Another Attack in France (Nice)

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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Is it OK to feel for those who lost their lives and the ones who loved them?

    It truly is fucked up.

    I'm not at the "we're all fucked" point yet though.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    BS44325 said:

    This is gruesome and horrifying. There are no rules anymore. Suddenly innocent people and children [celebrating liberty] are the front line.

    It's like we're watching the world catching fire what does the French government do now they are taking a beating ..
    It calls the evil by it's name and stops making accomodations for radical Islam in all it's forms.
    Seems like it's an effective strategy...
  • BS44325
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    BS44325 said:

    This is gruesome and horrifying. There are no rules anymore. Suddenly innocent people and children [celebrating liberty] are the front line.

    It's like we're watching the world catching fire what does the French government do now they are taking a beating ..
    It calls the evil by it's name and stops making accomodations for radical Islam in all it's forms.
    Seems like it's an effective strategy...
    Yes. It must be treated like a cancer. Diagnosed and treated correctly it probably cannot be cured but almost certainly can be put into remission. Like all cancers we will have to hunt and kill the radical cells. Doing so will damage some aspects of the host but that is an unfortunate necessity considering the alternative.
  • BS44325
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    brianlux said:

    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:

    BS44325 said:

    This is gruesome and horrifying. There are no rules anymore. Suddenly innocent people and children [celebrating liberty] are the front line.

    It's like we're watching the world catching fire what does the French government do now they are taking a beating ..
    It calls the evil by it's name and stops making accomodations for radical Islam in all it's forms.
    And while they're at it maybe explain again how this all came to be. You know....
    Indeed. There are too many who mistakenly believe that radical Islam is a response to western imperialism and not it's own religious ideology with an expansionist agenda that has existed for centuries.
    Yeah, sure glad we never did that.

    In any case, more madness. What will it be- all out war, or the slow corrosion of civilization? Or maybe we'll just keep whacking off chunks of our population until we are spread out far enough to not be able to see our neighbors chimney/camp fire or give a shit about their myths. Or maybe we'll try real, sincere, hard scrabble diplomacy and work some of this stupid shit out. What a crazy insane world. Madness.
    There is no diplomacy to be had with radical Islam. They are not interested in your peace and love. They want your submission. You need to understand this.
  • InHiding80
    InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    On Bastille Day of all days. Freaking sad.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,435
    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:

    BS44325 said:

    brianlux said:

    BS44325 said:

    This is gruesome and horrifying. There are no rules anymore. Suddenly innocent people and children [celebrating liberty] are the front line.

    It's like we're watching the world catching fire what does the French government do now they are taking a beating ..
    It calls the evil by it's name and stops making accomodations for radical Islam in all it's forms.
    And while they're at it maybe explain again how this all came to be. You know....
    Indeed. There are too many who mistakenly believe that radical Islam is a response to western imperialism and not it's own religious ideology with an expansionist agenda that has existed for centuries.
    Yeah, sure glad we never did that.

    In any case, more madness. What will it be- all out war, or the slow corrosion of civilization? Or maybe we'll just keep whacking off chunks of our population until we are spread out far enough to not be able to see our neighbors chimney/camp fire or give a shit about their myths. Or maybe we'll try real, sincere, hard scrabble diplomacy and work some of this stupid shit out. What a crazy insane world. Madness.
    There is no diplomacy to be had with radical Islam. They are not interested in your peace and love. They want your submission. You need to understand this.
    So, when does Canada recall its ambassador from Saudi Arabia and shutter its embassy?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Or, BS, when does "Tom fuckin Hear Me Roar I'm A Warrior Cotton" vote to deny those on the terrorist watch or no fly lists be able to legally purchase firearms? Talk about a cancer?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    And BS? BS? Let me know when Canada invades France. I'm sure your almost breakaway republique of Quebec will be en board.
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  • Shawshank
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    BS44325 said:


    There is no diplomacy to be had with radical Islam. They are not interested in your peace and love. They want your submission. You need to understand this.

    Quite possibly the most accurate post on these boards. Eventually people will start to realize, you aren't going to change radical "hearts and minds"...you destroy them before they destroy you, and nothing less than that will work....ever. You will basically have 3 choices...die, submit, or destroy. Again, we are talking about the radical element here, and it's an element other Muslims need to stop being afraid to condemn. It's not about playing into fears, or being a warmonger, it's just common sense based on a need to protect ourselves from these monsters that everyone seems to be afraid to offend.

  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Shawshank said:

    BS44325 said:


    There is no diplomacy to be had with radical Islam. They are not interested in your peace and love. They want your submission. You need to understand this.

    Quite possibly the most accurate post on these boards. Eventually people will start to realize, you aren't going to change radical "hearts and minds"...you destroy them before they destroy you, and nothing less than that will work....ever. You will basically have 3 choices...die, submit, or destroy. Again, we are talking about the radical element here, and it's an element other Muslims need to stop being afraid to condemn. It's not about playing into fears, or being a warmonger, it's just common sense based on a need to protect ourselves from these monsters that everyone seems to be afraid to offend.

