Pearl Jam Cancels 4/20 Raleigh, NC Concert in Opposition to HB2; Official Band Statement

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  • jeffwalshjeffwalsh Posts: 169
    edited April 2016

    Why was it better than playing the show and being vocal and donating and doing all the other things they typically do when they believe in a cause?

    Those aren't opposing things, though. They canceled. They released a long statement about the issue to be vocal. And the statement said they are also donating money to the cause. So, they didn't cherrypick from that list, they did all of it.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,337
    ComeToTX said:

    dignin said:

    DR295987 said:

    Proud to be a fan of this band today. Ashamed to be a part of this fan base. I get it. I would be upset too. We all look so forward to these shows. But the selfishness and childishness is ridiculous. The band is not punishing you. You are collateral damage. It sucks. It's just that the band thinks the civil rights of others are more important than your concert. End story. It's also unfortunate to see tough life lessons being learned about purchasing non-refundable rooms and flights to an event that can very much be cancelled. Hopefully this law gets fixed and someday they come back and make everyone happy.

    the band is punishing me yo the tune of about $1000 in travel costs no to mention a weeks worth if vacation time... calling it collateral damage is disingenuous at best...but hey you're not out the money because of a stupid law you had nothing to do with
    This is the part about tough life lessons I was talking about. If you can't afford to gamble money and vacation time then don't. Concerts can be cancelled for any reason and on a lot less notice than this. I would be disappointed to no end if this happened to me but I wouldn't be behaving like a petulant child and pretending that the band did this just to fuck their fans over.
    What a jackass statement. There was no natural catastrophe here. There was no sickness of a band member. You shouldn't have to gamble on a vacation because of politics. You are the petulant child just trying to disagree using the most asanine and patronizing argument ever.
    This isn't about politics....this is about human rights.

    This law has real consequences, and really hurts people. I know missing a concert and being out cash sucks, but it's nowhere near the struggle that trans-gendered people have to go through everyday with these bullshit laws.
    We all get that. It also was signed almost a month ago.
    Look at the post I commented on....and the one just below yours. A lot of people here think this is just about politics. Completely missing the point.
  • kusko_andykusko_andy Posts: 26
    edited April 2016
    jeffwalsh said:

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    Those aren't opposing things, though. They canceled. They released a long statement about the issue to be vocal. And the statement said they are also donating money to the cause. So, they didn't cherrypick from that list, they did all of it.

    My point is that they could have done all of that AND played for their fans. And they would still be "on the right side of history".

    When one does not see what one does not see, one does not even see that one is blind. -Paul Veyne
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,566
    i applaud the band for having a voice but i surely would be quite annoyed if i planned to travel to the show and it was cancelled two days before. I get their position and i'm sure it wasn't an easy decision by them but to me it's like they are just riding the coattails of others, mostly Springsteen. My personal feeling is they could have used this community in a much better way to show support for the cause than just cancelling the concert. Imagine if they somehow organized (or let fans organize) some kind of protest. a show of solidarity of 18,000 people plus the band. just thinking out loud but imagine how great it would be if PJ and the community came together at the show in support of the cause.


  • dignindignin Posts: 9,337

    dignin said:



    This isn't about politics....this is about human rights.

    This law has real consequences, and really hurts people. I know missing a concert and being out cash sucks, but it's nowhere near the struggle that trans-gendered people have to go through everyday with these bullshit laws.

    I have to ask, again, why do you believe that cancelling the show was the best decision for them to make? Why was it better than playing the show and being vocal and donating and doing all the other things they typically do when they believe in a cause?

    Go to the Springsteen cancels thread, it's been covered to death there.
  • SeaSea Posts: 3,046
    Name calling is not ok. Please see the Posting Guidelines http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/228366/forum-posting-guidelines

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  • DarthMaeglinDarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,641
    As Official Ten Club Members, we can assume this thread if no other will be monitored by the mods on the issue of this show's cancellation, with even the chance it might work its way to the band, correct? I'm about to go offline (not a boycott or anything, lol) from this forum for a bit, because I really have mixed feelings about what's just happened (I'll probably be back lurking in hours, lol). This has nothing at all to do with the issue being protested by the band.

