No, I'm not being difficult. You are focused on Nevada convention rules. I don't give a shit. All of this was over 2 extra delegates for the National Convention. Have they lost their fucking minds? Does anyone think that this will change the convention outcome or the primaries that are completed? By contrast, it made me focus on the behavior of the Sanders supporters, the anarchy, disruption to civil order, threatening of people, posting of address of Lange's grandchildren's fucking daycare. Are you fucking kidding me?
Yes, yes they have lost their fucking minds. If someone cannot see how split the party is, then they are in total denial. I cannot count how many times I've heard Bernie supporters say "I will never vote for Hillary". My conclusion is that there are Bernie supporters and there are Democrats. They are not always one in the same as some assume. It is a little ironic how people were dissing "the opposition" about not having unity, boasting the love within the democratic and how well Clinton and Sanders were getting along and kissing each other's asses. Many Bernie supporters that I talk to hate Clinton as much as Trump...but saying that feeling is universal, but the sentiment definitely exists.
Right but as soon as Bernie tells his supporters to get behind Hillary they will.
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No, I'm not being difficult. You are focused on Nevada convention rules. I don't give a shit. All of this was over 2 extra delegates for the National Convention. Have they lost their fucking minds? Does anyone think that this will change the convention outcome or the primaries that are completed? By contrast, it made me focus on the behavior of the Sanders supporters, the anarchy, disruption to civil order, threatening of people, posting of address of Lange's grandchildren's fucking daycare. Are you fucking kidding me?
Yes, yes they have lost their fucking minds. If someone cannot see how split the party is, then they are in total denial. I cannot count how many times I've heard Bernie supporters say "I will never vote for Hillary". My conclusion is that there are Bernie supporters and there are Democrats. They are not always one in the same as some assume. It is a little ironic how people were dissing "the opposition" about not having unity, boasting the love within the democratic and how well Clinton and Sanders were getting along and kissing each other's asses. Many Bernie supporters that I talk to hate Clinton as much as Trump...but saying that feeling is universal, but the sentiment definitely exists.
Right but as soon as Bernie tells his supporters to get behind Hillary they will.
Not entirely true. Speaking for myself, I don't plan on voting for her.
I stopped voting for the lesser of two evils last cycle.
I will also probably no longer be affiliated with the Democratic Party.
No, I'm not being difficult. You are focused on Nevada convention rules. I don't give a shit. All of this was over 2 extra delegates for the National Convention. Have they lost their fucking minds? Does anyone think that this will change the convention outcome or the primaries that are completed? By contrast, it made me focus on the behavior of the Sanders supporters, the anarchy, disruption to civil order, threatening of people, posting of address of Lange's grandchildren's fucking daycare. Are you fucking kidding me?
of course you're focused on Sanders supporters. You have been since day 1 with throwing your hate toward Sanders rather than behind whoever your choice candidate is.
You are being difficult, you likely didn't watch 2 videos of 1st hand eyewitness accounts of the NV caucus YET you will sit there and swear that everything is false unless it somehow blames Sanders and his supporters. Give it up already!!
No, I'm not being difficult. You are focused on Nevada convention rules. I don't give a shit. All of this was over 2 extra delegates for the National Convention. Have they lost their fucking minds? Does anyone think that this will change the convention outcome or the primaries that are completed? By contrast, it made me focus on the behavior of the Sanders supporters, the anarchy, disruption to civil order, threatening of people, posting of address of Lange's grandchildren's fucking daycare. Are you fucking kidding me?
Yes, yes they have lost their fucking minds. If someone cannot see how split the party is, then they are in total denial. I cannot count how many times I've heard Bernie supporters say "I will never vote for Hillary". My conclusion is that there are Bernie supporters and there are Democrats. They are not always one in the same as some assume. It is a little ironic how people were dissing "the opposition" about not having unity, boasting the love within the democratic and how well Clinton and Sanders were getting along and kissing each other's asses. Many Bernie supporters that I talk to hate Clinton as much as Trump...but saying that feeling is universal, but the sentiment definitely exists.
Right but as soon as Bernie tells his supporters to get behind Hillary they will.
Not at all. Do you think voters are puppets? Far from it.
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I for one am NOT voting for Hillary UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. No way can I for for someone I detest. What, to help defeat Trump? Nope, not even for that.
If Hillary is the best the Dems can come up with, then maybe we deserve Trump. If it comes to that, I'll focus on helping get the best congresspeople elected and keep voting for or against measures and propositions that come up.
