Bernie Sanders for President

Free · March 2016

mrussel1 said:
^ Sanders calls for debate in NY with Clinton prior to NY primaries. Clinton doesn't want to, Cries about being victim.

I assume this is your assessment? I certainly don't see it anywhere in this article.

Yes, it is and what Lolobug says here is perfect in response:

lolobugg said:
Since when is calling out Clinton's record = to a negative campaign???
Jeez, Hillary fans... how do you think you are going to handle the RNC smear team if you can't handle the truth from Bernie???

mrussel1 · March 2016

lolobugg said:
sorry, my quote function isn't working....
I don't see what is dirty about calling out Emanuel... unfortunately he threw his support behind Hillary a long time ago. maybe she should've done a better job distancing her self from this corrupt mayor. Bernie is merely attacking the do-nothing establishment like he does in every other state.

It's dirty because HRC has nothing to do with his mayoral time in Chicago. Those are completely unconnected events. He worked in the Clinton WH 16+ years ago. He worked in Obama's WH far more recently. Is he running attack ads against Obama next? That's dirty politics and guilt by association. HRC is going to be connected to every single Democrat you can line up. That's what happens when you've been in the party for 50 years.

What Bernie was trying to do is create correlation between the Laquan murder and HRC, thereby trying to turn the African-American vote against HRC. That's not negative politics to you?

mrussel1 · March 2016

Free said:

mrussel1 said:
^ Sanders calls for debate in NY with Clinton prior to NY primaries. Clinton doesn't want to, Cries about being victim.

I assume this is your assessment? I certainly don't see it anywhere in this article.
Yes, it is and what Lolobug says here is perfect in response:
lolobugg said:
Since when is calling out Clinton's record = to a negative campaign???
Jeez, Hillary fans... how do you think you are going to handle the RNC smear team if you can't handle the truth from Bernie???

Again.. how do you connect Rahm's mayoral record with HRC? Will you be using his record as mayor when you are evaluating Obama's presidency in 5 years? Give me a fucking break.

brianlux · March 2016

This is what Bernie has to say today via the emails I subscribe to:

"When our campaign first set foot in Wisconsin this past summer, we got a very warm
welcome from the people of Wisconsin. I spoke to more than 10,000 people in Madison
about our corrupt political system, our broken economy, and how our political
revolution can take back our country from people like the Koch Brothers in the
billionaire class.

Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker and the Republican Party weren't as happy to see me.
Governor Walker, who has been helped throughout his career by the Koch Brothers,
issued statements against us, and the GOP even put up billboards calling me an
"extremist."

Well, let's talk about extremism. Scott Walker has attacked the minimum wage, gutted
unions, made it much harder to vote, and restricted access to abortion. That is
extremism.

I can think of no better place for our political revolution to continue its momentum
than in Wisconsin. The latest poll has us down just a few points, and I know that if
we work together right now, we can pull off a huge victory.

ot only has Governor Walker been helped throughout his career by huge financial
support from the Koch Brothers, but he has enacted their ideology while in office.

When you deny the right of workers to come together in collective bargaining, that's
extremism.

When you tell a woman that she cannot control her own body, that's extremism.

When you give tax breaks to billionaires and refuse to raise the minimum wage,
that's extremism.

Our views, which represent the views of the vast majority of the American people,
are a little bit different. We believe that the time has come for the people of
Wisconsin and all over the country to create a movement that tells the billionaire
class: YOU CAN'T HAVE IT ALL!

And what we are saying to the Koch Brothers and Scott Walker is that this great
country belongs to everybody, and not just a handful of very wealthy people."

Hopefully Wisconsin will come through for Bernie. It's close but we can do it!

lolobugg · March 2016

apologies again for my quote not working but in reference to what you are saying above MRussel1... sounds like Hillary supporters have a guilty conscience if that is what you get out of the ad. Bernie has called out incompetent mayors in Flint and many other cities. if he just happens to be someone the Clintons and other democrats trusted then.. I would say that they are a really poor judge of character. I am not a democrat. I am an independent and hold no loyalty whatsoever to any Democrats. I will call any of them out any and every day. and to echo what Broken Glass said... the Clintons are the best at "dirty politics"...

