Bernie Sanders
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There's a lot to catch up on here on this thread and I admit I haven't read it all but this bolded statement above by Free caught my attention in a big way because this is something that mainly only Bernie supporters and Green Party supporters seem to recognize. The crux of this idea is that if America is a democracy, Americans are going to be an integral part of the democratic process. Bernie Sanders and Jill Stein are the best candidates to want to work to make that happen. It seems to me a vote for Hillary is not a vote for moving closer to democracy but, rather, moving closer to Corporatocracy and a vote for Trump is a vote for Chaosocrazy.Free said:
If you know anything about Bernie, The best way to serve Americans is to have them rise up and be the leaders themselves. His campaign is never been about him solely, it was about him raising up all of us so all of us can lead. Which is happening. More and more progressives are taking the lead and running for office... For the right reasons.PJ_Soul said:Exactly. If Bernie's followers decide that his own political decision to support Hillary in an effort to best serve Americans (under the circumstances) is completely fucked, then I'd say that they made a mistake following him in the first place, since they obviously don't trust his judgment or his political decisions.
Your knee-jerk reaction it to Sanders and what his supporters should do, it's pretty uncalled for. No one with a brain follows blindly, so stop making this about "how poor of a leader he is if his supporters don't get behind him and vote for Hillary".
So bottom line is, if you support the idea of a democracy, come along, join us. Start supporting candidates who believe in democracy. Don't get left in the dust!"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
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Club med seems a little brash.
Wouldn't you like to at least study in comfort knowing that for the rest of your life you will be working?0 -
Well the amenities are driving up the cost and then students complain about their massive debt.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
Club med seems a little brash.
Wouldn't you like to at least study in comfort knowing that for the rest of your life you will be working?0 -
In this day and age regardless how it's come to this if you take away all those amenities going to school suddenly does not seem like a motivating factor to do something.mrussel1 said:
Well the amenities are driving up the cost and then students complain about their massive debt.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
Club med seems a little brash.
Wouldn't you like to at least study in comfort knowing that for the rest of your life you will be working?Post edited by PJfanwillneverleave1 on0 -
This is all the motivation necessary to go to college. If this doesn't get you there, you're fucked.mrussel1 said:0 -
I thought getting an education was the motivating factor?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
In this day and age regardless how it's come to this if you take away all those amenities going to school suddenly does not seem like a motivating factor to do something.mrussel1 said:
Well the amenities are driving up the cost and then students complain about their massive debt.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
Club med seems a little brash.
Wouldn't you like to at least study in comfort knowing that for the rest of your life you will be working?
Granted I attended only one semester at my Cal State University, but I paid for it myself and was prepared to continue to do so. Ended up taking another road, but the fact that the experience was pretty much professor, students, and interaction on that level took nothing away from it. Sure it'd have been nice to have some cushy shit, but it wasn't needed for what we were there for.0 -
I would still like to become an American citizen during his presidency.Please, Pearl Jam, consider a Benaroya Hall vinyl reissue! http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/148993/please-pearl-jam-consider-a-vinyl-benaroya-hall-re-issue0
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Interesting. No pressure at all from establishment politicians, they show themselves by acting the childish bullies they are.
House Democrats boo Sanders
http://wtvr.com/2016/07/06/house-democrats-boo-sanders/
WASHINGTON — House Democrats roughed up Sen. Bernie Sanders in a closed-door session Wednesday after he deflected questions about when he would formally back Hillary Clinton for president, with a group of members booing him at one point, according to three Democrats who attended the meeting.
The vast majority of House Democrats endorsed Clinton’s candidacy early in the primary process, but Sanders was invited to attend the weekly meeting as a courtesy extended to all presidential candidates. When Clinton appeared last month, she was applauded and praised for her commitment to help Democrats regain control of Congress this fall.
Many Democrats have been reluctant to publicly criticize Sanders for continuing his campaign because they want to ensure that the supporters he activated through the long primary contest will come out and vote for the Democratic ticket in November. But some members let out their frustration with the Vermont senator on Wednesday morning, with one member calling Sanders’ appearance before the caucus a “total display of self-obsession.”
During the discussion, Sanders told the group “the goal is not to win elections” and took a dramatic pause, before adding that the aim was to win the battle of ideas, according to multiple sources in the room.
A series of Democrats pressed Sanders to say when he would end his efforts and endorse Clinton and work to unite the party. But after Reps. John Garamendi of California, Mark Takano of California and Joyce Beatty of Ohio, failed to get a concrete answer from the senator, roughly a dozen members booed him inside the room.
A series of Democrats pressed Sanders to say when he would end his efforts and endorse Clinton and work to unite the party. But after Reps. John Garamendi of California, Mark Takano of California and Joyce Beatty of Ohio, failed to get a concrete answer from the senator, roughly a dozen members booed him inside the room.
During one exchange several members chanted “timeline, timeline” when Sanders’ sidestepped a question on when he would back Clinton.
Asked about his message to the House Democratic Caucus, Sanders said as he left the session, “We’ve got to get a large voter turnout. If we get a large voter turnout, Democrats will regain control of the Senate and I believe they’re going to take the House back.”
