Clinton campaign is trying to convince the public that everything is hunky dory which is a massive fail in terms of reading the electorate. Anybody who promotes these as the "steadiest of times" will lose the average voter.mrussel1 said:
Then everyone here is right and you are historically inaccurate with you comments about 'dangerous times'. Trump would have the most unsteady hand in the steadiest of times. I cannot think of any 20 year period in western history that is as peaceful as this one, without widespread conflict. Maybe that's a reason to support Trump but that doesn't make much sense. His lack of knowledge and curiousness about the world is only rivaled by the last Bush.BS44325 said:
I don't think this is unhinged. It is pretty consistent to how I have always been on here. I am explaining why people like myself will support Trump even if they typically do not like him.mrussel1 said:
I feel like you are trolling everyone here. You are not typically this unhinged in your comments.BS44325 said:
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.fife said:
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.BS44325 said:
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.fife said:
why?BS44325 said:
Yesfife said:BS44325 said:
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.Go Beavers said:
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.fife said:sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.BS44325 said:
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.fife said:sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
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This "peace" is an illusion.Go Beavers said:
I''m looking for help. What is the big picture?BS44325 said:
Not looking for help. It is you who is missing the big picture.Go Beavers said:
If you can't see how they've been made villain of the year then I'm not sure I can help you out. Please highlight and define what the problem with illegals is. Start with what they cost vs. what they contribute in dollars. Then show me stats on the crime rate of illegals vs. the rest of the population. Then tell me why this suddenly became a problem now, but didn't get much play 4 and 8 years ago.BS44325 said:
People are not being manipulated and don't fear illegals. They are looking for a change policy to better the country.Go Beavers said:
People do see things as significantly better now than 8 years ago. Unfortunately, as you noted, a big enough group can be manipulated by fear. It's why illegals have been identified as the group to fear (with a dash of ISIS) this election. I remember the simpler times when it was single moms!BS44325 said:
The public doesn't feel these are 'the steadiest of times". This is another reason why people fail to grasp his support. The Clinton campaign is trying to convince the public that everything is hunky dory which is a massive fail in terms of reading the electorate. Anybody who promotes these as the "steadiest of times" will lose the average voter.mrussel1 said:
Then everyone here is right and you are historically inaccurate with you comments about 'dangerous times'. Trump would have the most unsteady hand in the steadiest of times. I cannot think of any 20 year period in western history that is as peaceful as this one, without widespread conflict. Maybe that's a reason to support Trump but that doesn't make much sense. His lack of knowledge and curiousness about the world is only rivaled by the last Bush.BS44325 said:
I don't think this is unhinged. It is pretty consistent to how I have always been on here. I am explaining why people like myself will support Trump even if they typically do not like him.mrussel1 said:
I feel like you are trolling everyone here. You are not typically this unhinged in your comments.BS44325 said:
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.fife said:
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.BS44325 said:
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.fife said:
why?BS44325 said:
Yesfife said:BS44325 said:
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.Go Beavers said:
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.fife said:sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.BS44325 said:
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.fife said:sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
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Now begins the mobius loop of logic and word play.BS44325 said:
Fear is in denial. Courage exists amongst those who are willing to confront.Halifax2TheMax said:
Be afraid, be very, very afraid.BS44325 said:
Not looking for help. It is you who is missing the big picture.Go Beavers said:
If you can't see how they've been made villain of the year then I'm not sure I can help you out. Please highlight and define what the problem with illegals is. Start with what they cost vs. what they contribute in dollars. Then show me stats on the crime rate of illegals vs. the rest of the population. Then tell me why this suddenly became a problem now, but didn't get much play 4 and 8 years ago.BS44325 said:
People are not being manipulated and don't fear illegals. They are looking for a change policy to better the country.Go Beavers said:
People do see things as significantly better now than 8 years ago. Unfortunately, as you noted, a big enough group can be manipulated by fear. It's why illegals have been identified as the group to fear (with a dash of ISIS) this election. I remember the simpler times when it was single moms!BS44325 said:
The public doesn't feel these are 'the steadiest of times". This is another reason why people fail to grasp his support. The Clinton campaign is trying to convince the public that everything is hunky dory which is a massive fail in terms of reading the electorate. Anybody who promotes these as the "steadiest of times" will lose the average voter.mrussel1 said:
Then everyone here is right and you are historically inaccurate with you comments about 'dangerous times'. Trump would have the most unsteady hand in the steadiest of times. I cannot think of any 20 year period in western history that is as peaceful as this one, without widespread conflict. Maybe that's a reason to support Trump but that doesn't make much sense. His lack of knowledge and curiousness about the world is only rivaled by the last Bush.BS44325 said:
I don't think this is unhinged. It is pretty consistent to how I have always been on here. I am explaining why people like myself will support Trump even if they typically do not like him.mrussel1 said:
I feel like you are trolling everyone here. You are not typically this unhinged in your comments.BS44325 said:
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.fife said:
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.BS44325 said:
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.fife said:
why?BS44325 said:
Yesfife said:BS44325 said:
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.Go Beavers said:
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.fife said:sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.BS44325 said:
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.fife said:sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
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It is ok if you would rather live in the matrix but nobody should accuse those who want to leave it to be living in fear.Go Beavers said:
Now begins the mobius loop of logic and word play.BS44325 said:
Fear is in denial. Courage exists amongst those who are willing to confront.Halifax2TheMax said:
Be afraid, be very, very afraid.BS44325 said:
Not looking for help. It is you who is missing the big picture.Go Beavers said:
If you can't see how they've been made villain of the year then I'm not sure I can help you out. Please highlight and define what the problem with illegals is. Start with what they cost vs. what they contribute in dollars. Then show me stats on the crime rate of illegals vs. the rest of the population. Then tell me why this suddenly became a problem now, but didn't get much play 4 and 8 years ago.BS44325 said:
People are not being manipulated and don't fear illegals. They are looking for a change policy to better the country.Go Beavers said:
People do see things as significantly better now than 8 years ago. Unfortunately, as you noted, a big enough group can be manipulated by fear. It's why illegals have been identified as the group to fear (with a dash of ISIS) this election. I remember the simpler times when it was single moms!BS44325 said:
The public doesn't feel these are 'the steadiest of times". This is another reason why people fail to grasp his support. The Clinton campaign is trying to convince the public that everything is hunky dory which is a massive fail in terms of reading the electorate. Anybody who promotes these as the "steadiest of times" will lose the average voter.mrussel1 said:
Then everyone here is right and you are historically inaccurate with you comments about 'dangerous times'. Trump would have the most unsteady hand in the steadiest of times. I cannot think of any 20 year period in western history that is as peaceful as this one, without widespread conflict. Maybe that's a reason to support Trump but that doesn't make much sense. His lack of knowledge and curiousness about the world is only rivaled by the last Bush.BS44325 said:
I don't think this is unhinged. It is pretty consistent to how I have always been on here. I am explaining why people like myself will support Trump even if they typically do not like him.mrussel1 said:
I feel like you are trolling everyone here. You are not typically this unhinged in your comments.BS44325 said:
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.fife said:
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.BS44325 said:
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.fife said:
why?BS44325 said:
Yesfife said:BS44325 said:
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.Go Beavers said:
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.fife said:sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.BS44325 said:
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.fife said:sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
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Give Putin bee jobs.fife said:Would you like to see trump do inthese dangerous time that would make you feel better?