EDIT: pandering is not a word I want to use and apologizing for misusing it in a political context.
what I wanted to say was lying to people to get their votes at all costs. that is what politicians do and why I respect Bernie amongst the other candidates.

mrussel1 · March 2016

lolobugg said:
apologies again for my quote not working but in reference to what you are saying above MRussel1... sounds like Hillary supporters have a guilty conscience if that is what you get out of the ad. Bernie has called out incompetent mayors in Flint and many other cities. if he just happens to be someone the Clintons and other democrats trusted then.. I would say that they are a really poor judge of character. I am not a democrat. I am an independent and hold no loyalty whatsoever to any Democrats. I will call any of them out any and every day. and to echo what Broken Glass said... the Clintons are the best at "dirty politics"...

EDIT: pandering is not a word I want to use and apologizing for misusing it in a political context.
what I wanted to say was lying to people to get their votes at all costs. that is what politicians do and why I respect Bernie amongst the other candidates.

You sure that he criticized the African-American mayor of Flint? I'd like to see that ad please. I know he criticized the GOP governor as did HRC. Send me those criticisms. Please.

HRC supporters feeling guilty about Rahm? That's a bizarre statement. All ads have a purpose. He didn't spend money in one of the top 5 media markets in the country without a point, the point being to earn votes. If you don't understand how this is hypocritical to his statements then:

1. You didn't watch the ad
2. You are not familiar with a what a negative political ad is
3. You are a political neophyte or operating with intentional blinders

brianlux · March 2016

lolobugg said:
apologies again for my quote not working but in reference to what you are saying above MRussel1... sounds like Hillary supporters have a guilty conscience if that is what you get out of the ad. Bernie has called out incompetent mayors in Flint and many other cities. if he just happens to be someone the Clintons and other democrats trusted then.. I would say that they are a really poor judge of character. I am not a democrat. I am an independent and hold no loyalty whatsoever to any Democrats. I will call any of them out any and every day. and to echo what Broken Glass said... the Clintons are the best at "dirty politics"...

EDIT: pandering is not a word I want to use and apologizing for misusing it in a political context.
what I wanted to say was lying to people to get their votes at all costs. that is what politicians do and why I respect Bernie amongst the other candidates.

Bernie rises above partisan politics in a number of ways.

I was talking to a woman the other day who is registered as Republican. She said "I don't agree with Bernie's politics but he seems like an honest, and fair man, not corrupt, someone I would like as a friend and a neighbor." This is not a small point. Being honest and fair and not corrupt are some of the best qualities we could ask for in a politician. Another strong point which we don't see elsewhere is Bernie's emphasis on getting involved. He has said that "working class people and young people are beginning to understand that it is imperative that they participate in the political process". You don't hear that from any of the other candidates.

lolobugg · March 2016

ok. I meant governor of Michigan.. you have me on that.
You are the one saying he is tying Rahm to Hillary so if you are extracting that from the ad you must have a guilty conscience about your candidates association with Mayor Emanuel.
1. I saw the ad
2. I have been voting since 1996 so I have seen negative ads (this was def not an attack ad on Clinton, you really think if he wanted to go negative he couldn't destroy HRC with all her flip flopping)
3. no intentional blinders, sir, but you may call me a political neophyte if you wish.
but I know enough about HRC (as you call her) to know that she is a typical politician. I let my millennial friends watch her and they have no pre-conceived notion of her- good or bad.
they all call "bullshit" on her performance at every debate. she can't even hide it very well. at least Bill was slick.

mrussel1 · March 2016

brianlux said:

lolobugg said:
apologies again for my quote not working but in reference to what you are saying above MRussel1... sounds like Hillary supporters have a guilty conscience if that is what you get out of the ad. Bernie has called out incompetent mayors in Flint and many other cities. if he just happens to be someone the Clintons and other democrats trusted then.. I would say that they are a really poor judge of character. I am not a democrat. I am an independent and hold no loyalty whatsoever to any Democrats. I will call any of them out any and every day. and to echo what Broken Glass said... the Clintons are the best at "dirty politics"...

