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OK, Fair enough. My concern =centered on the next to last lines. Specificaly " within historical norms" . Initially my gut reaction was keep america white. But slowly I am learning to really look at the words chosen without running through my emotional filter first. Becasue I really think he plays off peoples emotions about topics rather than rational thought and critical thinking about a subject.mrussel1 said:_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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That's interesting. That's a very articulate statement and not one that Trump would ever normally say. I think it is too nuanced for his fans to be honest.mickeyrat said:0 -
Do you think your initial gut reaction was incorrect?0
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Yes my gut for sure fuck Trump !jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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I took it when he said "within historical norms" to reference numbers of immigrants and not where they came from. The sentences immediately before he references immigration as a share of national population breaking records.mickeyrat said:0 -
measured by population share.....bootlegger10 said:_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
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My read as well. I doubt it was a% of the population as that number would be higher.bootlegger10 said:0 -
The leader of the gop is in a Twitter pissing match with the leader of a foreign country and our ally. Diplomacy at work my friends, believe me."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Lol!josevolution said:Yes my gut for sure fuck Trump !
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Even if trump gets the white house, there is no way in fucking hell any wall is getting built. I would seriously bet my house on that.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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This is fantastic information, thanks so much for the thorough explanation mrussell! It's frustrating to hear that corporate structures are even allowed to be designed in ways such that if and when they fall, the people on the top are practically unaffected, and stakeholders and employees are left to suffer. How scrutinized are restructuring plans when corporations require bailout money? Should a prerequisite of taking government assistance not be preventative measures to truly hold those on top accountable for their actions? From what you've said, it really does sound like the bailouts are with merit, but it concerns me that they can simply make the same mistakes, and expect the precedent of government assistance - ultimately still at the expense of the taxpayers.mrussel1 said:
So I supported both bailouts. The reason I supported GM was because of all the people that were employed or connected to GM through the supply chain (truck drivers, parts makers, dealerships, etc.). The resulting unemployment, particularly in the Midwest, would have been fairly substantial and worsened an already sick economy. So the government bought preferred shares of GM (rather than just loaning $, creating more debt for them) and GM recovered. Now we taxpayers lost probably 10 billion on that deal after the government sold its shares, but that's far less than it probably would have paid in unemployment, lost taxes (personal and business), lower GDP, etc. So in all, I think it was a wise thing to do. And think of how many families that the small 10 billion investment saved.
TARP - this is the one people had a bigger problem with, but to me it was essentially the same concept, but the ramifications would have been far worse. Regardless of whose fault it was (that's a whole different discussion), the reality is that Bank provide two essential services in this country. First, they provide not only loans for cars, homes, etc, but they provide essential small business loans that are used to keep these companies afloat through payroll, through slow pay of clients etc. Second, the top six banks in the US employ 800K people. 98% of these people are just like you and me. They are middle class, and earn between 40 and 100k per year. If these banks had failed, how many middle class families would have suffered the same fate as GM families? Untold amounts, particularly since it wasn't the Chase and Citi's that really needed TARP, it was all the regional and second tier banks. And if the gov't let them fail, would the Jamie Dimon (Chase) or Ken Lewis (BAC) be hurt? Hell no. They are ungodly rich already. Letting the banks fail hurts middle class employees, not the C class.
And then you let the banks fail. Then what? Then the credit market tightens because there is more competition for %, so interest rates raise. Who gets hurt there? Consumers and small business's that can't afford the double digit rates. So small businesses close because they can't float their receivable, or can't pay employees. It's a reverberating effect.
And what was the final cost of TARP? Officially the taxpayers made about 15 billion but I suspect it was an even trade because of value of the dollar and inflation. Either way, both investments were wise to me. They were not pure capitalistic, but in many ways humanitarian.
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580 miles have already been completed (thanks, O'bummer)HughFreakingDillon said:Even if trump gets the white house, there is no way in fucking hell any wall is getting built. I would seriously bet my house on that.
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487No need to argue with those that would prefer to give the country over to third worlders.0
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lol...says the anarchistunsung said:No need to argue with those that would prefer to give the country over to third worlders.
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unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487You must not lock your doors to your house and car?
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HOW is it POSSIBLE that we're still talking about Donald J Trump as a candidate for the Presidency of the United States? In September of 2016?
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The Presidency. That good for nothing Jets fan.
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He'd be a good President of the New York Jets. THAT I could get behind.
I believe he would be a HORRIBLE commissioner of the National Football League , so forget it. but as President of the Jets, he's only going to be making that team suck with his "leadership", not the ENTIRE United States of America. There's a HUUGE difference.
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If my memory serves me correctly, TARP money came with some provisions on executive pay. It was a few months after the release but there was an uproar about it so the gov't corrected the oversight. But even with that, the executives were likely wealthy before the collapse so that wasn't a really penal requirement. I don't know if that was the case with GM.benjs said:
Post TARP, the regulators did two things (among many): 1. Dramatically reduced the fees that could be charged consumers (Card Act) and increased the reserves required (This means you have to have x% of cash on hand for your outstanding loans). This really shored up the banks' balance sheets but ironically it gave rise to all of the high interest lending for subprime customers that you have today. Payday lenders, online lending etc. sprung up because the regulators forced the big banks out of that business and now customers pay a MUCH higher interest rate for loans. It's the law of unintended consequences and a rant for a different day...0 -
http://www.vox.com/2016/9/2/12759020/trump-foundation-illegal-campaign-funding
Good article. As much as we hear how the press protects Hillary it is amazing how this story isn't being run 24/7....you can bet if the Clinton Foundation was fined it would be.
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The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/eric-trump-hispanic-surrogates-withdraw-support-227671?cmpid=sf
Eric Trump expressed incredulity Friday in reaction to the disavowal of two of the campaign's Hispanic surrogates in the wake of Donald Trump's immigration speech this week, suggesting that the campaign would try to reach back out to them and clarify his father's position on the issue.
Both Jacob Monty, a member of Trump's National Hispanic Advisory Council, and surrogate Alfonso Aguilar, the president of the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles, said Thursday that they are no longer supporting the Republican nominee. Other members of the council have suggested that they might also pull their support.
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2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
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2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt20
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