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I'm saying S. Korea potentially faces an existential threat from N. Korea.BS44325 said:
I think you meant North Korea. But maybe not.mrussel1 said:
None of the countries you pointed out create an existential threat to the United States or our allies, with the one exception of S. Korea (which I would argue is generally contained). Give me another period in the last thousand years where you can make such a statement.BS44325 said:
I disagree with your analysis and take the completely opposite position. My knowledge of history is quite good and in my opinion it is dangerously wrong to downplay how perilous these times are. Americans sense this and it is the morons who try to convince them otherwise.mrussel1 said:
You may be right but it's dangerously wrong. And anyone who knows better but promotes it for political for themselves, their party or the readers of a board are complicit with it. It's too bad Americans are fucking morons and don't know shit about history.BS44325 said:
The public doesn't feel these are 'the steadiest of times". This is another reason why people fail to grasp his support. The Clinton campaign is trying to convince the public that everything is hunky dory which is a massive fail in terms of reading the electorate. Anybody who promotes these as the "steadiest of times" will lose the average voter.mrussel1 said:
Then everyone here is right and you are historically inaccurate with you comments about 'dangerous times'. Trump would have the most unsteady hand in the steadiest of times. I cannot think of any 20 year period in western history that is as peaceful as this one, without widespread conflict. Maybe that's a reason to support Trump but that doesn't make much sense. His lack of knowledge and curiousness about the world is only rivaled by the last Bush.BS44325 said:
I don't think this is unhinged. It is pretty consistent to how I have always been on here. I am explaining why people like myself will support Trump even if they typically do not like him.mrussel1 said:
I feel like you are trolling everyone here. You are not typically this unhinged in your comments.BS44325 said:
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.fife said:
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.BS44325 said:
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.fife said:
why?BS44325 said:
Yesfife said:BS44325 said:
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.Go Beavers said:
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.fife said:sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.BS44325 said:
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.fife said:sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
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So you'll be giving direct answers to these questions?BS44325 said:
It is ok if you would rather live in the matrix but nobody should accuse those who want to leave it to be living in fear.Go Beavers said:
Now begins the mobius loop of logic and word play.BS44325 said:
Fear is in denial. Courage exists amongst those who are willing to confront.Halifax2TheMax said:
Be afraid, be very, very afraid.BS44325 said:
Not looking for help. It is you who is missing the big picture.Go Beavers said:
If you can't see how they've been made villain of the year then I'm not sure I can help you out. Please highlight and define what the problem with illegals is. Start with what they cost vs. what they contribute in dollars. Then show me stats on the crime rate of illegals vs. the rest of the population. Then tell me why this suddenly became a problem now, but didn't get much play 4 and 8 years ago.BS44325 said:
People are not being manipulated and don't fear illegals. They are looking for a change policy to better the country.Go Beavers said:
People do see things as significantly better now than 8 years ago. Unfortunately, as you noted, a big enough group can be manipulated by fear. It's why illegals have been identified as the group to fear (with a dash of ISIS) this election. I remember the simpler times when it was single moms!BS44325 said:
The public doesn't feel these are 'the steadiest of times". This is another reason why people fail to grasp his support. The Clinton campaign is trying to convince the public that everything is hunky dory which is a massive fail in terms of reading the electorate. Anybody who promotes these as the "steadiest of times" will lose the average voter.mrussel1 said:
Then everyone here is right and you are historically inaccurate with you comments about 'dangerous times'. Trump would have the most unsteady hand in the steadiest of times. I cannot think of any 20 year period in western history that is as peaceful as this one, without widespread conflict. Maybe that's a reason to support Trump but that doesn't make much sense. His lack of knowledge and curiousness about the world is only rivaled by the last Bush.BS44325 said:
I don't think this is unhinged. It is pretty consistent to how I have always been on here. I am explaining why people like myself will support Trump even if they typically do not like him.mrussel1 said:
I feel like you are trolling everyone here. You are not typically this unhinged in your comments.BS44325 said:
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.fife said:
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.BS44325 said:
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.fife said:
why?BS44325 said:
Yesfife said:BS44325 said:
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.Go Beavers said:
