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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    That whole issue from my understanding was the dippers trying to hold up or delay the vote on bill c-14 (assisted dying bill). Trudeau apologized ... Time to move on and I believe Ms. May through a series of tweets sided with Trudeau ... And she is very credible.

    Yeah, frankly, I don't blame Trudeau for getting that frustrated with the stupidity and bullshit. He obviously should have contained it better, but still, I get it.
    PJ, Absolutely ... I understand the bill is far from perfect, but this bill has to be in place and law by June 6th ... so it has to get passed in parliament and through the senate, if not passed there would be no law at all ... what do the NDP and Conservatives prefer? In the end this is really a problem created by the conservatives that they never dealt with. And the Alberta Supreme has ruled the law violate the charter in some way, so get some sort of law in place and proceed with caution and i'm sure in time the law will be amended.
    So this behaviour when used is acceptable to pass legislation?
    No, it shouldn't be happening and no one said that it's acceptable. Not on anyone's part (at least Trudeau apologized, which you can't say about the others involved as far I know, who were the bigger idiots in this scenario). But it did happen, and most people don't really care, asides from the fact that opposition is trying to stall something that most of us fully support and want to have ready by the deadline. Hopefully they all settle down and get this legislation passed ASAP so that people can stop suffering.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    PJ_Soul said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    That whole issue from my understanding was the dippers trying to hold up or delay the vote on bill c-14 (assisted dying bill). Trudeau apologized ... Time to move on and I believe Ms. May through a series of tweets sided with Trudeau ... And she is very credible.

    Yeah, frankly, I don't blame Trudeau for getting that frustrated with the stupidity and bullshit. He obviously should have contained it better, but still, I get it.
    PJ, Absolutely ... I understand the bill is far from perfect, but this bill has to be in place and law by June 6th ... so it has to get passed in parliament and through the senate, if not passed there would be no law at all ... what do the NDP and Conservatives prefer? In the end this is really a problem created by the conservatives that they never dealt with. And the Alberta Supreme has ruled the law violate the charter in some way, so get some sort of law in place and proceed with caution and i'm sure in time the law will be amended.
    So this behaviour when used is acceptable to pass legislation?
    No, it shouldn't be happening and no one said that it's acceptable. Not on anyone's part (at least Trudeau apologized, which you can't say about the others involved as far I know, who were the bigger idiots in this scenario). But it did happen, and most people don't really care, asides from the fact that opposition is trying to stall something that most of us fully support and want to have ready by the deadline. Hopefully they all settle down and get this legislation passed ASAP so that people can stop suffering.
    Well said
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    PJ_Soul said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    That whole issue from my understanding was the dippers trying to hold up or delay the vote on bill c-14 (assisted dying bill). Trudeau apologized ... Time to move on and I believe Ms. May through a series of tweets sided with Trudeau ... And she is very credible.

    Yeah, frankly, I don't blame Trudeau for getting that frustrated with the stupidity and bullshit. He obviously should have contained it better, but still, I get it.
    PJ, Absolutely ... I understand the bill is far from perfect, but this bill has to be in place and law by June 6th ... so it has to get passed in parliament and through the senate, if not passed there would be no law at all ... what do the NDP and Conservatives prefer? In the end this is really a problem created by the conservatives that they never dealt with. And the Alberta Supreme has ruled the law violate the charter in some way, so get some sort of law in place and proceed with caution and i'm sure in time the law will be amended.
    So this behaviour when used is acceptable to pass legislation?
    No, it shouldn't be happening and no one said that it's acceptable. Not on anyone's part (at least Trudeau apologized, which you can't say about the others involved as far I know, who were the bigger idiots in this scenario). But it did happen, and most people don't really care, asides from the fact that opposition is trying to stall something that most of us fully support and want to have ready by the deadline. Hopefully they all settle down and get this legislation passed ASAP so that people can stop suffering.
    So any time a bill that's opposed and really wants expedition this behaviour can be used since no one cares and nothing will come of this.
    A sorry is all that is needed?
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    dignin said:

    Entire NDP caucus arrive in neck braces, wheelchairs to House of Commons after Trudeau's assault

    http://www.thebeaverton.com/national/item/2690-entire-ndp-caucus-arrive-in-neck-braces-wheelchairs-to-house-of-commons-after-trudeau-s-assault

    What Trudeau did was stupid but Mulcairs reaction to it was just as stupid. The Conservatives were the only ones who weren't embarrassing themselves.

    image

    I know there trying to be funny ... Personally very inappropriate. Maybe if the cons dealt with issue while in office and stopped be so judgemental these events likely never take place ... So in the end they are somewhat responsible.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    That whole issue from my understanding was the dippers trying to hold up or delay the vote on bill c-14 (assisted dying bill). Trudeau apologized ... Time to move on and I believe Ms. May through a series of tweets sided with Trudeau ... And she is very credible.

