Canadian Politics Redux

1ThoughtKnown · May 2016

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

northerndragon said:
The NDP MP who physically used her body to block someone from performing their job and as a result was accidentally elbowed in the boob calling it "molestation" or "assult" and received medical attention(what did the medic kiss her booboo better) is an asinine twat.
You wanted to be treated equally fucking suck it up princess, you just were. Seriously grow the fuck up, you want to use your body in a physical manner then you have to be willing to accept all the possible consequences of such actions, and crying girly girl after the fact is bullshit.
I say this as both a woman and an NDP supporter.
I'm glad someone else said this first.

Initiate physical contact... then cry when physical contact occurs.

Some people are so lame.
Attitudes like these are exactly why NDPers will never be in a position to lead the country.
Go Trudeau!
Those morons were as childish as could be: clumped up, purposely blocking the aisle, stupid little grins on their faces as they did it, laughing "giggity giggity", and then indignant once Trudeau waded into them and spoiled their stupid fun.

Come to think of it... Trudeau exercised great restraint. By rights, he should have slapped a few of them- it's what they were asking for. What an outstanding display of leadership- the guy never disappoints!

Now Trudeau out of your statement and insert Harper or Mulroney or Joe Who or Diefenbaker.
Would you still feel the same way given the exact same situation with the exact same circumstances?

Say that woman (the NDPer) was your wife, daughter, sister, niece. Would you still say "she deserved it"?

Say that happened at her place of work. Knowing what I know about human rights and the very broad definition of harassment in the workplace, she has every right to feel the way she does. If that action made her uncomfortable it is unacceptable.

Debate the laws all you want, but it is what makes our country a civilized place to work and live. Harassment is not easily defined. I could be offended by what someone did to SOMEONE ELSE in the workplace, despite the fact it did not bother them.

Trudeau was waaaay out of line. I have never witnessed anything like that in the "boardroom" or meeting of any company I worked for. If I did witness such boorish behaviour, I would take my skills elsewhere.

Sunny ways sunny ways. Perhaps some of you will read this with some objectivity. If anyone did this, I would object vehemently to their actions.

1ThoughtKnown · May 2016

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
^^^
Did you post this because you agree or just presenting another persons opinion?

I agree with most of the sentiment and Rodger is not anti-Trudeau. He isn't on Rebel Media (which is fun to watch and read too) He specifically talks of something he disagreed with Harper on. They are pretty fair in doling out criticism.

dignin · May 2016

1ThoughtKnown said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

northerndragon said:
The NDP MP who physically used her body to block someone from performing their job and as a result was accidentally elbowed in the boob calling it "molestation" or "assult" and received medical attention(what did the medic kiss her booboo better) is an asinine twat.
You wanted to be treated equally fucking suck it up princess, you just were. Seriously grow the fuck up, you want to use your body in a physical manner then you have to be willing to accept all the possible consequences of such actions, and crying girly girl after the fact is bullshit.
I say this as both a woman and an NDP supporter.
I'm glad someone else said this first.

Initiate physical contact... then cry when physical contact occurs.

Some people are so lame.
Attitudes like these are exactly why NDPers will never be in a position to lead the country.
Go Trudeau!
Those morons were as childish as could be: clumped up, purposely blocking the aisle, stupid little grins on their faces as they did it, laughing "giggity giggity", and then indignant once Trudeau waded into them and spoiled their stupid fun.

Come to think of it... Trudeau exercised great restraint. By rights, he should have slapped a few of them- it's what they were asking for. What an outstanding display of leadership- the guy never disappoints!
Now Trudeau out of your statement and insert Harper or Mulroney or Joe Who or Diefenbaker.
Would you still feel the same way given the exact same situation with the exact same circumstances?

Say that woman (the NDPer) was your wife, daughter, sister, niece. Would you still say "she deserved it"?

Say that happened at her place of work. Knowing what I know about human rights and the very broad definition of harassment in the workplace, she has every right to feel the way she does. If that action made her uncomfortable it is unacceptable.

Debate the laws all you want, but it is what makes our country a civilized place to work and live. Harassment is not easily defined. I could be offended by what someone did to SOMEONE ELSE in the workplace, despite the fact it did not bother them.

Trudeau was waaaay out of line. I have never witnessed anything like that in the "boardroom" or meeting of any company I worked for. If I did witness such boorish behaviour, I would take my skills elsewhere.

Sunny ways sunny ways. Perhaps some of you will read this with some objectivity. If anyone did this, I would object vehemently to their actions.

I agree he was way out of lineand acted like an idiot. But you cannot compare the house to a boardroom.....these guys scream and yell at each other daily, they act like a bunch of children. In what boardroom would some people get up and try and block other people from moving around.