    So, when do we sever relations with, and call, Saudi Arabia an axis of evil?
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  • brianlux
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    Shawshank said:

    BS44325 said:


    There is no diplomacy to be had with radical Islam. They are not interested in your peace and love. They want your submission. You need to understand this.

    Quite possibly the most accurate post on these boards. Eventually people will start to realize, you aren't going to change radical "hearts and minds"...you destroy them before they destroy you, and nothing less than that will work....ever. You will basically have 3 choices...die, submit, or destroy. Again, we are talking about the radical element here, and it's an element other Muslims need to stop being afraid to condemn. It's not about playing into fears, or being a warmonger, it's just common sense based on a need to protect ourselves from these monsters that everyone seems to be afraid to offend.

    Change hardened radicals, radical "hearts and minds", so steeped in beliefs as to be suicide bombs or death machines or what not-- maybe not. But look beyond that. I'm talking about something much broader- like start with accepting our differences, stop profiling, share cultural elements, view more varied and broader perspectives, give and take, etc., etc. and work for a greater mutual acceptance that will weaken the desire for fringe radicals to form or flair up, not to mention act act so horribly. Is that not worth some effort rather than off just shouting, "Fuck 'em! Kill them first!"?

    And let's look back at why this is all happening and factor in all sides and their/our corresponding contributions to the situation. Why have some of these people (not most, just a small group of them) become so angry? What factors in total led to this mess?

    Rarely is war, strife, fighting etc., a one sided issue. We want to squish it all down and simplify it and make some sweeping statement... ending with, I might add, something containing a "you should" or "you would be well to" or "you need to understand" phrase. Right? No, not that simple.
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  • dimitrispearljam
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    I have 2 words for this piece of shits of terrorist.
    Fuck off....just fuck off
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  • Tristelune
    Tristelune Posts: 318
    brianlux said:

    Shawshank said:

    BS44325 said:


    There is no diplomacy to be had with radical Islam. They are not interested in your peace and love. They want your submission. You need to understand this.

    Quite possibly the most accurate post on these boards. Eventually people will start to realize, you aren't going to change radical "hearts and minds"...you destroy them before they destroy you, and nothing less than that will work....ever. You will basically have 3 choices...die, submit, or destroy. Again, we are talking about the radical element here, and it's an element other Muslims need to stop being afraid to condemn. It's not about playing into fears, or being a warmonger, it's just common sense based on a need to protect ourselves from these monsters that everyone seems to be afraid to offend.

    Change hardened radicals, radical "hearts and minds", so steeped in beliefs as to be suicide bombs or death machines or what not-- maybe not. But look beyond that. I'm talking about something much broader- like start with accepting our differences, stop profiling, share cultural elements, view more varied and broader perspectives, give and take, etc., etc. and work for a greater mutual acceptance that will weaken the desire for fringe radicals to form or flair up, not to mention act act so horribly. Is that not worth some effort rather than off just shouting, "Fuck 'em! Kill them first!"?

    And let's look back at why this is all happening and factor in all sides and their/our corresponding contributions to the situation. Why have some of these people (not most, just a small group of them) become so angry? What factors in total led to this mess?

    Rarely is war, strife, fighting etc., a one sided issue. We want to squish it all down and simplify it and make some sweeping statement... ending with, I might add, something containing a "you should" or "you would be well to" or "you need to understand" phrase. Right? No, not that simple.
    Yes.

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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    During the attack from the truck a couple.lost their 8 months kid..after post on facebook and 22.000 users repost it..someone found the baby and deliver it to the parents..good people
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  • Annafalk
    Annafalk Sweden Posts: 4,004
    I feel so sad and angry. Only an evil monster can do a thing like this.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,319
    I was worried that they would figure this strategy out. Just need to find a farmers market and drive a box truck through it now.
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  • Godfather.
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    BS44325 said:

    This is gruesome and horrifying. There are no rules anymore. Suddenly innocent people and children [celebrating liberty] are the front line.

    It's like we're watching the world catching fire what does the French government do now they are taking a beating ..
    It calls the evil by it's name and stops making accomodations for radical Islam in all it's forms.
    BINGO ! but no need to bring that up here because the train say's it only a small percentage of Islamist that do these attacks, these countries keep letting these evil fucks in and nothing but death and destruction accompany them, these dumb-asses like Clinton and Obama want more of these people in our country and other countries with no friggin regards for the safety and lives of the people that are stuck with these idiots.

    Godfather.

  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,319
    brianlux said:



    And let's look back at why this is all happening and factor in all sides and their/our corresponding contributions to the situation. Why have some of these people (not most, just a small group of them) become so angry? What factors in total led to this mess?

    It's a book and religion. These are not mental patients even though someone mowing people down with a truck while shouting "god is great" seems like something a super crazy person would do. Religion is the motivating factor.

    How many people died in Baghdad the past week? 300?

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  • Degeneratefk
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    This is just getting to be too much. This is how we are going to have to live forever. Always that fear in the back of our minds.
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