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I think it's almost like a win win for him. He's banking on one of two things to happen so he can be the one to say "I told you so and I didn't lose sight of my values:"mrussel1 said:
Definitely the odds are in his favor.PJ_Soul said:
Yeah, I agree he made a good bet (if good bet means it's good for Cruz... I'm going to call the a bad bet, lol. All about perspective). I wouldn't say the odds were against him though. It was a reasonably safe bet that this would work for him long term. I am so worried about this precisely because it was very clever on his part. Very manipulative.mrussel1 said:
He made a gamble here. He had three options... lie low like Kasich and others. Endorse the candidate and be seen as a puppy dog like Christie and Carson OR put all the chips in and bank on Trump losing. I think overall, he made a good bet because he can rise from the ashes of the party. But we shall see. I think it was generally self serving, but that doesn't make it wrong.PJ_Soul said:As much as I can't stand Ted Cruz, his speech was fantastic, lol. I wish there was more footage of all the people on the floor of the convention while he gave it, just for entertainment's sake.
But now that I'm over the minor glee his speech caused, I go right back to being really worried about Ted Cruz, who I have maintained would be even worse that Trump. He's an evangelical who wants to apply his religion in politics, and that scares me more than anything. I definitely feel like he is trying to set himself up for something down the road. Who knows how far he wants to take it. Is it as simple and having his eyes on the next election? Or is it a more complicated plan? Perhaps he is trying to basically form a new tea party kind of thing, but legit this time. If the GOP is doomed, as some seem to think, maybe he is twisting his mustache and plotting a kind of Republican take-over.
A- Trump loses
B- Trump wins but his tenure is an unmitigated disaster
Both of these are very likely so he sets himself up nicely in 2020 either way.www.myspace.com0 -
Hitler would have been a big fan of yoursrustneversleeps said:
maybe where you come from. where i come from a pledge is a pledge.mrussel1 said:
No it isn't. I pledge allegiance to the flag, but if we become a fascist dictatorship, that pledge is out the door. If you pledge unconditionally, then you are a spineless lemming.rustneversleeps said:
a pledge is a pledge...mrussel1 said:
So if Donald Trump changed his platform to include "deportation of non-Christians who commit misdemeanors or above", is Cruz obligated to support due to the promise? Of course not.rustneversleeps said:
he should have kept his word like a man. he's a coward, nothing fantastic about it.PJ_Soul said:As much as I can't stand Ted Cruz, his speech was fantastic, lol. I wish there was more footage of all the people on the floor of the convention while he gave it, just for entertainment's sake.
But now that I'm over the minor glee his speech caused, I go right back to being really worried about Ted Cruz, who I have maintained would be even worse that Trump. He's an evangelical who wants to apply his religion in politics, and that scares me more than anything. I definitely feel like he is trying to set himself up for something down the road. Who knows how far he wants to take it. Is it as simple and having his eyes on the next election? Or is it a more complicated plan? Perhaps he is trying to basically form a new tea party kind of thing, but legit this time. If the GOP is doomed, as some seem to think, maybe he is twisting his mustache and plotting a kind of Republican take-over.
Is he obligated to support after Trump said Cruz's father was connected to JFK assassination or that he's going to 'spill the beans' on Heidi Cruz and that awful tweet he sent. Is he obligated there? Fuck no. Circumstances changed. Trump 'devolved' and became an even bigger piece of shit than before. I don't think that 'promise' holds.0 -
is this thread about me, or The Donald?Cliffy6745 said:
Hitler would have been a big fan of yoursrustneversleeps said:
maybe where you come from. where i come from a pledge is a pledge.mrussel1 said:
No it isn't. I pledge allegiance to the flag, but if we become a fascist dictatorship, that pledge is out the door. If you pledge unconditionally, then you are a spineless lemming.rustneversleeps said:
a pledge is a pledge...mrussel1 said:
So if Donald Trump changed his platform to include "deportation of non-Christians who commit misdemeanors or above", is Cruz obligated to support due to the promise? Of course not.rustneversleeps said:
he should have kept his word like a man. he's a coward, nothing fantastic about it.PJ_Soul said:As much as I can't stand Ted Cruz, his speech was fantastic, lol. I wish there was more footage of all the people on the floor of the convention while he gave it, just for entertainment's sake.