But I haven't thrown in the towel with Bernie. Until he's out of it or wins it, I'm supporting Bernie.
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I for one am NOT voting for Hillary UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. No way can I for for someone I detest. What, to help defeat Trump? Nope, not even for that.
If Hillary is the best the Dems can come up with, then maybe we deserve Trump. If it comes to that, I'll focus on helping get the best congresspeople elected and keep voting for or against measures and propositions that come up.
But I haven't thrown in the towel with Bernie. Until he's out of it or wins it, I'm supporting Bernie.
People looking for trouble found trouble. I don't want to defend the clown, but the left have got to get there shit together. 4 or 5 Midwest states may decide this election, and antics of violence that the left has instigated will swing critical votes to Trump.
So when peaceful protesters get attacked it is the fault of the peaceful protesters??? Okay.
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that's part of the problem of the primary season going on so long. people get exhausted, they get angry, they get hate. it divides the party when it drags too close to the convention, probably moreso than the actual election. the closer the primary, the more damage done to that particular party.
whoever wins the convention should choose the runner-up as their VP.
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People looking for trouble found trouble. I don't want to defend the clown, but the left have got to get there shit together. 4 or 5 Midwest states may decide this election, and antics of violence that the left has instigated will swing critical votes to Trump.
So when peaceful protesters get attacked it is the fault of the peaceful protesters??? Okay.
It is common sense that should be applied to multiple situations. If you go confront a large group in a disrespectful manner, be it Trump supporters, Eagles fans, Hells Angels, Pirates, etc, you are taking on a risk of getting pepper sprayed or your butt kicked.
People looking for trouble found trouble. I don't want to defend the clown, but the left have got to get there shit together. 4 or 5 Midwest states may decide this election, and antics of violence that the left has instigated will swing critical votes to Trump.
So when peaceful protesters get attacked it is the fault of the peaceful protesters??? Okay.
No, I'm not being difficult. You are focused on Nevada convention rules. I don't give a shit. All of this was over 2 extra delegates for the National Convention. Have they lost their fucking minds? Does anyone think that this will change the convention outcome or the primaries that are completed? By contrast, it made me focus on the behavior of the Sanders supporters, the anarchy, disruption to civil order, threatening of people, posting of address of Lange's grandchildren's fucking daycare. Are you fucking kidding me?
Yes, yes they have lost their fucking minds. If someone cannot see how split the party is, then they are in total denial. I cannot count how many times I've heard Bernie supporters say "I will never vote for Hillary". My conclusion is that there are Bernie supporters and there are Democrats. They are not always one in the same as some assume. It is a little ironic how people were dissing "the opposition" about not having unity, boasting the love within the democratic and how well Clinton and Sanders were getting along and kissing each other's asses. Many Bernie supporters that I talk to hate Clinton as much as Trump...but saying that feeling is universal, but the sentiment definitely exists.
Right but as soon as Bernie tells his supporters to get behind Hillary they will.
I'm not so sure. It's an interesting "anti establishment" time in politics and people in both political spectrums seem to be more interested in changing/protesting the status quo than supporting it. On top of what I said earlier, I also believe that many of the people supporting Bernie are only going to go vote of their man is there. I hate to lump them together, but both Bernie and Trump supporters stand pretty firmly in their beliefs and are not going to be willing to vote for party candidates that are perceived as election cheaters against their candidate of choice. I cannot perceive those pissed off people protesting and rallying against Clinton turning around and voting for her, even if Sanders concedes. You have the crowd that would "rather vote for Bernie over Clinton" and the crowd that are adamantly "Bernie or no one". Again, just a personal observation, but most I have talked to seem to be in the latter.
No, I'm not being difficult. You are focused on Nevada convention rules. I don't give a shit. All of this was over 2 extra delegates for the National Convention. Have they lost their fucking minds? Does anyone think that this will change the convention outcome or the primaries that are completed? By contrast, it made me focus on the behavior of the Sanders supporters, the anarchy, disruption to civil order, threatening of people, posting of address of Lange's grandchildren's fucking daycare. Are you fucking kidding me?
of course you're focused on Sanders supporters. You have been since day 1 with throwing your hate toward Sanders rather than behind whoever your choice candidate is.
You are being difficult, you likely didn't watch 2 videos of 1st hand eyewitness accounts of the NV caucus YET you will sit there and swear that everything is false unless it somehow blames Sanders and his supporters. Give it up already!!