I just don't know what else people want from the PM. He has apologized probably a dozen times by now. He can't be charged with anything. He can't be forced to step down (nor do I think he should). Everything else at this point is feigned outrage and trying to score political points. The opposition just look like a bunch of idiots dragging this out.....I say that as someone who voted and supports the NDP. It's time to move on, the longer the opposition harps on this the worse they look and the better Trudeau looks.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · May 2016

1ThoughtKnown said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

northerndragon said:
The NDP MP who physically used her body to block someone from performing their job and as a result was accidentally elbowed in the boob calling it "molestation" or "assult" and received medical attention(what did the medic kiss her booboo better) is an asinine twat.
You wanted to be treated equally fucking suck it up princess, you just were. Seriously grow the fuck up, you want to use your body in a physical manner then you have to be willing to accept all the possible consequences of such actions, and crying girly girl after the fact is bullshit.
I say this as both a woman and an NDP supporter.
I'm glad someone else said this first.

Initiate physical contact... then cry when physical contact occurs.

Some people are so lame.
Attitudes like these are exactly why NDPers will never be in a position to lead the country.
Go Trudeau!
Those morons were as childish as could be: clumped up, purposely blocking the aisle, stupid little grins on their faces as they did it, laughing "giggity giggity", and then indignant once Trudeau waded into them and spoiled their stupid fun.

Come to think of it... Trudeau exercised great restraint. By rights, he should have slapped a few of them- it's what they were asking for. What an outstanding display of leadership- the guy never disappoints!
Now Trudeau out of your statement and insert Harper or Mulroney or Joe Who or Diefenbaker.
Would you still feel the same way given the exact same situation with the exact same circumstances?

Say that woman (the NDPer) was your wife, daughter, sister, niece. Would you still say "she deserved it"?

Say that happened at her place of work. Knowing what I know about human rights and the very broad definition of harassment in the workplace, she has every right to feel the way she does. If that action made her uncomfortable it is unacceptable.

Debate the laws all you want, but it is what makes our country a civilized place to work and live. Harassment is not easily defined. I could be offended by what someone did to SOMEONE ELSE in the workplace, despite the fact it did not bother them.

Trudeau was waaaay out of line. I have never witnessed anything like that in the "boardroom" or meeting of any company I worked for. If I did witness such boorish behaviour, I would take my skills elsewhere.

Sunny ways sunny ways. Perhaps some of you will read this with some objectivity. If anyone did this, I would object vehemently to their actions.

If you go through my post in history... you'll find some consistencies. One of the most recurring consistencies is that one reaps what they sow.

If you act like an idiot and get treated like an idiot... you got what you deserved.

Those idiots thought that the setting would afford them a safe place to act like dickheads- basically neglecting good behaviour, but then expecting it.

You're talking as if he shoved the woman. This was far from that. In fact, if you can look objectively, you'll note that he wasn't even dealing with her- she got elbowed 'slightly' as she played her part in the human blockade.

Not to drudge through the past too much, but don't play too high and mighty- we've seen some of your behaviour on this forum which places you in a spot where you likely shouldn't be talking too loudly about the need to be civilized.

If you can have your moments, others can have theirs.

1ThoughtKnown · May 2016

^^^^

How I conduct myself in an Internet forum (which I do not take a seriously as you I am thinking) or at a bar or a sporting event is far different from how I act in the work place. Harassment laws in the workplace ensure that (as do my own professional aspirations

) So comparing the two is moot.

The thing is, you never really read my post. He shouted obscenities and physically moved someone. This is not behaviour I would expect from anyone in the workplace, let alone the PM. And I am convinced your opinion would not be the same if the EXACT same scenario happened, but it was Stephen Harper.

The real issue is the Liberals are trying to block debate of their bills in the House. When the vote wasn't going fast enough he got upset and started screaming obscenities. It is a bit troubling to me. The pressure of fulfilling all his campaign promises is getting to him.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · May 2016

1ThoughtKnown said:
^^^^

How I conduct myself in an Internet forum (which I do not take a seriously as you I am thinking) or at a bar or a sporting event is far different from how I act in the work place. Harassment laws in the workplace ensure that (as do my own professional aspirations ) So comparing the two is moot.

The thing is, you never really read my post. He shouted obscenities and physically moved someone. This is not behaviour I would expect from anyone in the workplace, let alone the PM. And I am convinced your opinion would not be the same if the EXACT same scenario happened, but it was Stephen Harper.

The real issue is the Liberals are trying to block debate of their bills in the House. When the vote wasn't going fast enough he got upset and started screaming obscenities. It is a bit troubling to me. The pressure of fulfilling all his campaign promises is getting to him.

I hear what you're saying and it's fair... although I'm not with you in your last paragraph.

I'm also not going to admit to reacting any differently if it was Harper though. The only thing I'd say in that event is that there were some people that missed an opportunity to smack him lol!

northerndragon · May 2016

It's warm and sunny in northern BC. A beautiful May long weekend for being out in the yard, having some beers on the deck and BBQing. It's a nice change after the crap weather back east during the tour.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · May 2016

northerndragon said:
It's warm and sunny in northern BC. A beautiful May long weekend for being out in the yard, having some beers on the deck and BBQing. It's a nice change after the crap weather back east during the tour.

Wtf?

The Okanagan is brutal.