EDIT: pandering is not a word I want to use and apologizing for misusing it in a political context.
what I wanted to say was lying to people to get their votes at all costs. that is what politicians do and why I respect Bernie amongst the other candidates.
Bernie rises above partisan politics in a number of ways.

I was talking to a woman the other day who is registered as Republican. She said "I don't agree with Bernie's politics but he seems like an honest, and fair man, not corrupt, someone I would like as a friend and a neighbor." This is not a small point. Being honest and fair and not corrupt are some of the best qualities we could ask for in a politician. Another strong point which we don't see elsewhere is Bernie's emphasis on getting involved. He has said that "working class people and young people are beginning to understand that it is imperative that they participate in the political process". You don't hear that from any of the other candidates.

All things to be admired, for sure.

brianlux · March 2016

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

lolobugg said:
apologies again for my quote not working but in reference to what you are saying above MRussel1... sounds like Hillary supporters have a guilty conscience if that is what you get out of the ad. Bernie has called out incompetent mayors in Flint and many other cities. if he just happens to be someone the Clintons and other democrats trusted then.. I would say that they are a really poor judge of character. I am not a democrat. I am an independent and hold no loyalty whatsoever to any Democrats. I will call any of them out any and every day. and to echo what Broken Glass said... the Clintons are the best at "dirty politics"...

EDIT: pandering is not a word I want to use and apologizing for misusing it in a political context.
what I wanted to say was lying to people to get their votes at all costs. that is what politicians do and why I respect Bernie amongst the other candidates.
Bernie rises above partisan politics in a number of ways.

I was talking to a woman the other day who is registered as Republican. She said "I don't agree with Bernie's politics but he seems like an honest, and fair man, not corrupt, someone I would like as a friend and a neighbor." This is not a small point. Being honest and fair and not corrupt are some of the best qualities we could ask for in a politician. Another strong point which we don't see elsewhere is Bernie's emphasis on getting involved. He has said that "working class people and young people are beginning to understand that it is imperative that they participate in the political process". You don't hear that from any of the other candidates.

All things to be admired, for sure.

So maybe consider becoming a Bernie supporter? We would welcome your support and added involvement in the struggle to weed corruption from politics!

Free · March 2016

mrussel1 said:

Free said:

mrussel1 said:
^ Sanders calls for debate in NY with Clinton prior to NY primaries. Clinton doesn't want to, Cries about being victim.

I assume this is your assessment? I certainly don't see it anywhere in this article.
Yes, it is and what Lolobug says here is perfect in response:
lolobugg said:
Since when is calling out Clinton's record = to a negative campaign???
Jeez, Hillary fans... how do you think you are going to handle the RNC smear team if you can't handle the truth from Bernie???

Again.. how do you connect Rahm's mayoral record with HRC? Will you be using his record as mayor when you are evaluating Obama's presidency in 5 years? Give me a fucking break.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/03/14/in-chicago-hillary-clintons-ties-to-rahm-emanuel-are-targeted/

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/262207-clinton-expresses-confidence-in-chicago-mayor

Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton says she still has confidence in Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, amid controversy surrounding the delayed release of a video that showed Chicago police shooting a black teenager last year.

Clinton responded “I do” when asked whether she stood by Emanuel, who is a veteran of both the Obama and Clinton administrations...

Free · March 2016

Is this the commercial you're talking about? I think it's pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIVypM6zcKQ

mrussel1 · March 2016

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

lolobugg said:
apologies again for my quote not working but in reference to what you are saying above MRussel1... sounds like Hillary supporters have a guilty conscience if that is what you get out of the ad. Bernie has called out incompetent mayors in Flint and many other cities. if he just happens to be someone the Clintons and other democrats trusted then.. I would say that they are a really poor judge of character. I am not a democrat. I am an independent and hold no loyalty whatsoever to any Democrats. I will call any of them out any and every day. and to echo what Broken Glass said... the Clintons are the best at "dirty politics"...