I'm not arguing that the protesters were breaching the peace at the convention. I'm saying that they are taking it too far (some of his supporters) with everything that happened after the convention.
No, I'm not being difficult. You are focused on Nevada convention rules. I don't give a shit. All of this was over 2 extra delegates for the National Convention. Have they lost their fucking minds? Does anyone think that this will change the convention outcome or the primaries that are completed? By contrast, it made me focus on the behavior of the Sanders supporters, the anarchy, disruption to civil order, threatening of people, posting of address of Lange's grandchildren's fucking daycare. Are you fucking kidding me?
Yes, yes they have lost their fucking minds. If someone cannot see how split the party is, then they are in total denial. I cannot count how many times I've heard Bernie supporters say "I will never vote for Hillary". My conclusion is that there are Bernie supporters and there are Democrats. They are not always one in the same as some assume. It is a little ironic how people were dissing "the opposition" about not having unity, boasting the love within the democratic and how well Clinton and Sanders were getting along and kissing each other's asses. Many Bernie supporters that I talk to hate Clinton as much as Trump...but saying that feeling is universal, but the sentiment definitely exists.
Right but as soon as Bernie tells his supporters to get behind Hillary they will.
I honestly can't see it happening anyway. The animosity between Sanders and Clinton is getting worse with every primary he wins, and the latest disaster in NV (please watch the 2 videos I posted), with the DNC accusation of Sanders supporters being violent when they're merely getting angry w/ the DNC chairwoman cheating? The media bullshit?
I doubt he supports his supporters voting for Clinton, if she's the candidate. This has become war, practically and it's not over yet.
People looking for trouble found trouble. I don't want to defend the clown, but the left have got to get there shit together. 4 or 5 Midwest states may decide this election, and antics of violence that the left has instigated will swing critical votes to Trump.
So when peaceful protesters get attacked it is the fault of the peaceful protesters??? Okay.
It is common sense that should be applied to multiple situations. If you go confront a large group in a disrespectful manner, be it Trump supporters, Eagles fans, Hells Angels, Pirates, etc, you are taking on a risk of getting pepper sprayed or your butt kicked.
Peaceful protest is one of the most fundamental rights of Americans (or is supposed to be). This is FAR from the first time that I have seen people say the kind of thing you are saying, and every time I am just a bit more dismayed by how Americans seem to have turned their backs on this crucial right that plays a huge role in ensuring the rights and freedoms that Americans claim to cherish. But I'm starting to think that is more just a catch phrase than something they actually value.
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I'd be worried about who Bernie would 'install' in the Supreme Court. Might be an overlooked area of concern, but a balanced Supreme Court isn't a terrible thing.
People looking for trouble found trouble. I don't want to defend the clown, but the left have got to get there shit together. 4 or 5 Midwest states may decide this election, and antics of violence that the left has instigated will swing critical votes to Trump.
So when peaceful protesters get attacked it is the fault of the peaceful protesters??? Okay.
It is common sense that should be applied to multiple situations. If you go confront a large group in a disrespectful manner, be it Trump supporters, Eagles fans, Hells Angels, Pirates, etc, you are taking on a risk of getting pepper sprayed or your butt kicked.
Peaceful protest is one of the most fundamental rights of Americans (or is supposed to be). This is FAR from the first time that I have seen people say the kind of thing you are saying, and every time I am just a bit more dismayed by how Americans seem to have turned their backs on this crucial right that plays a huge role in ensuring the rights and freedoms that Americans claim to cherish. But I'm starting to think that is more just a catch phrase than something they actually value.
Throughout our history, there have been clashes between protesters and opposing parties. This is nothing new. The First Amendment violation happens when the government violates these rights. The most infamous example of course is Selma.
People looking for trouble found trouble. I don't want to defend the clown, but the left have got to get there shit together. 4 or 5 Midwest states may decide this election, and antics of violence that the left has instigated will swing critical votes to Trump.
So when peaceful protesters get attacked it is the fault of the peaceful protesters??? Okay.
It is common sense that should be applied to multiple situations. If you go confront a large group in a disrespectful manner, be it Trump supporters, Eagles fans, Hells Angels, Pirates, etc, you are taking on a risk of getting pepper sprayed or your butt kicked.
Peaceful protest is one of the most fundamental rights of Americans (or is supposed to be). This is FAR from the first time that I have seen people say the kind of thing you are saying, and every time I am just a bit more dismayed by how Americans seem to have turned their backs on this crucial right that plays a huge role in ensuring the rights and freedoms that Americans claim to cherish. But I'm starting to think that is more just a catch phrase than something they actually value.
