Hillary won more votes for President

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  • Free said:
    Well, they're not the Koch brothers, Sheldon Adelson, et. al.

    What exactly do you have to say about it? Do you have a question for Hillary?
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  • In case you're keeping score:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trump-wants-you-to-trust-him-blindly/2016/09/06/fa370832-745a-11e6-be4f-3f42f2e5a49e_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-d:homepage/story&utm_term=.13f23f4b9fca

    The potential for such conflict is a big reason it’s routine for nominees to release their returns. Hillary Clinton has released almost 40 years’ worth, Tim Kaine has released 10 and Mike Pence said he’ll release his this week.

    When Trump says nobody cares about the release of his tax returns, he’s forgetting a long list of Republicans — including Rep. Jason Chaffetz of Utah, chairman of the main House investigative panel. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, Sens. John Barasso, Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and Reps. Sean Duffy and Mark Sanford have called for Trump to disclose. Mitt Romney, the last Republican nominee, called Trump’s refusal “disqualifying” and speculated that the returns could contain a “bombshell.”
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  • And there's this to consider:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/09/06/why-hillary-clintons-perceived-corruption-seems-to-echo-louder-than-donald-trumps-actual-corruption/?hpid=hp_hp-cards_hp-card-posteverything:homepage/card&utm_term=.90dea5c8a733

    The second small reason is that at this point it’s just easier to report on the Clinton than on Trump. Clinton has made it easy for the press to cover these things as the emails have been released. Trump, on the other hand, is a model of opacity, requiring reporters like Fahrenthold to have to do real shoe-leather reporting to find anything. On their personal finances, Clinton has been transparent, and Trump has been the opposite of that. Paradoxically, Clinton’s relative transparency has made it easier to discover even the slightest possible appearance of impropriety.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,681
    edited September 2016
    Free said:
    What would you like people to say? Are you surprised that the Clintons hang out with the ultra rich? Are you surprised that just about any politician would do the same if they could, especially during election campaigns? I thought this was common knowledge. That is the regular state of American politics, and has been for years and years and years and years and years. What in the hell are we supposed to say about it, beside "it's not a good state for American politics." Well, no shit. The only way out of the current state of American politics, IMO, is WWIII or a massive revolution. The 2016 election isn't going to have any impact at all on such issues..... Though if Trump wins he just might start WWIII.
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  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited September 2016
    God, it's like preaching to the choir. Some of you will NEVER look at her shady deals and call her out. It's like you're... Dare I say it? ...paid to say nothing against the candidate only campaigning with the super rich.

    Look at yourselves.

    ...and calling you out on it constantly isn't enough. Where's the faceplant emoticon.
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  • Free said:

    God, it's like preaching to the choir. Some of you will NEVER look at her shady deals and call her out. It's like you're... Dare I say it? ...paid to say nothing against the candidate only campaigning with the super rich.

    Look at yourselves.

    ...and calling you out on it constantly isn't enough. Where's the faceplant emoticon.

    Do you understand that many of the Clinton voters don't care? Not because they're apologist, but because the alternative is far worse? Does that ever cross your mind?
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  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    edited September 2016
    Great. Apathetic voters. Just what this country needs more of. AND voting out of fear. Yay.
  • Free said:

    God, it's like preaching to the choir. Some of you will NEVER look at her shady deals and call her out. It's like you're... Dare I say it? ...paid to say nothing against the candidate only campaigning with the super rich.

    Look at yourselves.

    ...and calling you out on it constantly isn't enough. Where's the faceplant emoticon.

    Yea, because releasing almost 40 years of tax returns is, well, "shady."

    Do you have a question for Hillary?
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  • hedonist
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    Free said:

    God, it's like preaching to the choir. Some of you will NEVER look at her shady deals and call her out. It's like you're... Dare I say it? ...paid to say nothing against the candidate only campaigning with the super rich.

    Look at yourselves.

    ...and calling you out on it constantly isn't enough. Where's the faceplant emoticon.

    Preaching to the choir? Funny you see yourself in the role of preacher; it seems somewhat fitting.

