Hillary won more votes for President

Jason P said:

Degeneratefk said:

PJ_Soul said:

Degeneratefk said:

PJ_Soul said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Assume we're getting the VP pick today or tomorrow?

Seems like Kaine's going to be the safe pick.

But, I'll say, with Trump doubling down on all the crazy - wouldn't going the "safe" route of just showing how crazy Trump is at the DNC stand a chance of not working. I feel like going balls to the wall and bringing Warren on might bring in a lot of people voting for Stein and the such.

But, as much as I think like this, I still come back around to how misogynistic this country is...

Ah, yeah, looks like she'll likely be announcing him this afternoon. I think safe is fine...I think

Would really like Warren, but yeah, I'd be a little worried about that. I do think it would help the Sanders/Stein people, to an extent, but it would be a complete side show with that lunatic. And yeah, I am not sure folks would be down with a 2 woman ticket, as sad as that is.

Isn't it just so sick and disturbing how a ticket with two women on it is basically a complete non-option, while there are two men on the Republican ticket and no bats an eye? I can't fucking believe I still live in a society like that. Pathetic.

Nobody said it was a non option. In fact, from everything I've read, Warren is in Hilarys top 3.

It is very widely viewed as basically a non-option actually. The idea of two women running together was the very reason everyone knew Warren wouldn't be chosen. That she was supposedly even considered on any level was only Hillary making a point (or considering what would be ideal, however unrealistic). In the interests of having a shot, there was no way Warren was going to be picked.

Cliffy6745 said:

Degeneratefk said:

PJ_Soul said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Assume we're getting the VP pick today or tomorrow?

Seems like Kaine's going to be the safe pick.

But, I'll say, with Trump doubling down on all the crazy - wouldn't going the "safe" route of just showing how crazy Trump is at the DNC stand a chance of not working. I feel like going balls to the wall and bringing Warren on might bring in a lot of people voting for Stein and the such.

But, as much as I think like this, I still come back around to how misogynistic this country is...

Ah, yeah, looks like she'll likely be announcing him this afternoon. I think safe is fine...I think

Would really like Warren, but yeah, I'd be a little worried about that. I do think it would help the Sanders/Stein people, to an extent, but it would be a complete side show with that lunatic. And yeah, I am not sure folks would be down with a 2 woman ticket, as sad as that is.

Isn't it just so sick and disturbing how a ticket with two women on it is basically a complete non-option, while there are two men on the Republican ticket and no bats an eye? I can't fucking believe I still live in a society like that. Pathetic.

Nobody said it was a non option. In fact, from everything I've read, Warren is in Hilarys top 3.

The last four were Vilsack, Kaine, Perez and Booker. From a number of reports at least.

My guess would be that if Warren isn't a finalist, it's not because she's a woman, but because she really may that good of a choice.

I don't think she fits Clinton's style. Warren actually seems to care and show passion about the ideas that she preaches.

Which could make her a good choice. She could be the emotional part that people connect with that Clinton lacks.

Cliffy6745 said:

I think Hillary would love to have Warren, it just isn't a smart move.

Agreed. For sure it's largely because America isn't ready for that many women in power, lol, but also possibly because Warren is so (admirably) outspoken and honest. Hillary isn't honest or genuine enough for Warren, frankly.

PJ_Soul said:

Cliffy6745 said:

I think Hillary would love to have Warren, it just isn't a smart move.

Agreed. For sure it's largely because America isn't ready for that many women in power, lol, but also possibly because Warren is so (admirably) outspoken and honest. Hillary isn't honest or genuine enough for Warren, frankly.

Many thought America wasn't ready for a black to have all that power 8 years ago.

gimmesometruth27 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

I think Kaine brings a lot to the table. Very popular, pretty fluent Spanish, strong catholic. Pretty solid voting track record. Not as "progressive" as some want, but that't not happening.

i don't like him. i do not feel like this will help hillary.

she needs an attack dog, like christie was for trump. the gop made their entire convention about demonizing her.

is he pro-life or pro-choice? people will question how he can reconcile being pro choice with being catholic, just like john kerry.