Throughout our history, there have been clashes between protesters and opposing parties. This is nothing new. The First Amendment violation happens when the government violates these rights. The most infamous example of course is Selma.
Yeah, I know that. But that is completely besides the point. The point is that the protesters are being BLAMED for attacks against them, and the inference is that they shouldn't be protesting and that the violence is THEIR fault just because they are trying to peacefully protest. This appears to be a very common viewpoint that I find incredibly disturbing.
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They weren't protesters. They were delegates. Are we talking about the NV caucus?
It seems that there are multiple conversations happening. My points to you, Free, were about the NV convention this weekend, and what happened there, and afterwards.
People looking for trouble found trouble. I don't want to defend the clown, but the left have got to get there shit together. 4 or 5 Midwest states may decide this election, and antics of violence that the left has instigated will swing critical votes to Trump.
So when peaceful protesters get attacked it is the fault of the peaceful protesters??? Okay.
It is common sense that should be applied to multiple situations. If you go confront a large group in a disrespectful manner, be it Trump supporters, Eagles fans, Hells Angels, Pirates, etc, you are taking on a risk of getting pepper sprayed or your butt kicked.
Peaceful protest is one of the most fundamental rights of Americans (or is supposed to be). This is FAR from the first time that I have seen people say the kind of thing you are saying, and every time I am just a bit more dismayed by how Americans seem to have turned their backs on this crucial right that plays a huge role in ensuring the rights and freedoms that Americans claim to cherish. But I'm starting to think that is more just a catch phrase than something they actually value.
I'm not saying they don't have the right. I'm saying they are taking a known risk.
If someone parked a car outside of a Sanders rally with Trump stickers on it, there is a known risk that the odds that the car could be keyed or have a window smashed out are dramatically higher then if parked outside a 7/11.
People looking for trouble found trouble. I don't want to defend the clown, but the left have got to get there shit together. 4 or 5 Midwest states may decide this election, and antics of violence that the left has instigated will swing critical votes to Trump.
So when peaceful protesters get attacked it is the fault of the peaceful protesters??? Okay.
It is common sense that should be applied to multiple situations. If you go confront a large group in a disrespectful manner, be it Trump supporters, Eagles fans, Hells Angels, Pirates, etc, you are taking on a risk of getting pepper sprayed or your butt kicked.
Peaceful protest is one of the most fundamental rights of Americans (or is supposed to be). This is FAR from the first time that I have seen people say the kind of thing you are saying, and every time I am just a bit more dismayed by how Americans seem to have turned their backs on this crucial right that plays a huge role in ensuring the rights and freedoms that Americans claim to cherish. But I'm starting to think that is more just a catch phrase than something they actually value.
I'm not saying they don't have the right. I'm saying they are taking a known risk.
If someone parked a car outside of a Sanders rally with Trump stickers on it, there is a known risk that the odds that the car could be keyed or have a window smashed out are dramatically higher then if parked outside a 7/11.
People looking for trouble found trouble. I don't want to defend the clown, but the left have got to get there shit together. 4 or 5 Midwest states may decide this election, and antics of violence that the left has instigated will swing critical votes to Trump.
So when peaceful protesters get attacked it is the fault of the peaceful protesters??? Okay.
It is common sense that should be applied to multiple situations. If you go confront a large group in a disrespectful manner, be it Trump supporters, Eagles fans, Hells Angels, Pirates, etc, you are taking on a risk of getting pepper sprayed or your butt kicked.
Peaceful protest is one of the most fundamental rights of Americans (or is supposed to be). This is FAR from the first time that I have seen people say the kind of thing you are saying, and every time I am just a bit more dismayed by how Americans seem to have turned their backs on this crucial right that plays a huge role in ensuring the rights and freedoms that Americans claim to cherish. But I'm starting to think that is more just a catch phrase than something they actually value.
I'm not saying they don't have the right. I'm saying they are taking a known risk.
If someone parked a car outside of a Sanders rally with Trump stickers on it, there is a known risk that the odds that the car could be keyed or have a window smashed out are dramatically higher then if parked outside a 7/11.