EDIT: pandering is not a word I want to use and apologizing for misusing it in a political context.
what I wanted to say was lying to people to get their votes at all costs. that is what politicians do and why I respect Bernie amongst the other candidates.
Bernie rises above partisan politics in a number of ways.

I was talking to a woman the other day who is registered as Republican. She said "I don't agree with Bernie's politics but he seems like an honest, and fair man, not corrupt, someone I would like as a friend and a neighbor." This is not a small point. Being honest and fair and not corrupt are some of the best qualities we could ask for in a politician. Another strong point which we don't see elsewhere is Bernie's emphasis on getting involved. He has said that "working class people and young people are beginning to understand that it is imperative that they participate in the political process". You don't hear that from any of the other candidates.

All things to be admired, for sure.
So maybe consider becoming a Bernie supporter? We would welcome your support and added involvement in the struggle to weed corruption from politics!

Here's the thing.. I'm fairly ambivalent about the Dem nomination right now. Most here probably think I don't like Bernie, but that's not the case. I'm mostly a political observer who gets very annoyed with people who search out information that only confirms their own beliefs. And I've seen a lot of that here so I end up arguing a side for which I don't exactly agree, but for more grounded reasons.

To your question, I'm all for CU being overturned. I absolutely disagree with it. But it can only be done with a Constitutional Amendment. Like most of his proposals, they can only be achieved with a seismic liberal shift in this country. But we are not on the cusp of that. One thing I've learned, having been a voter in the Clinton and Bush years is that progressive reforms take time. They aren't seismic. Why do you think the DLC was formed to start? Democrats had been beaten senseless for 14 straight years. The liberal wing had been obliterated by the moderate 30% of the country.

mrussel1 · March 2016

And another thing... I'm in VA. I've already had my primary, so my support is irrelevant at this point. I can tell you that I will vote for the D, whoever it is.

lolobugg · March 2016

I will too.
I don't like Hillary as a person but we can't afford to have another Republican in office at this time.
just wish the DNC would wake up and see that Bernie is the better candidate for the general election.

mrussel1 · March 2016

lolobugg said:
I will too.
I don't like Hillary as a person but we can't afford to have another Republican in office at this time.
just wish the DNC would wake up and see that Bernie is the better candidate for the general election.

Bernie has not been defined by the Right wing or the super PAC's. He and Kasich have high 'no opinion' numbers on them still. They are undefined. For whatever it's worth, both Hillary and Trump are very well defined. I don't think either of them have very much movement, either up or down, in a general election.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · March 2016

lolobugg said:
I will too.
I don't like Hillary as a person but we can't afford to have another Republican in office at this time.
just wish the DNC would wake up and see that Bernie is the better candidate for the general election.

He is the better candidate but he will not be the nominee.
Hilary against Trump is what will be left - Trump will win if Bernie is not the nominee.

mrussel1 · March 2016

Free said:
Is this the commercial you're talking about? I think it's pretty good.

"if you have a presidential candidate that supports someone like our mayor"... that is a negative ad. You may like it because you agree with it, but it's a negative ad. And that was my counter to your point above talking about "Hillary crying".

We have a president that support this mayor. Where's your outrage, Free? Is it that selective?

lolobugg · March 2016

Bernie has not been defined by the Right wing or the super PAC's. He and Kasich have high 'no opinion' numbers on them still. They are undefined. For whatever it's worth, both Hillary and Trump are very well defined. I don't think either of them have very much movement, either up or down, in a general election.

Bernie has got nothing to hide. HRC has got all kinds of skeletons in her closet that the RNC is salivating over.

He is the better candidate but he will not be the nominee.
Hilary against Trump is what will be left - Trump will win if Bernie is not the nominee.

This is what I am afraid of. The party line Dems will get behind Bernie if he wins the nomination.
I can't say the same for the younger voters and Bernie supporters that are tired of the traditional politicians. there is NO enthusiasm for HRC outside of the people that were already planning on voting for her since 2008.

Free · March 2016

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1dh78x0Pr1s

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