Pearl Jam Cancels 4/20 Raleigh, NC Concert in Opposition to HB2; Official Band Statement

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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    Way to be a bully.

    The people have the power....until they vote in people that PJ and Bruce don't like. Then, fuck those people PJ and Bruce say.
  • athenssmile
    athenssmile Posts: 159

    Proud to be a fan of this band today. Ashamed to be a part of this fan base. I get it. I would be upset too. We all look so forward to these shows. But the selfishness and childishness is ridiculous. The band is not punishing you. You are collateral damage. It sucks. It's just that the band thinks the civil rights of others are more important than your concert. End story. It's also unfortunate to see tough life lessons being learned about purchasing non-refundable rooms and flights to an event that can very much be cancelled. Hopefully this law gets fixed and someday they come back and make everyone happy.

    Please don't speak to me about this being an opportunity to learn a life lesson about purchasing non-refundable rooms and flights. Being someone who isn't what one would consider rich, I got a room I could afford and it is non-refundable. I purchased the hotel room and tickets to this show because Pearl Jam told me they were coming to perform in an arena that I could reasonably drive to. I trusted that they would show.
    The life lesson I teach my children is that when they make a commitment to someone, they follow through with it. I tell them it doesn't matter that the referee is unfair, that it is cold outside, that the other team cheats. They made a promise to their teammates that they would show up and they will be there for them. They will go and play their hardest, show good sportsmanship, be an example of the behavior they want to see from others. Pearl Jam could have done this, too. We are part of their team. Get us to that show and tell us what we can do to make a difference. What a missed opportunity for them. They could have educated a group of people who love them and will do almost anything they ask. They let their team down.
    Selfish and childish is what you are calling the fans who are upset with their decision? I think you are off base. Yes, I understand this law discriminates, but I don't believe that cancelling this concert is going to get this law repealed next week. All it has done is leave a bad taste in the mouths of their fans who have been planning for this show for months. My enthusiasm for them has faded. I don't think I'm being selfish and childish when I say that they let me down. They didn't have faith in me. They didn't trust that they could use me and everyone else in that arena to change the law by bringing us together for their show.
    I spoke with my dad yesterday, who had wondered if Pearl Jam had cancelled the show. I told him no, they hadn't. I also mistakenly told him that with it being this close to the show, there is no way they would do this to their fans. I explained that Ed would use this show as a platform to speak about this law. He would see it as an opportunity to educate. That they recognized their fans had made travel arrangements, taken off from work, spent money, and were emotionally invested in the upcoming show. They wouldn't do this at this point. Really looking forward to calling my dad.
    well, fuckers, he still stands
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    vp20 said:

    Hope the state of Illinois doesn't do anything stupid in the next 4 months....

    Let's see how this whole thing shakes out:
    http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/chicago-police-board-releases-accountability-task-force-report/
  • HoosierJam
    HoosierJam Posts: 104
    pjalive21 said:

    october22 said:

    . But I guess they just couldn't resist the trendy freak-out over anything concerning LGBT at the moment.

    nailed it!!!

    Proud to be a fan of this band today. Ashamed to be a part of this fan base. I get it. I would be upset too. We all look so forward to these shows. But the selfishness and childishness is ridiculous. The band is not punishing you. You are collateral damage. It sucks. It's just that the band thinks the civil rights of others are more important than your concert. End story. It's also unfortunate to see tough life lessons being learned about purchasing non-refundable rooms and flights to an event that can very much be cancelled. Hopefully this law gets fixed and someday they come back and make everyone happy.

    Bands are paid to play music...I know they are political and always have been, but since when it punishing a fan base that made you who you are beneficial to them? Without us Ed would still be pumping gas somewhere for minimum wage

    I have my own brain cells to be locked into social issues and don't need someone preaching to me or teaching me a lesson on what side to take especially rock bands

    they should refund everyone who had hotels and air flights all their money back
    pjalive21 said:

    october22 said:

    . But I guess they just couldn't resist the trendy freak-out over anything concerning LGBT at the moment.

    nailed it!!!

    Proud to be a fan of this band today. Ashamed to be a part of this fan base. I get it. I would be upset too. We all look so forward to these shows. But the selfishness and childishness is ridiculous. The band is not punishing you. You are collateral damage. It sucks. It's just that the band thinks the civil rights of others are more important than your concert. End story. It's also unfortunate to see tough life lessons being learned about purchasing non-refundable rooms and flights to an event that can very much be cancelled. Hopefully this law gets fixed and someday they come back and make everyone happy.

    Bands are paid to play music...I know they are political and always have been, but since when it punishing a fan base that made you who you are beneficial to them? Without us Ed would still be pumping gas somewhere for minimum wage

    I have my own brain cells to be locked into social issues and don't need someone preaching to me or teaching me a lesson on what side to take especially rock bands

    they should refund everyone who had hotels and air flights all their money back
    pjalive21 said:

    october22 said:

    . But I guess they just couldn't resist the trendy freak-out over anything concerning LGBT at the moment.

    nailed it!!!

