They waited until two days before the show to announce. What reason would that be other than a screw you to the fans? They could have done this a week ago. But they wanted to screw over their traveling fans apparently.
It was only the other day Bruce called Ed and asked if he would support his opposition by cancelling the way he did last week,lol. Confirmation that one is of the same.
Ok so since you're so on board with this how about YOU cover my expenses? easy to talk when you aren't out anything... so put your money where your mouth is..
Seriously. The only opinions I care to hear regarding the Raleigh show cancellation are from the Pearl Jam organization or from ticket-holders to the show.
Of course most of us who had been planning for months to attend the Raleigh show (and who passed on the opportunity to attend other tour stops) are upset by the last-minute cancellation, and of course our "loss" in the grand scheme amounts to a hill of beans, to paraphrase Bogey.
We're allowed to be upset and feel aggrieved, just as you're free to your sanctimony. Forgive us for not having the foresight to live one state north or south or North Carolina.
08.06.2000 • Greensboro
06.26.2006 • St. Paul
11.30.2012 • Fort Lauderdale [EV]
10.29.2013 • Charlottesville
I have been struggling all night to try to find the way I feel about this and how to express it. This is something that is beyond disappointing and my first reaction was straight anger. I don't agree with this and waiting until the last minute hurts your truest fans the most. I know in the big picture that this is just a concert by some rock group, but to some of us it is more. Pearl Jam is my "thing". I don't go out drinking, or hunting, and anything else really. For the most part I just go to work, take care of my family, and all the other little things that adults do. This was always my splurge or something to look forward to that was kind of a reward to get through the monotony of everyday life. Besides the nonrefundable plane tickets, hotels, rental car, time off work, and various travel expenses there are other aspects that don't necessarily have a monetary value. Things such as, arranging help with your kids, using the saved up " kitchen passes" from the wife, spending your turn for help from the grandparents, arranging rides to and from the airport, and so on. These are things I am sure the band did not consider. Much of this trip was a Christmas gift and it just hurts that the same excitement is some how gone. It seems dumb that this would bring these feelings, but when it is something that you have been so passionate about for so many years, you just start to question it all. I could not even listen to their music tonight and that is something that I did not expect.
In a perfect scenario a peaceful protest should have been organized at the Raleigh courthouse or major public building hours before the concert. What better of a way to draw attention to this then by having Pearl Jam join the public and those affected by this bill and those that paid hundreds if not more to come see them play, protest peacefully prior to the show and get the media involved to let them see that they support the people, not the state. Then go put on a kick-ass show which is now fueled by public out cry against this bill and for PJ to show support for their fans and the people affected. But this is not a perfect world. I feel horrible for those who paid so much and lost their opportunity to see them play. Raleigh was going to be my first choice for the lottery but I decided to take my wife on a trip to Tampa.
All i have to say is true colors coming out here tonight. Holy crap.
Truer words never spoken.
You mean disrespecting your fans is something that should be applauded. You mean 5 people deciding their views and opinions are more important than 15,000 peoples' views should be applauded?
The anger in this thread is not about the law but the blatant disrespect and jesus complex shown by the band in their late decision making. They are extremely fortunate they have a monopoly on Pearl Jam music.
I for one couldn't make the decision to invite people to my concert and wait until the very last minute to cancel on them so they had no chance to get refunds on travel.
Proud to be a fan of this band today. Ashamed to be a part of this fan base. I get it. I would be upset too. We all look so forward to these shows. But the selfishness and childishness is ridiculous. The band is not punishing you. You are collateral damage. It sucks. It's just that the band thinks the civil rights of others are more important than your concert. End story. It's also unfortunate to see tough life lessons being learned about purchasing non-refundable rooms and flights to an event that can very much be cancelled. Hopefully this law gets fixed and someday they come back and make everyone happy.
the band is punishing me yo the tune of about $1000 in travel costs no to mention a weeks worth if vacation time... calling it collateral damage is disingenuous at best...but hey you're not out the money because of a stupid law you had nothing to do with
This is the part about tough life lessons I was talking about. If you can't afford to gamble money and vacation time then don't. Concerts can be cancelled for any reason and on a lot less notice than this. I would be disappointed to no end if this happened to me but I wouldn't be behaving like a petulant child and pretending that the band did this just to fuck their fans over.