He explains it very well. He is morally against abortions but feels the choices are up to the woman. I don't see anything wrong with that.

There will be plenty of people to attack Trump in her corner. Just like you said, Christie was and he didn't get the nod. Warren will be, Bill will be, Sanders will be. Doesn't have to be the VP.

that underlined part is going to be an issue for the ticket.

the people you listed will not go after trump the way the entire convention demonized her. ben carson, a fucking neurosurgeon, said she was in league with a guy who was in league with lucifer.

democrats are to above board to attack people with that kinda crap, but that kinda crap is what makes people pay attention.

gimmesometruth27 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

I think Kaine brings a lot to the table. Very popular, pretty fluent Spanish, strong catholic. Pretty solid voting track record. Not as "progressive" as some want, but that't not happening.

i don't like him. i do not feel like this will help hillary.

she needs an attack dog, like christie was for trump. the gop made their entire convention about demonizing her.

is he pro-life or pro-choice? people will question how he can reconcile being pro choice with being catholic, just like john kerry.

He explains it very well. He is morally against abortions but feels the choices are up to the woman. I don't see anything wrong with that.

There will be plenty of people to attack Trump in her corner. Just like you said, Christie was and he didn't get the nod. Warren will be, Bill will be, Sanders will be. Doesn't have to be the VP.

that underlined part is going to be an issue for the ticket.

the people you listed will not go after trump the way the entire convention demonized her. ben carson, a fucking neurosurgeon, said she was in league with a guy who was in league with lucifer.

democrats are to above board to attack people with that kinda crap, but that kinda crap is what makes people pay attention.

I don't see how or why. No one is "pro abortion". All that matters is that he feels the woman has the right to choose. Do people want him cheering for abortions or something?

I am not really following you. I surely hope they don't go after him the same way they did her. I hope they are better than that. In one sentence you said she needs an attack dog the second you said none of them will. Warren will go after Trump from now till November, but I hope the Dems are the bigger party.

gimmesometruth27 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

I think Kaine brings a lot to the table. Very popular, pretty fluent Spanish, strong catholic. Pretty solid voting track record. Not as "progressive" as some want, but that't not happening.

i don't like him. i do not feel like this will help hillary.

she needs an attack dog, like christie was for trump. the gop made their entire convention about demonizing her.

is he pro-life or pro-choice? people will question how he can reconcile being pro choice with being catholic, just like john kerry.

He explains it very well. He is morally against abortions but feels the choices are up to the woman. I don't see anything wrong with that.

There will be plenty of people to attack Trump in her corner. Just like you said, Christie was and he didn't get the nod. Warren will be, Bill will be, Sanders will be. Doesn't have to be the VP.

that underlined part is going to be an issue for the ticket.

the people you listed will not go after trump the way the entire convention demonized her. ben carson, a fucking neurosurgeon, said she was in league with a guy who was in league with lucifer.

democrats are to above board to attack people with that kinda crap, but that kinda crap is what makes people pay attention.

gimmesometruth27 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

I think Kaine brings a lot to the table. Very popular, pretty fluent Spanish, strong catholic. Pretty solid voting track record. Not as "progressive" as some want, but that't not happening.

i don't like him. i do not feel like this will help hillary.

she needs an attack dog, like christie was for trump. the gop made their entire convention about demonizing her.

is he pro-life or pro-choice? people will question how he can reconcile being pro choice with being catholic, just like john kerry.

He explains it very well. He is morally against abortions but feels the choices are up to the woman. I don't see anything wrong with that.

There will be plenty of people to attack Trump in her corner. Just like you said, Christie was and he didn't get the nod. Warren will be, Bill will be, Sanders will be. Doesn't have to be the VP.

that underlined part is going to be an issue for the ticket.

the people you listed will not go after trump the way the entire convention demonized her. ben carson, a fucking neurosurgeon, said she was in league with a guy who was in league with lucifer.

democrats are to above board to attack people with that kinda crap, but that kinda crap is what makes people pay attention.