    Proud to be a fan of this band today. Ashamed to be a part of this fan base. I get it. I would be upset too. We all look so forward to these shows. But the selfishness and childishness is ridiculous. The band is not punishing you. You are collateral damage. It sucks. It's just that the band thinks the civil rights of others are more important than your concert. End story. It's also unfortunate to see tough life lessons being learned about purchasing non-refundable rooms and flights to an event that can very much be cancelled. Hopefully this law gets fixed and someday they come back and make everyone happy.

    Bands are paid to play music...I know they are political and always have been, but since when it punishing a fan base that made you who you are beneficial to them? Without us Ed would still be pumping gas somewhere for minimum wage

    I have my own brain cells to be locked into social issues and don't need someone preaching to me or teaching me a lesson on what side to take especially rock bands

    they should refund everyone who had hotels and air flights all their money back
    You seem to have a pretty strong stance about them canceling. Guessing that you will also go all out for something you so strongly believe in and not attend any other shows this tour you have tickets, reservations, etc. for????? It's everyone's right to be upset. It's everyone's right to protest however they want. Let's see all of you f' youing the band not show up for the rest of your shows or buy anything.
    nothing as it seems.....
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    ComeToTX said:

    mickeyrat said:

    I get it. But a real dick move 2 days before the show. This bill was passed on march 23rd. It fucking april 18th. You annopunce today its canceled? Wtf.

    Because this issue probably wasn't on Pearl Jam's radar until Bruce Springsteen cancelled his show.
    Seriously? It was all over the news for the last month.
    So what if it was all over the news? I'm saying they probably didn't consider cancelling the show over it until Springsteen did.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,502

    LEXINGTON
    Kentucky’s Senate on Tuesday passed a ‘religious freedom’ bill that provides businesses in the state a carte blanche license to discriminate against LGBT citizens.

    Senate Bill 180 was proposed by Senator Albert Robinson (R) and was passed with an amendment that attempted to limit the scope of the bill. The bill received 22 votes in favor and 16 against.

    The bill will undo 8 LGBT nondiscrimination measures in Kentucky, specifically measures in Covington, Danville, Frankfort, Lexington, Louisville, Midway, Morehead and Vicco.

    Cancel this one too PJ!!!! Its only right!!!
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  • perljam
    perljam Posts: 49
    Way to fuck your fans Pearl Jam. Plane tickets...hotels....work..etc
  • bcoker
    bcoker Posts: 7
    This kind of stuff is what might get Trump elected president. 90% of people don't want men in women's bathrooms. Liberals going nuts trying to accommodate 0.1% of the population. The issue isn't about transgenders, it is about perverted heterosexuals using the law as an excuse to put on a dress and go into women's bathrooms to get their jollies or even commit a sexual assault.

    I know someone who this happened to. She went into an isolated bathroom in a shopping mall when a guy walked in and started peeking through the crack in the stall door and jerking himself off. She screamed, but no one heard her. The guy eventually finished himself off on the stall door and left.

    I know that is a graphic description, but it is reality. For every transgender person, there are probably 1,000 sex offenders in any given community. Go on-line and check out how many live within a 5 mile radius of your home. The number will likely make your draw drop. It will only be a matter of time before some guy in a dress molests a child or rapes a woman. Then who is going to look stupid?

    I don't live in North Carolina, so I don't have a dog in the fight. But these "boycotts" by artists don't do anything but hurt the fans. I don't agree with some of the positions that band members take, but I let it go as a respect to the First Amendment. I own guns and Eddie said something about killing all gun owners -- did I "boycott" PJ music, merchandise or shows over it? No!

    You guys are doing this because of pressure being put on you by a small number of "politically correct" agitators. You can't "boycott" every state that has or makes a dumb law. You've played a lot of shows in Florida over the past ten years. I bet you didn't know that up until about a year ago it was legal under state law here to have sexual relations with a farm animal, but illegal for two unrelated people of the same sex to share a house. You never "boycotted" those laws. That is because you didn't know about them and there wasn't any pressure from the PC crowd.

    I was at the Jacksonville show last Wednesday. The first time you've ever played in my hometown. It was great. I really feel sorry for your NC fans -- they are the ones being hurt by this. The conservative political leaders in NC are not going to give a damn. Plus, they will not suffer over this issue. If it becomes the center piece of the Democratic campaign platform, they GOP will wipe the floor with them come November.
  • jeffwalsh
    jeffwalsh Posts: 169

    Isn't there a bit of a possibility that stuff like this might backfire and lead to even more discrimination towards transgender people?