I have been struggling all night to try to find the way I feel about this and how to express it. This is something that is beyond disappointing and my first reaction was straight anger. I don't agree with this and waiting until the last minute hurts your truest fans the most. I know in the big picture that this is just a concert by some rock group, but to some of us it is more. Pearl Jam is my "thing". I don't go out drinking, or hunting, and anything else really. For the most part I just go to work, take care of my family, and all the other little things that adults do. This was always my splurge or something to look forward to that was kind of a reward to get through the monotony of everyday life. Besides the nonrefundable plane tickets, hotels, rental car, time off work, and various travel expenses there are other aspects that don't necessarily have a monetary value. Things such as, arranging help with your kids, using the saved up " kitchen passes" from the wife, spending your turn for help from the grandparents, arranging rides to and from the airport, and so on. These are things I am sure the band did not consider. Much of this trip was a Christmas gift and it just hurts that the same excitement is some how gone. It seems dumb that this would bring these feelings, but when it is something that you have been so passionate about for so many years, you just start to question it all. I could not even listen to their music tonight and that is something that I did not expect.
Watched the Boy's testify in front of congress back in the day.... I know the fight gets harder once we start showing grey Feel like Ed could have lead "his" tar heels to the capital. Civil disobiedience style; use that stage to wage this battle. Sorry guys... but I think Mookie wouldn't have taken his ball and gone home. Why couldn't you cancel it from the stage that night; walk with us to the guv's big house, and from there, rattle that gate, letting our voices drown out his hate.
Proud to be a fan of this band today. Ashamed to be a part of this fan base. I get it. I would be upset too. We all look so forward to these shows. But the selfishness and childishness is ridiculous. The band is not punishing you. You are collateral damage. It sucks. It's just that the band thinks the civil rights of others are more important than your concert. End story. It's also unfortunate to see tough life lessons being learned about purchasing non-refundable rooms and flights to an event that can very much be cancelled. Hopefully this law gets fixed and someday they come back and make everyone happy.
the band is punishing me yo the tune of about $1000 in travel costs no to mention a weeks worth if vacation time... calling it collateral damage is disingenuous at best...but hey you're not out the money because of a stupid law you had nothing to do with
This is the part about tough life lessons I was talking about. If you can't afford to gamble money and vacation time then don't. Concerts can be cancelled for any reason and on a lot less notice than this. I would be disappointed to no end if this happened to me but I wouldn't be behaving like a petulant child and pretending that the band did this just to fuck their fans over.
What a jackass statement. There was no natural catastrophe here. There was no sickness of a band member. You shouldn't have to gamble on a vacation because of politics. You are the petulant child just trying to disagree using the most asanine and patronizing argument ever.
Proud to be a fan of this band today. Ashamed to be a part of this fan base. I get it. I would be upset too. We all look so forward to these shows. But the selfishness and childishness is ridiculous. The band is not punishing you. You are collateral damage. It sucks. It's just that the band thinks the civil rights of others are more important than your concert. End story. It's also unfortunate to see tough life lessons being learned about purchasing non-refundable rooms and flights to an event that can very much be cancelled. Hopefully this law gets fixed and someday they come back and make everyone happy.
the band is punishing me yo the tune of about $1000 in travel costs no to mention a weeks worth if vacation time... calling it collateral damage is disingenuous at best...but hey you're not out the money because of a stupid law you had nothing to do with
This is the part about tough life lessons I was talking about. If you can't afford to gamble money and vacation time then don't. Concerts can be cancelled for any reason and on a lot less notice than this. I would be disappointed to no end if this happened to me but I wouldn't be behaving like a petulant child and pretending that the band did this just to fuck their fans over.
Do you not get it? I wasn't gambling money and vacation time. My only gamble was when I played the Pearl Jam lottery to win a chance to purchase tickets to this show. Pearl Jam told me they were coming to play. I trusted them. I believed they would show. I thought they knew the time and energy their fans put into trying to get to see a show, especially one being played in the South when you live in a nearby state, and wouldn't choose to cancel. I put my faith, time, emotion, and excitement in getting to see them play here. Yes, concerts can be cancelled due to unforeseen circumstances. Ed gets a stomach illness, a blizzard comes through the town, etc. This decision was a choice the band made and it wasn't their only option. People are not acting like "petulant children" or any of the other descriptors you have used tonight. We are legitimately disappointed.
The more comments I read the more I'm convinced people aren't addressing the same issue. A huge majority of people here think the new law is reprehensible. Within that majority, a lot of people think the way that PJ addressed it was wrong. They're not saying that PJ shouldn't have said anything or shouldn't have done anything. Many would have preferred if PJ came to Raleigh and raised holy hell, rather than just bail. Host a rally. Play in skirts. Play past the curfew and get kicked out of town.... whatever. Just show up!
When one does not see what one does not see, one does not even see that one is blind. -Paul Veyne
The band has my full support. I understand the disappointment. I'd feel the same way. However history will show that this type of action was just. Good on you boys. Keep up the good fight.
The more comments I read the more I'm convinced people aren't addressing the same issue. A huge majority of people here think the new law is reprehensible. Within that majority, a lot of people think the way that PJ addressed it was wrong. They're not saying that PJ shouldn't have said anything or shouldn't have done anything. Many would have preferred if PJ came to Raleigh and raised holy hell, rather than just bail. Host a rally. Play in skirts. Play past the curfew and get kicked out of town.... whatever. Just show up!