But now that I'm over the minor glee his speech caused, I go right back to being really worried about Ted Cruz, who I have maintained would be even worse that Trump. He's an evangelical who wants to apply his religion in politics, and that scares me more than anything. I definitely feel like he is trying to set himself up for something down the road. Who knows how far he wants to take it. Is it as simple and having his eyes on the next election? Or is it a more complicated plan? Perhaps he is trying to basically form a new tea party kind of thing, but legit this time. If the GOP is doomed, as some seem to think, maybe he is twisting his mustache and plotting a kind of Republican take-over.
Is he obligated to support after Trump said Cruz's father was connected to JFK assassination or that he's going to 'spill the beans' on Heidi Cruz and that awful tweet he sent. Is he obligated there? Fuck no. Circumstances changed. Trump 'devolved' and became an even bigger piece of shit than before. I don't think that 'promise' holds.0 -
You made it about yourustneversleeps said:
is this thread about me, or The Donald?Cliffy6745 said:
Hitler would have been a big fan of yoursrustneversleeps said:
maybe where you come from. where i come from a pledge is a pledge.mrussel1 said:
No it isn't. I pledge allegiance to the flag, but if we become a fascist dictatorship, that pledge is out the door. If you pledge unconditionally, then you are a spineless lemming.rustneversleeps said:
a pledge is a pledge...mrussel1 said:
So if Donald Trump changed his platform to include "deportation of non-Christians who commit misdemeanors or above", is Cruz obligated to support due to the promise? Of course not.rustneversleeps said:
he should have kept his word like a man. he's a coward, nothing fantastic about it.PJ_Soul said:As much as I can't stand Ted Cruz, his speech was fantastic, lol. I wish there was more footage of all the people on the floor of the convention while he gave it, just for entertainment's sake.
But now that I'm over the minor glee his speech caused, I go right back to being really worried about Ted Cruz, who I have maintained would be even worse that Trump. He's an evangelical who wants to apply his religion in politics, and that scares me more than anything. I definitely feel like he is trying to set himself up for something down the road. Who knows how far he wants to take it. Is it as simple and having his eyes on the next election? Or is it a more complicated plan? Perhaps he is trying to basically form a new tea party kind of thing, but legit this time. If the GOP is doomed, as some seem to think, maybe he is twisting his mustache and plotting a kind of Republican take-over.
Is he obligated to support after Trump said Cruz's father was connected to JFK assassination or that he's going to 'spill the beans' on Heidi Cruz and that awful tweet he sent. Is he obligated there? Fuck no. Circumstances changed. Trump 'devolved' and became an even bigger piece of shit than before. I don't think that 'promise' holds.
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Another "hitler" toss wide of the mark.Cliffy6745 said:
Hitler would have been a big fan of yoursrustneversleeps said:
maybe where you come from. where i come from a pledge is a pledge.mrussel1 said:
No it isn't. I pledge allegiance to the flag, but if we become a fascist dictatorship, that pledge is out the door. If you pledge unconditionally, then you are a spineless lemming.rustneversleeps said:
a pledge is a pledge...mrussel1 said:
So if Donald Trump changed his platform to include "deportation of non-Christians who commit misdemeanors or above", is Cruz obligated to support due to the promise? Of course not.rustneversleeps said:
he should have kept his word like a man. he's a coward, nothing fantastic about it.PJ_Soul said:As much as I can't stand Ted Cruz, his speech was fantastic, lol. I wish there was more footage of all the people on the floor of the convention while he gave it, just for entertainment's sake.
But now that I'm over the minor glee his speech caused, I go right back to being really worried about Ted Cruz, who I have maintained would be even worse that Trump. He's an evangelical who wants to apply his religion in politics, and that scares me more than anything. I definitely feel like he is trying to set himself up for something down the road. Who knows how far he wants to take it. Is it as simple and having his eyes on the next election? Or is it a more complicated plan? Perhaps he is trying to basically form a new tea party kind of thing, but legit this time. If the GOP is doomed, as some seem to think, maybe he is twisting his mustache and plotting a kind of Republican take-over.