No, I realize that you know they have the right to do it, but I'm talking about the attitude towards it (not you in particular). I.e. if a peaceful protestor gets attacked it's their fault for being there rather than the fault of the attacker, or at the very least they are not deserving of defense (akin to blaming rape victims when they wear short skirts, frankly). If peaceful protestors interrupt traffic or cause any inconvenience to anyone at any time they are the "enemy". This seems to be a very common attitude among Americans lately, and it is a dangerous trend IMO.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
No, I'm not being difficult. You are focused on Nevada convention rules. I don't give a shit. All of this was over 2 extra delegates for the National Convention. Have they lost their fucking minds? Does anyone think that this will change the convention outcome or the primaries that are completed? By contrast, it made me focus on the behavior of the Sanders supporters, the anarchy, disruption to civil order, threatening of people, posting of address of Lange's grandchildren's fucking daycare. Are you fucking kidding me?
Yes, yes they have lost their fucking minds. If someone cannot see how split the party is, then they are in total denial. I cannot count how many times I've heard Bernie supporters say "I will never vote for Hillary". My conclusion is that there are Bernie supporters and there are Democrats. They are not always one in the same as some assume. It is a little ironic how people were dissing "the opposition" about not having unity, boasting the love within the democratic and how well Clinton and Sanders were getting along and kissing each other's asses. Many Bernie supporters that I talk to hate Clinton as much as Trump...but saying that feeling is universal, but the sentiment definitely exists.
Right but as soon as Bernie tells his supporters to get behind Hillary they will.
I honestly can't see it happening anyway. The animosity between Sanders and Clinton is getting worse with every primary he wins, and the latest disaster in NV (please watch the 2 videos I posted), with the DNC accusation of Sanders supporters being violent when they're merely getting angry w/ the DNC chairwoman cheating? The media bullshit?
I doubt he supports his supporters voting for Clinton, if she's the candidate. This has become war, practically and it's not over yet.
You may be right, but I highly doubt it. I'm pretty sure Bernie, or anyone purporting to be a leader, understands that sometimes progress means not taking a step backwards. He may be at "war" with HRC at this point, but I'd bet he knows full well the importance of compromise and that the alternative is a comb-over, egomaniac, nut-job.
No, I'm not being difficult. You are focused on Nevada convention rules. I don't give a shit. All of this was over 2 extra delegates for the National Convention. Have they lost their fucking minds? Does anyone think that this will change the convention outcome or the primaries that are completed? By contrast, it made me focus on the behavior of the Sanders supporters, the anarchy, disruption to civil order, threatening of people, posting of address of Lange's grandchildren's fucking daycare. Are you fucking kidding me?
Yes, yes they have lost their fucking minds. If someone cannot see how split the party is, then they are in total denial. I cannot count how many times I've heard Bernie supporters say "I will never vote for Hillary". My conclusion is that there are Bernie supporters and there are Democrats. They are not always one in the same as some assume. It is a little ironic how people were dissing "the opposition" about not having unity, boasting the love within the democratic and how well Clinton and Sanders were getting along and kissing each other's asses. Many Bernie supporters that I talk to hate Clinton as much as Trump...but saying that feeling is universal, but the sentiment definitely exists.
Right but as soon as Bernie tells his supporters to get behind Hillary they will.
I honestly can't see it happening anyway. The animosity between Sanders and Clinton is getting worse with every primary he wins, and the latest disaster in NV (please watch the 2 videos I posted), with the DNC accusation of Sanders supporters being violent when they're merely getting angry w/ the DNC chairwoman cheating? The media bullshit?
I doubt he supports his supporters voting for Clinton, if she's the candidate. This has become war, practically and it's not over yet.
You may be right, but I highly doubt it. I'm pretty sure Bernie, or anyone purporting to be a leader, understands that sometimes progress means not taking a step backwards. He may be at "war" with HRC at this point, but I'd bet he knows full well the importance of compromise and that the alternative is a comb-over, egomaniac, nut-job.
I agree.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
People looking for trouble found trouble. I don't want to defend the clown, but the left have got to get there shit together. 4 or 5 Midwest states may decide this election, and antics of violence that the left has instigated will swing critical votes to Trump.
So when peaceful protesters get attacked it is the fault of the peaceful protesters??? Okay.
It is common sense that should be applied to multiple situations. If you go confront a large group in a disrespectful manner, be it Trump supporters, Eagles fans, Hells Angels, Pirates, etc, you are taking on a risk of getting pepper sprayed or your butt kicked.
Peaceful protest is one of the most fundamental rights of Americans (or is supposed to be). This is FAR from the first time that I have seen people say the kind of thing you are saying, and every time I am just a bit more dismayed by how Americans seem to have turned their backs on this crucial right that plays a huge role in ensuring the rights and freedoms that Americans claim to cherish. But I'm starting to think that is more just a catch phrase than something they actually value.