Once Bruce canceled, everyone should have expected this.
Of course we expected it. We just expected such a fan-forward organization as Pearl Jam to give us a warning of more than 48 hours, rather than toy with us like a cat toys with a mouse.
08.06.2000 • Greensboro
06.26.2006 • St. Paul
11.30.2012 • Fort Lauderdale [EV]
10.29.2013 • Charlottesville
Once Bruce canceled, everyone should have expected this.
Of course we expected it. We just expected such a fan-forward organization as Pearl Jam to give us a warning of more than 48 hours, rather than toy with us like a cat toys with a mouse.
They didn't care though. They only cared what Bruce would have thought.
Proud to be a fan of this band today. Ashamed to be a part of this fan base. I get it. I would be upset too. We all look so forward to these shows. But the selfishness and childishness is ridiculous. The band is not punishing you. You are collateral damage. It sucks. It's just that the band thinks the civil rights of others are more important than your concert. End story. It's also unfortunate to see tough life lessons being learned about purchasing non-refundable rooms and flights to an event that can very much be cancelled. Hopefully this law gets fixed and someday they come back and make everyone happy.
the band is punishing me yo the tune of about $1000 in travel costs no to mention a weeks worth if vacation time... calling it collateral damage is disingenuous at best...but hey you're not out the money because of a stupid law you had nothing to do with
This is the part about tough life lessons I was talking about. If you can't afford to gamble money and vacation time then don't. Concerts can be cancelled for any reason and on a lot less notice than this. I would be disappointed to no end if this happened to me but I wouldn't be behaving like a petulant child and pretending that the band did this just to fuck their fans over.
What a jackass statement. There was no natural catastrophe here. There was no sickness of a band member. You shouldn't have to gamble on a vacation because of politics. You are the petulant child just trying to disagree using the most asanine and patronizing argument ever.
This isn't about politics....this is about human rights.
This law has real consequences, and really hurts people. I know missing a concert and being out cash sucks, but it's nowhere near the struggle that trans-gendered people have to go through everyday with these bullshit laws.
if you're here, from NC, upset and ranting and didn't click the links and go write a letter, sign a petition or generaly raise hell with your elected officials then at least pause; go email them something about the way you feel and then continue....If you've been to a NC show over the years you've heard them rail on Jesse Helms, the wars; try and turn out the vote against Bush, etc. I'm not surprised, I just wish they'd have confirmed our fears weeks ago.
Proud to be a fan of this band today. Ashamed to be a part of this fan base. I get it. I would be upset too. We all look so forward to these shows. But the selfishness and childishness is ridiculous. The band is not punishing you. You are collateral damage. It sucks. It's just that the band thinks the civil rights of others are more important than your concert. End story. It's also unfortunate to see tough life lessons being learned about purchasing non-refundable rooms and flights to an event that can very much be cancelled. Hopefully this law gets fixed and someday they come back and make everyone happy.
the band is punishing me yo the tune of about $1000 in travel costs no to mention a weeks worth if vacation time... calling it collateral damage is disingenuous at best...but hey you're not out the money because of a stupid law you had nothing to do with
This is the part about tough life lessons I was talking about. If you can't afford to gamble money and vacation time then don't. Concerts can be cancelled for any reason and on a lot less notice than this. I would be disappointed to no end if this happened to me but I wouldn't be behaving like a petulant child and pretending that the band did this just to fuck their fans over.
What a jackass statement. There was no natural catastrophe here. There was no sickness of a band member. You shouldn't have to gamble on a vacation because of politics. You are the petulant child just trying to disagree using the most asanine and patronizing argument ever.
This isn't about politics....this is about human rights.
This law has real consequences, and really hurts people. I know missing a concert and being out cash sucks, but it's nowhere near the struggle that trans-gendered people have to go through everyday with these bullshit laws.
We all get that. It also was signed almost a month ago.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
Its 100% about politics. 99% of the people going to this concert don't give a damn while they are at the show. People go to concerts to escape from the stress of everyday life. So many other better ways to go about this but there will always be some of the 10c sheeple that support every decision they make. It just sucks that this will most likely damper the coming shows, especially in the NE where people tend to be very vocal. I just hope all the back last blows over by then because I want some epic shows. And you aren't getting them when they spend their time yapping politics. Their best shows are when they put all that aside.
This isn't about politics....this is about human rights.
This law has real consequences, and really hurts people. I know missing a concert and being out cash sucks, but it's nowhere near the struggle that trans-gendered people have to go through everyday with these bullshit laws.
I have to ask, again, why do you believe that cancelling the show was the best decision for them to make? Why was it better than playing the show and being vocal and donating and doing all the other things they typically do when they believe in a cause?