Is he obligated to support after Trump said Cruz's father was connected to JFK assassination or that he's going to 'spill the beans' on Heidi Cruz and that awful tweet he sent. Is he obligated there? Fuck no. Circumstances changed. Trump 'devolved' and became an even bigger piece of shit than before. I don't think that 'promise' holds.0 -
I have no issue with Cruz breaking his pledge. That is his perogative. I do think long term it hurts his personal presidential chances though. A supreme court nomination on the other hand...rustneversleeps said:
a pledge is a pledge...mrussel1 said:
So if Donald Trump changed his platform to include "deportation of non-Christians who commit misdemeanors or above", is Cruz obligated to support due to the promise? Of course not.rustneversleeps said:
he should have kept his word like a man. he's a coward, nothing fantastic about it.PJ_Soul said:As much as I can't stand Ted Cruz, his speech was fantastic, lol. I wish there was more footage of all the people on the floor of the convention while he gave it, just for entertainment's sake.
But now that I'm over the minor glee his speech caused, I go right back to being really worried about Ted Cruz, who I have maintained would be even worse that Trump. He's an evangelical who wants to apply his religion in politics, and that scares me more than anything. I definitely feel like he is trying to set himself up for something down the road. Who knows how far he wants to take it. Is it as simple and having his eyes on the next election? Or is it a more complicated plan? Perhaps he is trying to basically form a new tea party kind of thing, but legit this time. If the GOP is doomed, as some seem to think, maybe he is twisting his mustache and plotting a kind of Republican take-over.
Is he obligated to support after Trump said Cruz's father was connected to JFK assassination or that he's going to 'spill the beans' on Heidi Cruz and that awful tweet he sent. Is he obligated there? Fuck no. Circumstances changed. Trump 'devolved' and became an even bigger piece of shit than before. I don't think that 'promise' holds.0 -
well, i have people assuming they know my intentions. then another calling me a spineless lemming for my beliefs. then we have you saying hitler himself would like me. all because i was raised to keep my word. the RadLibs are too much sometimes....0
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We come from the same place!rustneversleeps said:
maybe where you come from. where i come from a pledge is a pledge.mrussel1 said:
No it isn't. I pledge allegiance to the flag, but if we become a fascist dictatorship, that pledge is out the door. If you pledge unconditionally, then you are a spineless lemming.rustneversleeps said:
a pledge is a pledge...mrussel1 said:
So if Donald Trump changed his platform to include "deportation of non-Christians who commit misdemeanors or above", is Cruz obligated to support due to the promise? Of course not.rustneversleeps said:
he should have kept his word like a man. he's a coward, nothing fantastic about it.PJ_Soul said:As much as I can't stand Ted Cruz, his speech was fantastic, lol. I wish there was more footage of all the people on the floor of the convention while he gave it, just for entertainment's sake.
But now that I'm over the minor glee his speech caused, I go right back to being really worried about Ted Cruz, who I have maintained would be even worse that Trump. He's an evangelical who wants to apply his religion in politics, and that scares me more than anything. I definitely feel like he is trying to set himself up for something down the road. Who knows how far he wants to take it. Is it as simple and having his eyes on the next election? Or is it a more complicated plan? Perhaps he is trying to basically form a new tea party kind of thing, but legit this time. If the GOP is doomed, as some seem to think, maybe he is twisting his mustache and plotting a kind of Republican take-over.