    It's the 48 hour thing, unfortunately. I've got hometown show tickets, lottery lucky in my case, in large part because I can't afford to travel. This short notice would be (will be?) bad enough for me, after months of anticipation (first shows in 25 years), and I truly feel badly for those who were travelling, and now have to cancel. Even worse, it's all fact now, so putting the show back on would be even worse, since some have already cancelled flights and hotels.

    As I said, this has nothing to do with the issue, but the time. Springsteen cancelled his show days ago, unfortunately I'm not sure when the bill was passed (much less came into effect), but clearly this show could have been earlier, when the blow to fans could have been more easily absorbed. I can't think of any legal reason they'd have to do it this way, but that should have been front and centre in the announcement if it had been.

    I hope that all makes sense, and maybe if I contribute nothing else to this discussion, maybe anyone who's taken the time to read this and agrees can simply cut and paste this without comment, to make a point the band might hear (seemingly, lol).

    I'm so upset I'm considering stopping the Pearl Jam on the ipod for a bit, instead of moving onto the next show I'd planned to, after Santiago 1 2005 finishes. I must be pissed, lol.
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  • JF657419JF657419 Posts: 12
    So the concert in Chile was totally cool?

    As Official Ten Club Members, we can assume this thread if no other will be monitored by the mods on the issue of this show's cancellation, with even the chance it might work its way to the band, correct? I'm about to go offline (not a boycott or anything, lol) from this forum for a bit, because I really have mixed feelings about what's just happened (I'll probably be back lurking in hours, lol). This has nothing at all to do with the issue being protested by the band.

    It's the 48 hour thing, unfortunately. I've got hometown show tickets, lottery lucky in my case, in large part because I can't afford to travel. This short notice would be (will be?) bad enough for me, after months of anticipation (first shows in 25 years), and I truly feel badly for those who were travelling, and now have to cancel. Even worse, it's all fact now, so putting the show back on would be even worse, since some have already cancelled flights and hotels.

    As I said, this has nothing to do with the issue, but the time. Springsteen cancelled his show days ago, unfortunately I'm not sure when the bill was passed (much less came into effect), but clearly this show could have been earlier, when the blow to fans could have been more easily absorbed. I can't think of any legal reason they'd have to do it this way, but that should have been front and centre in the announcement if it had been.

    I hope that all makes sense, and maybe if I contribute nothing else to this discussion, maybe anyone who's taken the time to read this and agrees can simply cut and paste this without comment, to make a point the band might hear (seemingly, lol).

    I'm so upset I'm considering stopping the Pearl Jam on the ipod for a bit, instead of moving onto the next show I'd planned to, after Santiago 1 2005 finishes. I must be pissed, lol.

    Santiago show, as in Santiago Chile? They have interesting human rights issues there. Crickets however.
  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,025
    edited April 2016
    Sea said:

    Name calling is not ok. Please see the Posting Guidelines http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/228366/forum-posting-guidelines

    Thank you

    But taking 15,000 fans' money from them and giving to hotels and airlines is ok? After the band invited them to do this?

    Post edited by bootlegger10 on
  • dlymnflddlymnfld CT Posts: 923
    edited April 2016
    The risk we take following a liberal band. If this was The Ramones the show would go on.
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  • Phew! Good thing I did have tickets to Raleigh then... and didn't book a hotel yet hoping this would happen.
    I detect sarcasm. Not a fan of my internet tough guy persona, eh?

    If you don't have 10 Club tickets, how will you be refunded for your purchase? I'm genuinely curious. The mass email reads as if you have to go to the RBC Center box office to get your money back.
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  • THEBIBLEISTENTHEBIBLEISTEN Posts: 1,924
    They should open Thursday show with the following songs:

    Not for you
    Animal
    Mind your manners
    Evacuation
    I got shit
    Dissident
    Wma
    Sad
    Help help
    Daughter
    Brothee
    Mother
    Fathers son
    Who you are
    Inside job
    Faithful
    Save you
    Hard to imagine
    State of love and trust
    The fixer
    Alive








  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,025
    edited April 2016
    dlymnfld said:

    The risk we take following a liberal band. If this was The Ramones the show would go on.