When one does not see what one does not see, one does not even see that one is blind. -Paul Veyne
So I am not really angry about this, but a bit disapointed that PJ didn't come to a few other conclusions, and or more effective options. PJ has a gift that anyone who purchased tickets to the show obviously appreciate. Through their music they have captivated each of us with the gift they were giving.
In this moment it is sad to see them turn away from this gift, and do the opposite. I am not sure how the decision was made, but I am most sure that it was not make by a single individual. Some simple math might have helped the situation..
1. 15,000+ people in the audience could have heard a message about the situation at the concert and been given opportunity to take action. 2. Contact and work with the groups metioned on the announcement and have them in place to get signitures. Further give them time out of the show to deliever a message. I cannot imagne any fans would have had an issue with that. 3. Lets assume that of the 15k people they each told at least 2 others, who in turn told 1 other. that quickly turns to 60k. let alone a live tweet in the show from some porting of 15k, say at least 5k, to light up the twitter boards. 4. Donate margin from the show to the groups. 5. Have the groups workign to fight this set up ways to have the fans donate direct at the show. 6. Push fans to purchas swag and donate those funds.
I am fortunate enough that the money spent does not affect me. I do understand the cause and it does hit home as I do have family members that this legislation offends personally.
I would hope that in this situation that PJ takes the opportunity to learn from this decision, and understand that the gfit they have is more powerful when used, than when with held.
NOTE: PJ its not too late to show up, and do more. In fact that would sort of lead by example.
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Of course most of us who had been planning for months to attend the Raleigh show (and who passed on the opportunity to attend other tour stops) are upset by the last-minute cancellation, and of course our "loss" in the grand scheme amounts to a hill of beans, to paraphrase Bogey.
We're allowed to be upset and feel aggrieved, just as you're free to your sanctimony. Forgive us for not having the foresight to live one state north or south or North Carolina.
06.26.2006 • St. Paul
11.30.2012 • Fort Lauderdale [EV]
10.29.2013 • Charlottesville
You are allowed to feel upset.
But you are not allowed to misunderstand why they did it, and what this law actually does. (Not that you did that)
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The anger in this thread is not about the law but the blatant disrespect and jesus complex shown by the band in their late decision making. They are extremely fortunate they have a monopoly on Pearl Jam music.
I for one couldn't make the decision to invite people to my concert and wait until the very last minute to cancel on them so they had no chance to get refunds on travel.
I know the fight gets harder once we start showing grey
Feel like Ed could have lead "his" tar heels to the capital.
Civil disobiedience style; use that stage to wage this battle.
Sorry guys... but I think Mookie wouldn't have taken his ball and gone home.
Why couldn't you cancel it from the stage that night; walk with us to the guv's big house,
and from there, rattle that gate,
letting our voices drown out his hate.
Use your time and money to influence change, not your fans' money.
The arguments that PJ made a mistake are almost endless.
06.26.2006 • St. Paul
11.30.2012 • Fort Lauderdale [EV]
10.29.2013 • Charlottesville
They didn't care though. They only cared what Bruce would have thought.
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This law has real consequences, and really hurts people. I know missing a concert and being out cash sucks, but it's nowhere near the struggle that trans-gendered people have to go through everyday with these bullshit laws.
'10- MSG 1-2 '11- PJ20
'12- MIA; DeLuna '13- Wrigley; Pitt; Brooklyn 1-2; Philly 1-2; Baltimore; Seattle
'14- Denver '16- Philly 1-2; MSG 2
'17- Pilgrimage Music Fest (Eddie)
'18- Fenway
In this moment it is sad to see them turn away from this gift, and do the opposite. I am not sure how the decision was made, but I am most sure that it was not make by a single individual. Some simple math might have helped the situation..
1. 15,000+ people in the audience could have heard a message about the situation at the concert and been given opportunity to take action.
2. Contact and work with the groups metioned on the announcement and have them in place to get signitures. Further give them time out of the show to deliever a message. I cannot imagne any fans would have had an issue with that.
3. Lets assume that of the 15k people they each told at least 2 others, who in turn told 1 other. that quickly turns to 60k. let alone a live tweet in the show from some porting of 15k, say at least 5k, to light up the twitter boards.
4. Donate margin from the show to the groups.
5. Have the groups workign to fight this set up ways to have the fans donate direct at the show.
6. Push fans to purchas swag and donate those funds.
I am fortunate enough that the money spent does not affect me. I do understand the cause and it does hit home as I do have family members that this legislation offends personally.
I would hope that in this situation that PJ takes the opportunity to learn from this decision, and understand that the gfit they have is more powerful when used, than when with held.
NOTE: PJ its not too late to show up, and do more. In fact that would sort of lead by example.