Is he obligated to support after Trump said Cruz's father was connected to JFK assassination or that he's going to 'spill the beans' on Heidi Cruz and that awful tweet he sent. Is he obligated there? Fuck no. Circumstances changed. Trump 'devolved' and became an even bigger piece of shit than before. I don't think that 'promise' holds.www.myspace.com0 -
then you must know how to keep your word!The Juggler said:
We come from the same place!rustneversleeps said:
maybe where you come from. where i come from a pledge is a pledge.mrussel1 said:
No it isn't. I pledge allegiance to the flag, but if we become a fascist dictatorship, that pledge is out the door. If you pledge unconditionally, then you are a spineless lemming.rustneversleeps said:
a pledge is a pledge...mrussel1 said:
So if Donald Trump changed his platform to include "deportation of non-Christians who commit misdemeanors or above", is Cruz obligated to support due to the promise? Of course not.rustneversleeps said:
he should have kept his word like a man. he's a coward, nothing fantastic about it.PJ_Soul said:As much as I can't stand Ted Cruz, his speech was fantastic, lol. I wish there was more footage of all the people on the floor of the convention while he gave it, just for entertainment's sake.
But now that I'm over the minor glee his speech caused, I go right back to being really worried about Ted Cruz, who I have maintained would be even worse that Trump. He's an evangelical who wants to apply his religion in politics, and that scares me more than anything. I definitely feel like he is trying to set himself up for something down the road. Who knows how far he wants to take it. Is it as simple and having his eyes on the next election? Or is it a more complicated plan? Perhaps he is trying to basically form a new tea party kind of thing, but legit this time. If the GOP is doomed, as some seem to think, maybe he is twisting his mustache and plotting a kind of Republican take-over.
Is he obligated to support after Trump said Cruz's father was connected to JFK assassination or that he's going to 'spill the beans' on Heidi Cruz and that awful tweet he sent. Is he obligated there? Fuck no. Circumstances changed. Trump 'devolved' and became an even bigger piece of shit than before. I don't think that 'promise' holds.0 -
You are not alone. You're another example of someone who gets confused that Liberals are hateful to the core if you don't have the same thoughts as them yet they preach about open hearts, compassion and tolerance.rustneversleeps said:well, i have people assuming they know my intentions. then another calling me a spineless lemming for my beliefs. then we have you saying hitler himself would like me. all because i was raised to keep my word. the RadLibs are too much sometimes....
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Such an odd couple....Trump & Pence ....when it comes to adultery.
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Seems like Trump does not want to keep our country's word regarding NATO, eh? Little more important than a stupid pledge from last summer.rustneversleeps said:
then you must know how to keep your word!The Juggler said:
We come from the same place!rustneversleeps said:
maybe where you come from. where i come from a pledge is a pledge.mrussel1 said:
No it isn't. I pledge allegiance to the flag, but if we become a fascist dictatorship, that pledge is out the door. If you pledge unconditionally, then you are a spineless lemming.rustneversleeps said:
a pledge is a pledge...mrussel1 said:
So if Donald Trump changed his platform to include "deportation of non-Christians who commit misdemeanors or above", is Cruz obligated to support due to the promise? Of course not.rustneversleeps said:
he should have kept his word like a man. he's a coward, nothing fantastic about it.PJ_Soul said:As much as I can't stand Ted Cruz, his speech was fantastic, lol. I wish there was more footage of all the people on the floor of the convention while he gave it, just for entertainment's sake.
But now that I'm over the minor glee his speech caused, I go right back to being really worried about Ted Cruz, who I have maintained would be even worse that Trump. He's an evangelical who wants to apply his religion in politics, and that scares me more than anything. I definitely feel like he is trying to set himself up for something down the road. Who knows how far he wants to take it. Is it as simple and having his eyes on the next election? Or is it a more complicated plan? Perhaps he is trying to basically form a new tea party kind of thing, but legit this time. If the GOP is doomed, as some seem to think, maybe he is twisting his mustache and plotting a kind of Republican take-over.
Is he obligated to support after Trump said Cruz's father was connected to JFK assassination or that he's going to 'spill the beans' on Heidi Cruz and that awful tweet he sent. Is he obligated there? Fuck no. Circumstances changed. Trump 'devolved' and became an even bigger piece of shit than before. I don't think that 'promise' holds.