I don't see how or why. No one is "pro abortion". All that matters is that he feels the woman has the right to choose. Do people want him cheering for abortions or something?

I am not really following you. I surely hope they don't go after him the same way they did her. I hope they are better than that. In one sentence you said she needs an attack dog the second you said none of them will. Warren will go after Trump from now till November, but I hope the Dems are the bigger party.

i feel a sense of urgency right now. what they did to her was completely wrong and uncalled for. they basically had a 96 hour hatefest. they did not talk about making america safe again, they did not talk about making america's economy better, they talked about how hillary is so bad she should be in prison, or shot for treason. they lied about benghazi. they lied about her emails. there was nobody there to refute it. people now believe what was said. how on earth can you convince people of truth when the lies are said and repeated so forcefully?

See, I get what you are saying, but I don't think that convention did anything to help Trump. He will get a bump in the polls from some republicans reluctantly supporting him which was inevitable, but that shit show did nothing to sway anyone who would even consider voting for her.

Hillary is not about winning voters tuned into that over. There's nothing she can do. If she has a good ground and get out the vote effort, she wins.

I completely agree with your view about that nonsense, but no one was like "hmmmm, bengahzi...emails...terrorism...death...I better not vote for her". The base ate that shit up, but that's it.

Degeneratefk said:

Cliffy6745 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

I think Kaine brings a lot to the table. Very popular, pretty fluent Spanish, strong catholic. Pretty solid voting track record. Not as "progressive" as some want, but that't not happening.

i don't like him. i do not feel like this will help hillary.

she needs an attack dog, like christie was for trump. the gop made their entire convention about demonizing her.

is he pro-life or pro-choice? people will question how he can reconcile being pro choice with being catholic, just like john kerry.

He explains it very well. He is morally against abortions but feels the choices are up to the woman. I don't see anything wrong with that.

There will be plenty of people to attack Trump in her corner. Just like you said, Christie was and he didn't get the nod. Warren will be, Bill will be, Sanders will be. Doesn't have to be the VP.

that underlined part is going to be an issue for the ticket.

the people you listed will not go after trump the way the entire convention demonized her. ben carson, a fucking neurosurgeon, said she was in league with a guy who was in league with lucifer.

democrats are to above board to attack people with that kinda crap, but that kinda crap is what makes people pay attention.

gimmesometruth27 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

I think Kaine brings a lot to the table. Very popular, pretty fluent Spanish, strong catholic. Pretty solid voting track record. Not as "progressive" as some want, but that't not happening.

i don't like him. i do not feel like this will help hillary.

she needs an attack dog, like christie was for trump. the gop made their entire convention about demonizing her.

is he pro-life or pro-choice? people will question how he can reconcile being pro choice with being catholic, just like john kerry.

He explains it very well. He is morally against abortions but feels the choices are up to the woman. I don't see anything wrong with that.

There will be plenty of people to attack Trump in her corner. Just like you said, Christie was and he didn't get the nod. Warren will be, Bill will be, Sanders will be. Doesn't have to be the VP.

that underlined part is going to be an issue for the ticket.

the people you listed will not go after trump the way the entire convention demonized her. ben carson, a fucking neurosurgeon, said she was in league with a guy who was in league with lucifer.

democrats are to above board to attack people with that kinda crap, but that kinda crap is what makes people pay attention.

I don't see how or why. No one is "pro abortion". All that matters is that he feels the woman has the right to choose. Do people want him cheering for abortions or something?

I am not really following you. I surely hope they don't go after him the same way they did her. I hope they are better than that. In one sentence you said she needs an attack dog the second you said none of them will. Warren will go after Trump from now till November, but I hope the Dems are the bigger party.

I am pro abortion.

I probably could have worded that better, but you know what I mean.

gimmesometruth27 said:

i'm pro-woman. her body, her choice what happens within it. end of discussion.

And as is Kaine.