House Democratic Caucus Chairman Xavier Becerra, who presided over the meeting, said he never heard any boos during the session, but downplayed the dissent, saying the discussion was “animated.” He said members did focus on the need to unify, and Sanders informed House Democrats that Clinton was announcing her support for his approach on college affordability.
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^^^ AKA "Get in line you insubordinates!""It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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Bernie Sanders: This isn't about my ego
http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/bernie-sanders-this-isn-t-about-my-ego-7199667876570 -
Truth! Anybody who thinks it's an ego issue for Bernie hasn't followed his campaign or heard a word he's said.Free said:Bernie Sanders: This isn't about my ego
http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/bernie-sanders-this-isn-t-about-my-ego-719966787657"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Agreed.brianlux said:
Truth! Anybody who thinks it's an ego issue for Bernie hasn't followed his campaign or heard a word he's said.Free said:Bernie Sanders: This isn't about my ego
http://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/bernie-sanders-this-isn-t-about-my-ego-719966787657With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Sanders endorsing on Tuesday in NH
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Why Democrats Should Be Cheering For Bernie Sanders
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/07/08/why-democrats-should-be-cheering-bernie-sandersThere’s been truly horrible news the past couple of days: Google Alton Sterling or Philando Castille if you somehow missed it. And there’s been nasty political news: Donald Trump and his ‘sheriff’s star.’ Those events are, sadly, predictable, and all the more troubling because of that predictability.
Buried in the newsfeed, however, is one event that seems weird — and troubling too, though in a different way. That’s the story that members of the House Democratic caucus booed Bernie Sanders in a meeting on Wednesday.
Really? Booed the guy that 45 percent of Democrats supported in the primary? Booed the guy that all year long has been the most favorably viewed politician in America? Booed the guy that got more votes from young people in the primaries than Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump combined?
I suppose I shouldn’t have been surprised. The boo-ers, anonymously, told reporters that they didn’t like the fact that he hadn’t yet officially endorsed Hillary Clinton, that he was continuing to press for changes to the platform. If all you care about is getting reelected, then this insistence on issues is annoying. But it’s precisely the thing that’s drawn people to Bernie in such numbers.
I’ve spent a good deal of the past year volunteering for Bernie, most recently as one of the five people he named as his representatives to the platform drafting committee. That means I’ve gotten to travel to a number of his rallies, always filled with cheering people. They’re not there because he’s so much fun to listen to: his talks are 90-minute lectures about issues. There’s nothing focus-grouped; it’s more like a classroom. And that’s what people liked, because those issues actually matter to people’s lives.
His willingness to keep fighting for those issues is a great favor to the Democratic party. In the last few days the Clinton campaign has acceded to his suggestion of free public college for most students — and in the process they’ve built a bridge to alienated young voters. It’s possible that the rural, working-class voters who backed Sanders as they’ve backed no Democrat for decades might actually be swayed away from Trump if she’ll do the same thing on the TPP trade agreement. One other huge issue left unaddressed, an issue with huge generational implications: climate change, where Bernie is still pushing as he has for many years.
The point of politics, as Bernie explained, is not to win elections; it’s to win change. But the odd thing is, he’s done both. Coming from nowhere, against the entire party establishment, backed by virtually none of the House members who now insist he sit down and shut up, he came within a whisker of winning the nomination. You would think they’d show, if nothing else, some respect for his political ability.
Especially since that political ability lies in making a deep, real connection with voters. When Democratic politicians jeer him, they jeer those voters, which is a kind of political malpractice. I doubt Bernie cares very much, but the rest of us care.
This is a strange, unpredictable election. Bernie is doing everything he can to make sure the Democrats win, because in 2016 that requires paying attention to the things people care about. The platform, thanks to Bernie, is strong, and it’s getting stronger. Strong enough, maybe, to rescue the very people who are booing.0 -
How interesting and strategic... Bernie gives himself a few days to decide the Hillary thing and Jill Stein offers to have him lead the Green Party. Today.Cliffy6745 said:Sanders endorsing on Tuesday in NH
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Said another way, Jill Stein offers the election to Donald Trump.Free said:
How interesting and strategic... Bernie gives himself a few days to decide the Hillary thing and Jill Stein offers to have him lead the Green Party. Today.Cliffy6745 said:Sanders endorsing on Tuesday in NH
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What ever you want to believe.mrussel1 said:
Said another way, Jill Stein offers the election to Donald Trump.Free said:
How interesting and strategic... Bernie gives himself a few days to decide the Hillary thing and Jill Stein offers to have him lead the Green Party. Today.Cliffy6745 said:Sanders endorsing on Tuesday in NH
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Definitely a real possibility. Luckily, Bernie knows that too.mrussel1 said:
Said another way, Jill Stein offers the election to Donald Trump.Free said:
How interesting and strategic... Bernie gives himself a few days to decide the Hillary thing and Jill Stein offers to have him lead the Green Party. Today.Cliffy6745 said:Sanders endorsing on Tuesday in NH
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
How can you think splitting the left vote doesn't, at best, send the election to the House, which is controlled by the GOP?Free said:
What ever you want to believe.mrussel1 said:
Said another way, Jill Stein offers the election to Donald Trump.Free said:
How interesting and strategic... Bernie gives himself a few days to decide the Hillary thing and Jill Stein offers to have him lead the Green Party. Today.Cliffy6745 said:Sanders endorsing on Tuesday in NH
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