    All about timing. 10 days I am still pissed but get it, 2 days and I am consciously and intentionally disrespected. That I do not get, and will never accept.
  • I keep thinking about the Foo Fighters on the back of a flat bed trailer playing
    'Man Muffins' to irritate the Westboro Baptist Church and can't help but think they could have done something else that had the chance to make an impact.

    I have no pony in this race and wholeheartedly support the cause... but I can completely understand the disappointment those directly affected might feel.

    I also find the patronizing by those unaffected by the decision to be in poor taste. People saying, essentially, "You took your chances and lost so deal with it there are bigger things in life" is really, really easy to say from the outside.

    Two days notice was not fantastic. I too anticipated something, but as the hour approached... I did not expect this.

    I still love this band, but as admirable as their intentions are... I can't help but think something different could have been done.

    Maybe not. I don't know.
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  • First of all, I'm sorry for all the fans who had tix for Raleigh. That sucks for you guys. I know that I'd be seriously disappointed if the shows I'm attending in the next couple of weeks were cancelled.

    That being said, I'm hoping that once your disappointment and anger subside, you'll continue to support the band whose world view (though perhaps different from one's own) is inextricably linked to the music they make. And it's THAT -- the music -- that makes you fan.

    A cancelled show (regardless of the reason or the manner in which it was done) is not reason enough to turn one's back on such a great band. If anyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, it's Pearl Jam. Easy for me to say, huh! Yeah, but still ... I'd (eventually) feel the same way if I'd planned on attending Raleigh.

    Reason to be disappointed? Of course.
    Reason to be angry? I suppose.
    Reason to hate Pearl Jam? No.

  • PixeltenderPixeltender nyc Posts: 79
    OfficerPJ said:

    I have been struggling all night to try to find the way I feel about this and how to express it. This is something that is beyond disappointing and my first reaction was straight anger. I don't agree with this and waiting until the last minute hurts your truest fans the most. I know in the big picture that this is just a concert by some rock group, but to some of us it is more. Pearl Jam is my "thing". I don't go out drinking, or hunting, and anything else really. For the most part I just go to work, take care of my family, and all the other little things that adults do. This was always my splurge or something to look forward to that was kind of a reward to get through the monotony of everyday life. Besides the nonrefundable plane tickets, hotels, rental car, time off work, and various travel expenses there are other aspects that don't necessarily have a monetary value. Things such as, arranging help with your kids, using the saved up " kitchen passes" from the wife, spending your turn for help from the grandparents, arranging rides to and from the airport, and so on. These are things I am sure the band did not consider. Much of this trip was a Christmas gift and it just hurts that the same excitement is some how gone. It seems dumb that this would bring these feelings, but when it is something that you have been so passionate about for so many years, you just start to question it all. I could not even listen to their music tonight and that is something that I did not expect.

    That's all very reasonable. It might help to remember why Pearl Jam is your "thing". Is it because of all those ideals they sing about and stand for? They're a band that you can feel pride for supporting because they're always standing on the right side of history. Even 25 years into it, they're not just old rockers playing nostalgia shows, they're still doing their best to use what power they have to help make a difference even at the cost of upsetting their precious fan base, which I can guarantee was no small consideration for them. Food for thought.

  • I still love this band, but as admirable as their intentions are... I can't help but think something different could have been done.

    Maybe not. I don't know.

    I believe the band has good intentions, but made a mistake by cancelling. I think it would have been a more powerful statement to show up, play, and inspire their fans.

    When one does not see what one does not see, one does not even see that one is blind. -Paul Veyne
  • jeffwalshjeffwalsh Posts: 169

    If you don't have 10 Club tickets, how will you be refunded for your purchase? I'm genuinely curious. The mass email reads as if you have to go to the RBC Center box office to get your money back.

    My NC and SC tix are both 10C. Also, I'm not from NC, so had I not gotten 10C tickets, I would have bought them online, so ticketmaster.com would have been my point of purchase in either case.

    The e-mail doesn't say you have to go to the arena, it says:

    "Ticket Refunds
    Provided at point of purchase"
  • joekernjoekern Posts: 3

    First of all, I'm sorry for all the fans who had tix for Raleigh. That sucks for you guys. I know that I'd be seriously disappointed if the shows I'm attending in the next couple of weeks were cancelled.