And that was a Seinfeld quote. Can't find the video, damn itwww.myspace.com0 -
Let's set expectations. Trump gets good reviews tonight and a bump in the polls. Bound to happen. Expectations are too low.0
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I didn't call you a spineless lemming. I said a person who would not break said pledge when circumstances change is a spineless lemming. Are RadCons hypersensitive or unfamiliar with the general 'royal you'?rustneversleeps said:well, i have people assuming they know my intentions. then another calling me a spineless lemming for my beliefs. then we have you saying hitler himself would like me. all because i was raised to keep my word. the RadLibs are too much sometimes....
Since we are talking Nazis now, do you look down upon Oskar Schindler for violating his oath to follow the Nazi party platform?Post edited by mrussel1 on0 -
I don't think either of you have thought this through enough, lol.The Juggler said:
We come from the same place!rustneversleeps said:
maybe where you come from. where i come from a pledge is a pledge.mrussel1 said:
No it isn't. I pledge allegiance to the flag, but if we become a fascist dictatorship, that pledge is out the door. If you pledge unconditionally, then you are a spineless lemming.rustneversleeps said:
a pledge is a pledge...mrussel1 said:
So if Donald Trump changed his platform to include "deportation of non-Christians who commit misdemeanors or above", is Cruz obligated to support due to the promise? Of course not.rustneversleeps said:
he should have kept his word like a man. he's a coward, nothing fantastic about it.PJ_Soul said:As much as I can't stand Ted Cruz, his speech was fantastic, lol. I wish there was more footage of all the people on the floor of the convention while he gave it, just for entertainment's sake.
But now that I'm over the minor glee his speech caused, I go right back to being really worried about Ted Cruz, who I have maintained would be even worse that Trump. He's an evangelical who wants to apply his religion in politics, and that scares me more than anything. I definitely feel like he is trying to set himself up for something down the road. Who knows how far he wants to take it. Is it as simple and having his eyes on the next election? Or is it a more complicated plan? Perhaps he is trying to basically form a new tea party kind of thing, but legit this time. If the GOP is doomed, as some seem to think, maybe he is twisting his mustache and plotting a kind of Republican take-over.
Is he obligated to support after Trump said Cruz's father was connected to JFK assassination or that he's going to 'spill the beans' on Heidi Cruz and that awful tweet he sent. Is he obligated there? Fuck no. Circumstances changed. Trump 'devolved' and became an even bigger piece of shit than before. I don't think that 'promise' holds.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
I'm expecting another low energy teleprompter speech.Cliffy6745 said:Let's set expectations. Trump gets good reviews tonight and a bump in the polls. Bound to happen. Expectations are too low.
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You're probably right. That's disappointing. I really want him to do something batshit crazy.Cliffy6745 said:Let's set expectations. Trump gets good reviews tonight and a bump in the polls. Bound to happen. Expectations are too low.
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Well yes, and that has to help him after the insanity this weekThe Juggler said:
I'm expecting another low energy teleprompter speech.Cliffy6745 said:Let's set expectations. Trump gets good reviews tonight and a bump in the polls. Bound to happen. Expectations are too low.
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Likewise.PJ_Soul said:
You're probably right. That's disappointing. I really want him to do something batshit crazy.Cliffy6745 said:Let's set expectations. Trump gets good reviews tonight and a bump in the polls. Bound to happen. Expectations are too low.
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Don'trustneversleeps said:well, i have people assuming they know my intentions. then another calling me a spineless lemming for my beliefs. then we have you saying hitler himself would like me. all because i was raised to keep my word. the RadLibs are too much sometimes....
Haha. Fucking Schindler broke his pledge!mrussel1 said:
I didn't call you a spineless lemming. I said a person who would not break said pledge when circumstances change is a spineless lemming. Are RadCons hypersensitive or unfamiliar with the general 'royal you'?rustneversleeps said:well, i have people assuming they know my intentions. then another calling me a spineless lemming for my beliefs. then we have you saying hitler himself would like me. all because i was raised to keep my word. the RadLibs are too much sometimes....
Since we are talking Nazis now, do you look down upon Oskar Schindler for violating his oath to follow the Nazi party platform?0
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