    ...though I thought the term "preaching to the choir" had a different meaning than as used up there.

    Either way, maybe lighten up some with the condescending scolding already and please, for the love of all that's good, get over this savior complex. It makes for more constructive discussion all around (assuming that's the desired outcome; if not, continue to have at it).

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,681
    edited September 2016
    Free said:

    God, it's like preaching to the choir. Some of you will NEVER look at her shady deals and call her out. It's like you're... Dare I say it? ...paid to say nothing against the candidate only campaigning with the super rich.

    Look at yourselves.

    ...and calling you out on it constantly isn't enough. Where's the faceplant emoticon.

    Dude, what is wrong with you? What in the hell is "calling her out" going to do? Do you think you're actually doing something useful here on these boards?? WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU WANT US TO SAY?? That hasn't already been said, that is.
    And seriously, are you really now suggesting that you think maybe someone of us are paid to post here? Like for real? I thought you were jsut kidding before. :lol: Just the fact that it's crossed your mind speak volumes. I think you need to get a grip.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    JC29856 said:
    "...the reality that her supporters just aren’t as engaged and aggressive online as are her detractors inside and outside the Democratic Party."

    No surprise there, right?
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,681
    edited September 2016
    Nobody's supporters are as engaged and aggressive as their detractors online. This is as true for anything else as it is for politicians. That's the Internet, lol. ;)
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  • brianlux
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    PJ_Soul said:

    Nobody's supporters are as engaged and aggressive as their detractors online. This is as true for anything else as it is for politicians. That's the Internet, lol. ;)

    Tell that to Eddie Vedder! :lol:
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,681
    brianlux said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Nobody's supporters are as engaged and aggressive as their detractors online. This is as true for anything else as it is for politicians. That's the Internet, lol. ;)

    Tell that to Eddie Vedder! :lol:
    His detractors are all over on the Phish and Foo Fighters boards. :lol:
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  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    brianlux said:

    JC29856 said:
    "...the reality that her supporters just aren’t as engaged and aggressive online as are her detractors inside and outside the Democratic Party."

    No surprise there, right?
    :lol: Not at all!
  • seanwon
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    JC29856 said:
    Wouldn't shock me. I'm relatively new to posting in the forums, but I've read them for a long time. I've noticed there are some users who only post in the AMT forum about things of political nature. No posts about Pearl Jam, or concerts they have been to, or the music. Nothing. Seems strange if someone is such a fan of the band they joined the Fan Club, yet never mention the band or share any memories or stories from shows, or opinions about the music.

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,681
    edited September 2016
    Hell, in that case, maybe Trump is paying Free. =)
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  • dignin
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    seanwon said:

    JC29856 said:
    Wouldn't shock me. I'm relatively new to posting in the forums, but I've read them for a long time. I've noticed there are some users who only post in the AMT forum about things of political nature. No posts about Pearl Jam, or concerts they have been to, or the music. Nothing. Seems strange if someone is such a fan of the band they joined the Fan Club, yet never mention the band or share any memories or stories from shows, or opinions about the music.

    Meh, I don't post over in other forums very much. My sun doesn't rise and set on all things Pearl Jam and most other forums are a bore. I only have the time for AMT.

    Maybe some of us are just political junkies, I know I am.
  • dignin said:

    seanwon said:

    JC29856 said:
    Wouldn't shock me. I'm relatively new to posting in the forums, but I've read them for a long time. I've noticed there are some users who only post in the AMT forum about things of political nature. No posts about Pearl Jam, or concerts they have been to, or the music. Nothing. Seems strange if someone is such a fan of the band they joined the Fan Club, yet never mention the band or share any memories or stories from shows, or opinions about the music.

    Meh, I don't post over in other forums very much. My sun doesn't rise and set on all things Pearl Jam and most other forums are a bore. I only have the time for AMT.

    Maybe some of us are just political junkies, I know I am.
    It's very clear in big bold font the category that AMT falls under is NON PEARL JAM DISCUSSION.
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