    That being said, I'm hoping that once your disappointment and anger subside, you'll continue to support the band whose world view (though perhaps different from one's own) is inextricably linked to the music they make. And it's THAT -- the music -- that makes you fan.

    A cancelled show (regardless of the reason or the manner in which it was done) is not reason enough to turn one's back on such a great band. If anyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, it's Pearl Jam. Easy for me to say, huh! Yeah, but still ... I'd (eventually) feel the same way if I'd planned on attending Raleigh.

    Reason to be disappointed? Of course.
    Reason to be angry? I suppose.
    Reason to hate Pearl Jam? No.

    I totally agree, and I am local to raleigh. I think my wife was more upset than I was, and she isn't even a fan. She purchased these tickets as a gift for me, it would have been my first PJ concert after being a die hard fan for over 20 years.

    Which just tells me that those on this thread upset about this are either feeling the sting finanically, or are not really invested in the band as much as they think they are.
  • OfficerPJ said:

    I have been struggling all night to try to find the way I feel about this and how to express it. This is something that is beyond disappointing and my first reaction was straight anger. I don't agree with this and waiting until the last minute hurts your truest fans the most. I know in the big picture that this is just a concert by some rock group, but to some of us it is more. Pearl Jam is my "thing". I don't go out drinking, or hunting, and anything else really. For the most part I just go to work, take care of my family, and all the other little things that adults do. This was always my splurge or something to look forward to that was kind of a reward to get through the monotony of everyday life. Besides the nonrefundable plane tickets, hotels, rental car, time off work, and various travel expenses there are other aspects that don't necessarily have a monetary value. Things such as, arranging help with your kids, using the saved up " kitchen passes" from the wife, spending your turn for help from the grandparents, arranging rides to and from the airport, and so on. These are things I am sure the band did not consider. Much of this trip was a Christmas gift and it just hurts that the same excitement is some how gone. It seems dumb that this would bring these feelings, but when it is something that you have been so passionate about for so many years, you just start to question it all. I could not even listen to their music tonight and that is something that I did not expect.

    That's all very reasonable. It might help to remember why Pearl Jam is your "thing". Is it because of all those ideals they sing about and stand for? They're a band that you can feel pride for supporting because they're always standing on the right side of history. Even 25 years into it, they're not just old rockers playing nostalgia shows, they're still doing their best to use what power they have to help make a difference even at the cost of upsetting their precious fan base, which I can guarantee was no small consideration for them. Food for thought.
    Pearl Jam is my thing because their music is freaking awesome.

    They don't drive my social conscience. I like how they think and that makes me like them more... but their music is their greatest gift to us. Let's get serious.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PixeltenderPixeltender nyc Posts: 79

    OfficerPJ said:

    I have been struggling all night to try to find the way I feel about this and how to express it. This is something that is beyond disappointing and my first reaction was straight anger. I don't agree with this and waiting until the last minute hurts your truest fans the most. I know in the big picture that this is just a concert by some rock group, but to some of us it is more. Pearl Jam is my "thing". I don't go out drinking, or hunting, and anything else really. For the most part I just go to work, take care of my family, and all the other little things that adults do. This was always my splurge or something to look forward to that was kind of a reward to get through the monotony of everyday life. Besides the nonrefundable plane tickets, hotels, rental car, time off work, and various travel expenses there are other aspects that don't necessarily have a monetary value. Things such as, arranging help with your kids, using the saved up " kitchen passes" from the wife, spending your turn for help from the grandparents, arranging rides to and from the airport, and so on. These are things I am sure the band did not consider. Much of this trip was a Christmas gift and it just hurts that the same excitement is some how gone. It seems dumb that this would bring these feelings, but when it is something that you have been so passionate about for so many years, you just start to question it all. I could not even listen to their music tonight and that is something that I did not expect.

    That's all very reasonable. It might help to remember why Pearl Jam is your "thing". Is it because of all those ideals they sing about and stand for? They're a band that you can feel pride for supporting because they're always standing on the right side of history. Even 25 years into it, they're not just old rockers playing nostalgia shows, they're still doing their best to use what power they have to help make a difference even at the cost of upsetting their precious fan base, which I can guarantee was no small consideration for them. Food for thought.
    Pearl Jam is my thing because their music is freaking awesome.