    Yeah, frankly, I don't blame Trudeau for getting that frustrated with the stupidity and bullshit. He obviously should have contained it better, but still, I get it.
    PJ, Absolutely ... I understand the bill is far from perfect, but this bill has to be in place and law by June 6th ... so it has to get passed in parliament and through the senate, if not passed there would be no law at all ... what do the NDP and Conservatives prefer? In the end this is really a problem created by the conservatives that they never dealt with. And the Alberta Supreme has ruled the law violate the charter in some way, so get some sort of law in place and proceed with caution and i'm sure in time the law will be amended.
    So this behaviour when used is acceptable to pass legislation?
    I never said
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    That whole issue from my understanding was the dippers trying to hold up or delay the vote on bill c-14 (assisted dying bill). Trudeau apologized ... Time to move on and I believe Ms. May through a series of tweets sided with Trudeau ... And she is very credible.

    Yeah, frankly, I don't blame Trudeau for getting that frustrated with the stupidity and bullshit. He obviously should have contained it better, but still, I get it.
    PJ, Absolutely ... I understand the bill is far from perfect, but this bill has to be in place and law by June 6th ... so it has to get passed in parliament and through the senate, if not passed there would be no law at all ... what do the NDP and Conservatives prefer? In the end this is really a problem created by the conservatives that they never dealt with. And the Alberta Supreme has ruled the law violate the charter in some way, so get some sort of law in place and proceed with caution and i'm sure in time the law will be amended.
    So this behaviour when used is acceptable to pass legislation?
    No, it shouldn't be happening and no one said that it's acceptable. Not on anyone's part (at least Trudeau apologized, which you can't say about the others involved as far I know, who were the bigger idiots in this scenario). But it did happen, and most people don't really care, asides from the fact that opposition is trying to stall something that most of us fully support and want to have ready by the deadline. Hopefully they all settle down and get this legislation passed ASAP so that people can stop suffering.
    So any time a bill that's opposed and really wants expedition this behaviour can be used since no one cares and nothing will come of this.
    A sorry is all that is needed?
    Is that really what you got out of my post?? If so, there isn't any point in discussing this with you.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited May 2016
    PJ_Soul said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    That whole issue from my understanding was the dippers trying to hold up or delay the vote on bill c-14 (assisted dying bill). Trudeau apologized ... Time to move on and I believe Ms. May through a series of tweets sided with Trudeau ... And she is very credible.

    Yeah, frankly, I don't blame Trudeau for getting that frustrated with the stupidity and bullshit. He obviously should have contained it better, but still, I get it.
    PJ, Absolutely ... I understand the bill is far from perfect, but this bill has to be in place and law by June 6th ... so it has to get passed in parliament and through the senate, if not passed there would be no law at all ... what do the NDP and Conservatives prefer? In the end this is really a problem created by the conservatives that they never dealt with. And the Alberta Supreme has ruled the law violate the charter in some way, so get some sort of law in place and proceed with caution and i'm sure in time the law will be amended.
    So this behaviour when used is acceptable to pass legislation?
    No, it shouldn't be happening and no one said that it's acceptable. Not on anyone's part (at least Trudeau apologized, which you can't say about the others involved as far I know, who were the bigger idiots in this scenario). But it did happen, and most people don't really care, asides from the fact that opposition is trying to stall something that most of us fully support and want to have ready by the deadline. Hopefully they all settle down and get this legislation passed ASAP so that people can stop suffering.
    So any time a bill that's opposed and really wants expedition this behaviour can be used since no one cares and nothing will come of this.
    A sorry is all that is needed?
    Is that really what you got out of my post?? If so, there isn't any point in discussing this with you.
    So we have a member that got physical with the opposition and bigger idiots than this too?
    Who?
    If I was in the opposing party and a teammate had unwanted physical contact by an authoritative figure it would upset me.
    I'm pretty sure behaviour like this is not allowed in the workplace and people do care.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    lukin2006 said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    That whole issue from my understanding was the dippers trying to hold up or delay the vote on bill c-14 (assisted dying bill). Trudeau apologized ... Time to move on and I believe Ms. May through a series of tweets sided with Trudeau ... And she is very credible.

    Yeah, frankly, I don't blame Trudeau for getting that frustrated with the stupidity and bullshit. He obviously should have contained it better, but still, I get it.
    PJ, Absolutely ... I understand the bill is far from perfect, but this bill has to be in place and law by June 6th ... so it has to get passed in parliament and through the senate, if not passed there would be no law at all ... what do the NDP and Conservatives prefer? In the end this is really a problem created by the conservatives that they never dealt with. And the Alberta Supreme has ruled the law violate the charter in some way, so get some sort of law in place and proceed with caution and i'm sure in time the law will be amended.
    So this behaviour when used is acceptable to pass legislation?
    I never said
    But this behaviour was used to expedite the goals of the majority.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited May 2016
    For most of us, if we grabbed a colleague by the elbow and pulled him forcibly into say a conference room, we'd be unemployed by days end.