I thought we saved the crappy weather for you guys?

dignin · May 2016

Heavy snow here in Calgary right meow. But I would expect nothing less on May Long.

northerndragon · May 2016

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

northerndragon said:
It's warm and sunny in northern BC. A beautiful May long weekend for being out in the yard, having some beers on the deck and BBQing. It's a nice change after the crap weather back east during the tour.
Wtf?

The Okanagan is brutal.

I thought we saved the crappy weather for you guys?

You usually do but we marked it return to sender. Looks like it has arrived.

PJ_Soul · May 2016

1ThoughtKnown said:
^^^^

How I conduct myself in an Internet forum (which I do not take a seriously as you I am thinking) or at a bar or a sporting event is far different from how I act in the work place. Harassment laws in the workplace ensure that (as do my own professional aspirations ) So comparing the two is moot.

The thing is, you never really read my post. He shouted obscenities and physically moved someone. This is not behaviour I would expect from anyone in the workplace, let alone the PM. And I am convinced your opinion would not be the same if the EXACT same scenario happened, but it was Stephen Harper.

The real issue is the Liberals are trying to block debate of their bills in the House. When the vote wasn't going fast enough he got upset and started screaming obscenities. It is a bit troubling to me. The pressure of fulfilling all his campaign promises is getting to him.

My opinion would be exactly the same. Trudeau did nothing wrong, and Harper wouldn't have either. Trudeau went to get that dude out of that ridiculous crowd that was blocking him. And accidentally bumped someone. What exactly do you think we would be so appalled by if it had been Harper? If anything, I would have been impressed if Harper of all people did such a thing.

lukin2006 · May 2016

Trudeau defends Nickelback, taking in Syrian refugees in Daily Show interview

http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/trudeau-daily-show-refugees-nickelback-1.3594463

Defending nickelback...time for a recall...lol

PJfanwillneverleave1 · May 2016

He loves Backspacer too!
Go Trudeau!

Thirty Bills Unpaid · May 2016

lukin2006 said:
Trudeau defends Nickelback, taking in Syrian refugees in Daily Show interview

http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/trudeau-daily-show-refugees-nickelback-1.3594463

Defending nickelback...time for a recall...lol

Oh Christ.

Can't wait for 1Thought's Trudeau shredding post relevant to this lol. Us Trudeau lovers are defenceless.

PJ_Soul · May 2016

lukin2006 said:
Trudeau defends Nickelback, taking in Syrian refugees in Daily Show interview

http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/trudeau-daily-show-refugees-nickelback-1.3594463

Defending nickelback...time for a recall...lol

1ThoughtKnown · May 2016

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

lukin2006 said:
Trudeau defends Nickelback, taking in Syrian refugees in Daily Show interview

http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/trudeau-daily-show-refugees-nickelback-1.3594463

Defending nickelback...time for a recall...lol
Oh Christ.

Can't wait for 1Thought's Trudeau shredding post relevant to this lol. Us Trudeau lovers are defenceless.

Actually, I am not a Nickelback hater...
JT is alright. Why didn't he defend Rush?

lukin2006 · May 2016

Rejoice! Harper will be leaving politics by the fall. So where does he rate...my guess, not very high on the list of former prime ministers. He did do a few things I didn't mind ... that was very early on in his minority mandate. Once he got a majority he was like all the rest.

1ThoughtKnown · May 2016

^^^

He will,be remembered for all the bad things and none of the good things.

This is no one's fault but his own.

lukin2006 · May 2016

1ThoughtKnown said:
^^^

He will,be remembered for all the bad things and none of the good things.

This is no one's fault but his own.

Agreed,

PJ_Soul · May 2016

A little news tidbit: Kevin Vickers (former House sergeant-at-arms who shot the attacker at the Canadian Parliament in 2014) drags protester away at ceremony honouring British soldiers in Ireland. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/kevin-vickers-protester-dublin-1.3601127?cid=

Interesting. The headline says he tackled the guy, but if you watch the video, he didn't tackle him at all. He just pulled him away, and quite neatly at that. I don't feel like he did anything wrong myself. Some obviously think he did, suggesting it's not his job. Well, no, as Ambassador, it wasn't his job, that's absolutely true. My reaction to that is basically "so?". Some also have an issue because they think the protestor had a good point and was exercising his right to freedom of speech .... Well, yes. The protestor probably did have a good point. I think that such a ceremony in Ireland is kind of tasteless at best. All that said, I still don't think that Vickers really did anything wrong. He didn't hurt the guy, he just shut down a person who was trying to interrupt a ceremony honouring the dead, in a cemetery. I think that people interrupting such an event shouldn't expect to just stand there and have their say. That's not realistic. Peacefully protesting mass gatherings is one thing, but very directly interrupting a ceremony or a speech is quite another, and I NEVER expect someone to get away with that kind of thing. While they have their right to free speech, so does the person the protestor is trying to stop from speaking. All in all, Vickers' reaction seems appropriate to me, albeit surprising (and kind of amusing), and it seems like Vickers just reacted instinctively, like he was perhaps trained to do, despite his new official role, and that is more fascinating than anything else. This man is kind of a badass, and I don't even think he's trying to be.

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