    They don't drive my social conscience. I like how they think and that makes me like them more... but their music is their greatest gift to us. Let's get serious.
    Not sure why you had to add "let's get serious" to the end of a statement that doesn't contradict mine. Obviously the music is what brought us all here.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    joekern said:

    First of all, I'm sorry for all the fans who had tix for Raleigh. That sucks for you guys. I know that I'd be seriously disappointed if the shows I'm attending in the next couple of weeks were cancelled.

    That being said, I'm hoping that once your disappointment and anger subside, you'll continue to support the band whose world view (though perhaps different from one's own) is inextricably linked to the music they make. And it's THAT -- the music -- that makes you fan.

    A cancelled show (regardless of the reason or the manner in which it was done) is not reason enough to turn one's back on such a great band. If anyone deserves the benefit of the doubt, it's Pearl Jam. Easy for me to say, huh! Yeah, but still ... I'd (eventually) feel the same way if I'd planned on attending Raleigh.

    Reason to be disappointed? Of course.
    Reason to be angry? I suppose.
    Reason to hate Pearl Jam? No.

    I totally agree, and I am local to raleigh. I think my wife was more upset than I was, and she isn't even a fan. She purchased these tickets as a gift for me, it would have been my first PJ concert after being a die hard fan for over 20 years.

    Which just tells me that those on this thread upset about this are either feeling the sting finanically, or are not really invested in the band as much as they think they are.
    It's not quite fair to make those assumptions.

    I've got but two PJ shows under my belt and who knows when I'll see them next. So to express my opinion has nothing to do with money.

    And invested in the band? Invested emotionally, heart and soul...and wholly-ensconced in their music. It has sustained me, and led me. So much more than that.

    Coming on 16 years with the love of my life, met through these forums. Met through this music.

    So...no.

    Leave judgments at the swinging doors, please.
  • OfficerPJ said:

    I have been struggling all night to try to find the way I feel about this and how to express it. This is something that is beyond disappointing and my first reaction was straight anger. I don't agree with this and waiting until the last minute hurts your truest fans the most. I know in the big picture that this is just a concert by some rock group, but to some of us it is more. Pearl Jam is my "thing". I don't go out drinking, or hunting, and anything else really. For the most part I just go to work, take care of my family, and all the other little things that adults do. This was always my splurge or something to look forward to that was kind of a reward to get through the monotony of everyday life. Besides the nonrefundable plane tickets, hotels, rental car, time off work, and various travel expenses there are other aspects that don't necessarily have a monetary value. Things such as, arranging help with your kids, using the saved up " kitchen passes" from the wife, spending your turn for help from the grandparents, arranging rides to and from the airport, and so on. These are things I am sure the band did not consider. Much of this trip was a Christmas gift and it just hurts that the same excitement is some how gone. It seems dumb that this would bring these feelings, but when it is something that you have been so passionate about for so many years, you just start to question it all. I could not even listen to their music tonight and that is something that I did not expect.

    That's all very reasonable. It might help to remember why Pearl Jam is your "thing". Is it because of all those ideals they sing about and stand for? They're a band that you can feel pride for supporting because they're always standing on the right side of history. Even 25 years into it, they're not just old rockers playing nostalgia shows, they're still doing their best to use what power they have to help make a difference even at the cost of upsetting their precious fan base, which I can guarantee was no small consideration for them. Food for thought.
    Pearl Jam is my thing because their music is freaking awesome.

    They don't drive my social conscience. I like how they think and that makes me like them more... but their music is their greatest gift to us. Let's get serious.
    Not sure why you had to add "let's get serious" to the end of a statement that doesn't contradict mine. Obviously the music is what brought us all here.
    You seemed to be implying that Pearl Jam's political viewpoints were the attraction as much as their music and if this wasn't the case... then maybe you're not a real fan.

    I obviously misread what you meant. No worries. I'm not looking to irritate anyone more than they might already be.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • dlymnflddlymnfld CT Posts: 923
    ComeToTX said:

    Mumford and Buffett are handling it correctly.

    This
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  • NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,310
    ComeToTX said:

    Negative attention doesn't matter to the few who passed this. Neither does popular opinion. Neither does PayPal and Deutsche taking money and jobs out of NC. They are bigots and PJ not playing a show won't change that.