    But the relationship between the Liberals and Canada's media being what it is, we can look forward to a series of opinion pieces explaining to the unwashed masses that it was all "no big deal," then chastising us for even talking about it.
    Post edited by PJfanwillneverleave1 on
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    I don't think tbe media is doibgbwhat you're suggesting. I think people are justbseeing the video and judging for themselves. This was not anything close to assault or abuse, and reasonable people recognize that. Everyone knows the PM shouldn't have done it, including the PM. That's it. He apologized, and i can't think of anything else that should or could happen besides moving on. What are you arguing for exactly? Wtf do you want to happen? You want the PM removed from office or what? :lol:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^
    Are you free to grab a persons arm whenever you want to and lead them away?
    Your work or in public?
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited May 2016
    PJ_Soul said:

    I don't think tbe media is doibgbwhat you're suggesting. I think people are justbseeing the video and judging for themselves. This was not anything close to assault or abuse, and reasonable people recognize that. Everyone knows the PM shouldn't have done it, including the PM. That's it. He apologized, and i can't think of anything else that should or could happen besides moving on. What are you arguing for exactly? Wtf do you want to happen? You want the PM removed from office or what? :lol:

    Are you free to grab a persons arm whenever you want to and lead them away?
    Your work or in public?

    edit - I double posted before you edit yours.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    You see ... Imo your attitude is somewhat baffeling. What do you want to come from it? Charges? He apologized, move on ... I do not think any harm was meant...and I'm not a Trudeau supporter, but I do recognize the importance of the legislation and pressure to get said legislation passed by the deadline or there is no law at all.

    Don't think you'll be happy no matter ...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    lukin2006 said:

    You see ... Imo your attitude is somewhat baffeling. What do you want to come from it? Charges? He apologized, move on ... I do not think any harm was meant...and I'm not a Trudeau supporter, but I do recognize the importance of the legislation and pressure to get said legislation passed by the deadline or there is no law at all.

    Don't think you'll be happy no matter ...

    So next time this happens an apology is fine and no harm meant?
    Every govt wants to speed along their bills but when you exercise your point physically is not the way to go.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I don't think tbe media is doibgbwhat you're suggesting. I think people are justbseeing the video and judging for themselves. This was not anything close to assault or abuse, and reasonable people recognize that. Everyone knows the PM shouldn't have done it, including the PM. That's it. He apologized, and i can't think of anything else that should or could happen besides moving on. What are you arguing for exactly? Wtf do you want to happen? You want the PM removed from office or what? :lol:

    Are you free to grab a persons arm whenever you want to and lead them away?
    Your work or in public?

    edit - I double posted before you edit yours.
    Free to grab an arm? ... well, yeah, I guess I am. It's not illegal to take ahold of a person's arm I'm pretty sure. Fuck, I've been in crazier board meetings than that. Besides, why are there people suddenly expecting these folks to act like they work in an office? These MPs sit there fucking screaming at each other and hurling insults across the floor for hours on end on a regular basis. All of a sudden they are ex0ected to be held to the same standards as employees in office? Gimme a break.
    But besides that, weird shit goes down in workplaces all day every day. This isn't that big a deal IMO.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^
    Okey, dokey.
    No big deal then.
    Have a good night.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    edited May 2016
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Okey, dokey.
    No big deal then.
    Have a good night.

    Right. It happened. Weird scene. Time to move on.
    But you didn't answer my question: what is it you want to happen??

    (FWIW, I would be saying the same if it had been Harper, except I would also be in shock because he actually showed an emotion, lol)

    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    Lol, just turned on the news and they called it "elbowgate". :lol:
    I am just looking forward to this bill being passed. Can't wait for this story to get out of the news.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    PJ_Soul said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I don't think tbe media is doibgbwhat you're suggesting. I think people are justbseeing the video and judging for themselves. This was not anything close to assault or abuse, and reasonable people recognize that. Everyone knows the PM shouldn't have done it, including the PM. That's it. He apologized, and i can't think of anything else that should or could happen besides moving on. What are you arguing for exactly? Wtf do you want to happen? You want the PM removed from office or what? :lol:

    Are you free to grab a persons arm whenever you want to and lead them away?
    Your work or in public?

    edit - I double posted before you edit yours.
    Free to grab an arm? ... well, yeah, I guess I am. It's not illegal to take ahold of a person's arm I'm pretty sure. Fuck, I've been in crazier board meetings than that. Besides, why are there people suddenly expecting these folks to act like they work in an office? These MPs sit there fucking screaming at each other and hurling insults across the floor for hours on end on a regular basis. All of a sudden they are ex0ected to be held to the same standards as employees in office? Gimme a break.
    But besides that, weird shit goes down in workplaces all day every day. This isn't that big a deal IMO.
    This made me laugh ... good points, great stuff.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    PJ_Soul said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Okey, dokey.
    No big deal then.
    Have a good night.

    Right. It happened. Weird scene. Time to move on.
    But you didn't answer my question: what is it you want to happen??

    (FWIW, I would be saying the same if it had been Harper, except I would also be in shock because he actually showed an emotion, lol)

    Somehow I don't picture harper ever being involved in this type of incidence, like you said no emotion.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon

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