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.fife said:sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.BS44325 said:
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.fife said:sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
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No. Not worth my time. More concerned about things like this.Go Beavers said:
So you'll be giving direct answers to these questions?BS44325 said:
It is ok if you would rather live in the matrix but nobody should accuse those who want to leave it to be living in fear.Go Beavers said:
Now begins the mobius loop of logic and word play.BS44325 said:
Fear is in denial. Courage exists amongst those who are willing to confront.Halifax2TheMax said:
Be afraid, be very, very afraid.BS44325 said:
Not looking for help. It is you who is missing the big picture.Go Beavers said:
If you can't see how they've been made villain of the year then I'm not sure I can help you out. Please highlight and define what the problem with illegals is. Start with what they cost vs. what they contribute in dollars. Then show me stats on the crime rate of illegals vs. the rest of the population. Then tell me why this suddenly became a problem now, but didn't get much play 4 and 8 years ago.BS44325 said:
People are not being manipulated and don't fear illegals. They are looking for a change policy to better the country.Go Beavers said:
People do see things as significantly better now than 8 years ago. Unfortunately, as you noted, a big enough group can be manipulated by fear. It's why illegals have been identified as the group to fear (with a dash of ISIS) this election. I remember the simpler times when it was single moms!BS44325 said:
The public doesn't feel these are 'the steadiest of times". This is another reason why people fail to grasp his support. The Clinton campaign is trying to convince the public that everything is hunky dory which is a massive fail in terms of reading the electorate. Anybody who promotes these as the "steadiest of times" will lose the average voter.mrussel1 said:
Then everyone here is right and you are historically inaccurate with you comments about 'dangerous times'. Trump would have the most unsteady hand in the steadiest of times. I cannot think of any 20 year period in western history that is as peaceful as this one, without widespread conflict. Maybe that's a reason to support Trump but that doesn't make much sense. His lack of knowledge and curiousness about the world is only rivaled by the last Bush.BS44325 said:
I don't think this is unhinged. It is pretty consistent to how I have always been on here. I am explaining why people like myself will support Trump even if they typically do not like him.mrussel1 said:
I feel like you are trolling everyone here. You are not typically this unhinged in your comments.BS44325 said:
I am not sure a steady hand is what you want. A steady hand is what you want when you are sailing through a storm. The problem with that analogy is that most of the time the storm will pass so all you need to do is stay afloat. This storm ain't passing. Risks will need to be taken.fife said:
can i asked what upside you see with Trump? in "dangerous time" you want a steady hand and I don't see Trump as a steady hand but that is me.BS44325 said:
Because we live in dangerous times and we are faced with a binary choice for these times. In my eyes Clinton is corrupt, incompetent and worst of all compromised. I see no upside in her election. Trump ticks me off equally in a whole number of ways but with him I see at least the possibility of upside. A fool's hope maybe but a no brainer when compared to the alternative.fife said:
why?BS44325 said:
Yesfife said:BS44325 said:
It is the "ignorance" label that will lead to a Clinton loss.Go Beavers said:
A lot of Trump supporters are blinded by fear and ignorance so that they see him as a good alternative when they mix in magical thinking about his policies. There was an example the other day from Godfather where is was pointed out how Trumps policies would increase the deficit. He basically just said that his economic plan wouldn't really do that. Despite evidence against it. When Trump says crazy lies and unrealistic proposals, they say 'well he just speaks his mind', and that the crazy stuff won't manifest into some form of reality.fife said:sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
so are you willing to take the chance that he will be a good president while knowing that no matter what he is going to be the president for 4 years.BS44325 said:
I don't think people on here think he will be a "good" president. This is where the misunderstanding of his support lies. People think the world is facing serious problems. These same people think that a Clinton will only result in more of the same. Trump is the risky change agent. He could be terrible but at least there is a possibility of "good" compared to the alternative which has already been judged to be a continuation of the status quo.fife said:sorry i have been away from here for a while and have tried to read everything posted but honestly, do people here really believe that Donald Trump would be a good president or are people just trying to have some fun?
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Don't forget to bring snacks.brianlux said:
Yes! Especially GUNS!! Lots and lots of GUNS, BEER, AMMO!Halifax2TheMax said:Buy gold, stock up on canned goods and arm yourselves.
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