    It helped end apartheid in south Africa...
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    Ed confronted the issue tonight. He's got balls. I feel sorry for the fans that lost money on plane tickets and hotel rooms. But any anger i had has dissolved.
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  • PixeltenderPixeltender nyc Posts: 79

    OfficerPJ said:

    I have been struggling all night to try to find the way I feel about this and how to express it. This is something that is beyond disappointing and my first reaction was straight anger. I don't agree with this and waiting until the last minute hurts your truest fans the most. I know in the big picture that this is just a concert by some rock group, but to some of us it is more. Pearl Jam is my "thing". I don't go out drinking, or hunting, and anything else really. For the most part I just go to work, take care of my family, and all the other little things that adults do. This was always my splurge or something to look forward to that was kind of a reward to get through the monotony of everyday life. Besides the nonrefundable plane tickets, hotels, rental car, time off work, and various travel expenses there are other aspects that don't necessarily have a monetary value. Things such as, arranging help with your kids, using the saved up " kitchen passes" from the wife, spending your turn for help from the grandparents, arranging rides to and from the airport, and so on. These are things I am sure the band did not consider. Much of this trip was a Christmas gift and it just hurts that the same excitement is some how gone. It seems dumb that this would bring these feelings, but when it is something that you have been so passionate about for so many years, you just start to question it all. I could not even listen to their music tonight and that is something that I did not expect.

    That's all very reasonable. It might help to remember why Pearl Jam is your "thing". Is it because of all those ideals they sing about and stand for? They're a band that you can feel pride for supporting because they're always standing on the right side of history. Even 25 years into it, they're not just old rockers playing nostalgia shows, they're still doing their best to use what power they have to help make a difference even at the cost of upsetting their precious fan base, which I can guarantee was no small consideration for them. Food for thought.
    Pearl Jam is my thing because their music is freaking awesome.

    They don't drive my social conscience. I like how they think and that makes me like them more... but their music is their greatest gift to us. Let's get serious.
    Not sure why you had to add "let's get serious" to the end of a statement that doesn't contradict mine. Obviously the music is what brought us all here.
    You seemed to be implying that Pearl Jam's political viewpoints were the attraction as much as their music and if this wasn't the case... then maybe you're not a real fan.

    I obviously misread what you meant. No worries. I'm not looking to irritate anyone more than they might already be.
    I was just trying to cheer up OfficerPJ with some perspective :)
  • That's all very reasonable. It might help to remember why Pearl Jam is your "thing". Is it because of all those ideals they sing about and stand for? They're a band that you can feel pride for supporting because they're always standing on the right side of history. Even 25 years into it, they're not just old rockers playing nostalgia shows, they're still doing their best to use what power they have to help make a difference even at the cost of upsetting their precious fan base, which I can guarantee was no small consideration for them. Food for thought.

    Well-said, Pix
  • That is great that Pearl Jam will refund my tickets, but I have lost $125 for my hotel room that I can't get refunded because I went through priceline.

    I GOT ALL MONEY BACK FROM PRICELINE< < < U HAVE TO CALL HOTEL FIRST AND THEY HAVE TO AGREE TO GIVE MONEY BACK< MINE DID AT THE WYNDHAM <<EVEN THOUGH I USED PRICELINE WITH NO REFUND ATTACHED< iTS WORTH A COUPLE PHONE CALLS
  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    Well, I still don't think too much about transgender politics . . . but I am a bit more wary about buying tickets in the future.

    Last summer, I was on a boycott of South Carolina -- a place where I have roots, so it was hard -- until the Confederate flag came down. I understand the idea behind boycotts, but in my self-imposed travel ban, I thought and read a lot about how effective they really. I learned there had been an NAACP boycott of that state for longer than a decade over that flag, and it had zero impact on tourism dollars. It wasn't until people got themselves on the ground working under a confluence of events when the political will finally rose to remove that symbol. My little boycott made me feel like I was doing something at the time, but at the end of the day, I'm not really sure. It takes foot soldiers to change a system. The people in the state themselves had to work it out and get it done.

    I'm just glad the Confederate flag came down in time for Columbia. But I'm also pretty sure I would have abandoned my boycott for Pearl Jam.
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