    Given the suicide rate within the community and their murder rate from outside the community, you'd be hard pressed to negatively affect them much further than they already are...
  • SUZJAM8
    SUZJAM8 Roanoke Va Posts: 3
    Im broken. Ive been looking forward to this since the tour announcement. Begged off work, hubs too. First time I won lottery. Ive never lived in NC or voted for these losers. That being said I love PJ for their convictions as well as their music. Although I want to cry I dont expect any less from them. I love you and PLEASE COME NEAR ROANOKE VA SOON!!!
  • shecky
    shecky San Francisco Posts: 2,739
    edited April 2016
    gsamarco said:

    I live in Raleigh, I'm flockin' pissed, but I support the band's decision. It was a beautiful F#c% You to stupidity.
    From the beginning I've been saying this law is stupid, and I'm not even liberal. WTF, what's next separated bathrooms for blacks and whites? This is discrimination, I don't care how you spin it.
    I would't mind some tickets for Chicago instead...
    Still pissed as flock though.

    CHICAGO - are you kidding! How could any one play Chicago until they stop the murders?
    Are you aware that over 900 people - mainly young Black men - have been shot in Chicago during the first 100 days of this year already (as of about one week ago)?
    Mayor Rahm Emanuel does NOTHING about it!
    President Obama does NOTHING about it!
    Bruce Springsteen does NOTHING about it!
    And, now, Pearl Jam does NOTHING about it!
    Where are our priorities?

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  • jeffwalsh
    jeffwalsh Posts: 169
    ehbacon said:

    hate this, should've just been a politically charged show

    The politically charged show is on for Thursday!
  • DW275334
    DW275334 Posts: 10
    I am a HUGE PJ fan and have been since around 1992-93. It's very disappointing. Do they agree with every law Florida and Virginia has?This is what happens when entertainers go too far and get too political. You have let LOTS of fans down.

    Seriously though, this law was passed because the city of Charlotte was going to allow men who claimed to be women to use whatever RR they chose. That's not a good idea at all.
  • jeffwalsh
    jeffwalsh Posts: 169
    CM189191 said:

    Serious question: how much does it cost a band like PJ to pull out of a show like this? There had to be some deposit or penalty by the venue.

    Louis CK was pretty upfront when he had to cancel his MSG gig because a huge storm was coming, and I think he said it was low six figures, since he rented the space and such, and that he had to make that decision by a certain point after which it would have cost even more. As it turned out, the storm missed NYC.

  • weekapaug19
    weekapaug19 Posts: 2,293
    edited April 2016
    I feel bad for the fans attending, but I get it. For those saying your out money, still go, enjoy a new city. Don't just eat the trip because your not going to see PJ

    Playing a benefit show for people fighting this would have been the best move I think....and tons of press about why it's a benefit show
    Post edited by weekapaug19 on
  • FrankieG
    FrankieG Abingdon MD Posts: 9,100
    Should have cancelled weeks ago to give fans time to change ravel plans. I like that it brings visibility to the issue, but it definitely could have been handled better.
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  • JP Losman
    JP Losman Raleigh Posts: 149
    Let's see if PJ cancels shows at all the states with horrible laws. Texas, with its horrible abortion laws (similar laws in other states) and the states with racist voter ID laws (Arizona, Wisco, several others). Tennessee

    And please don't go off on Wall Street ever again and play these MSG Shows. Don't worry about all the racism and discrimination problems in Chicago right now.

    This was a BS move. It does not move the needle at all. We live in Raleigh. My wife's career is as a civil rights attorney making peanuts and fighting for social justice. Cancelling a show like this has almost no positive impact (if you understand what really is going on here in NC) but hurts fans and lots of common people's finances like people who work in the arena. On top of it, you had an option of playing a show and making it a rally or protest or even donating to the people who actually are fighting this and not grandstanding.

    Very disappointed in the band. Thought they were above this grandstanding and publicity stunt.
  • LetsGoMteers
    LetsGoMteers New Bern, NC Posts: 157
    Well I've calmed down, just bought tickets for SC Thursday night. Bucket list item is still on
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  • JP Losman
    JP Losman Raleigh Posts: 149

    Proud to be a fan of this band today. Ashamed to be a part of this fan base. I get it. I would be upset too. We all look so forward to these shows. But the selfishness and childishness is ridiculous. The band is not punishing you. You are collateral damage. It sucks. It's just that the band thinks the civil rights of others are more important than your concert. End story. It's also unfortunate to see tough life lessons being learned about purchasing non-refundable rooms and flights to an event that can very much be cancelled. Hopefully this law gets fixed and someday they come back and make everyone happy.

    This x1000000
    Ashamed to be part of a fan base that doesn't really understand the issues and internal politics but judges others. Why don't you do some research and figure out how the bill can be repealed in reality. Figure out which legislative seats actually need to change or what the actual procedure is for courts to overturn this. Then come back and judge us selfish.
  • jeffwalsh
    jeffwalsh Posts: 169
    bcoker said:

    The issue isn't about transgenders, it is about perverted heterosexuals using the law as an excuse to put on a dress and go into women's bathrooms to get their jollies or even commit a sexual assault.

    All of which is already illegal.