I'm not saying they don't have the right. I'm saying they are taking a known risk.
If someone parked a car outside of a Sanders rally with Trump stickers on it, there is a known risk that the odds that the car could be keyed or have a window smashed out are dramatically higher then if parked outside a 7/11.
No, I realize that you know they have the right to do it, but I'm talking about the attitude towards it (not you in particular). I.e. if a peaceful protestor gets attacked it's their fault for being there rather than the fault of the attacker, or at the very least they are not deserving of defense (akin to blaming rape victims when they wear short skirts, frankly). If peaceful protestors interrupt traffic or cause any inconvenience to anyone at any time they are the "enemy". This seems to be a very common attitude among American lately, and it is a dangerous trend IMO.
Americans are in love with being offended about everything.
I forgot something, that goes w/ easily being offended: nothing is ever their fault either. Common 'Merican.
There are many news outlets with reports of Bernie supporters inciting violence and death threats in Nevada ... And not even against The Clown! Just do a quick google search.
The left is split. The GOP is going to rally around The Clown while the dems fight amounts each other for the next several months.
Clearly you haven't read any of my posts, certainly haven't watched the NV caucus video I posted.
Rather than post an actual SOURCE of these lies, (because as I said before, actual delegates AT the caucus have cited those lies to be the typical media making shit up again), you will just say "look at Google"?
This is the EXACT reason why the media makes it up: because gullible folks like you will believe everything they read on the Internet.
A firsthand video versus the mainstream media. Those posting on social networks with VIDEO of the caucus are first-hand accounts. There is no agenda! It's of the actual event not a news story.
You sound like Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin constantly yelling about the "mainstream media "
People looking for trouble found trouble. I don't want to defend the clown, but the left have got to get there shit together. 4 or 5 Midwest states may decide this election, and antics of violence that the left has instigated will swing critical votes to Trump.
So when peaceful protesters get attacked it is the fault of the peaceful protesters??? Okay.
It is common sense that should be applied to multiple situations. If you go confront a large group in a disrespectful manner, be it Trump supporters, Eagles fans, Hells Angels, Pirates, etc, you are taking on a risk of getting pepper sprayed or your butt kicked.
Peaceful protest is one of the most fundamental rights of Americans (or is supposed to be). This is FAR from the first time that I have seen people say the kind of thing you are saying, and every time I am just a bit more dismayed by how Americans seem to have turned their backs on this crucial right that plays a huge role in ensuring the rights and freedoms that Americans claim to cherish. But I'm starting to think that is more just a catch phrase than something they actually value.
I'm not saying they don't have the right. I'm saying they are taking a known risk.
If someone parked a car outside of a Sanders rally with Trump stickers on it, there is a known risk that the odds that the car could be keyed or have a window smashed out are dramatically higher then if parked outside a 7/11.
No, I realize that you know they have the right to do it, but I'm talking about the attitude towards it (not you in particular). I.e. if a peaceful protestor gets attacked it's their fault for being there rather than the fault of the attacker, or at the very least they are not deserving of defense (akin to blaming rape victims when they wear short skirts, frankly). If peaceful protestors interrupt traffic or cause any inconvenience to anyone at any time they are the "enemy". This seems to be a very common attitude among Americans lately, and it is a dangerous trend IMO.
It reminds me of George Carlin's sentiments on religion, where he says that religion only has a problem with murder if it's murdering someone who worships a different invisible man than the one you worship. It is human nature that the rules or values we see as rigid become incredibly flexible as the rules or values err on sides opposite of our own, and this is no different. It's not an American problem - it's a humanitarian epidemic. Our minds, our hunger, our greed, do not permit us to be truly idealistic. The violence always seems to be the fault of "the other side".
On the topic of violence with Sanders supporters specifically, if Sanders isn't condoning or inciting the violence, and his supporters are doing it of their own volition, I still fail to see how this reflects poorly on Sanders. If it's simply an attempt to say that Sanders supporters are barbaric and inhumane people and that these would be the citizens whose voices would be heard were Sanders elected - I would say that this is a fallacious attack, and is in stark contrast to the fact that when people talk about Trump inciting violence at his rallies (which he has, blatantly) - it's dismissed with a simple "yeah, but that's Trump" as though he's some loony with no power - and not the frontrunner for the Republican nominee.
Am I the only one who finds this all mind-boggling?
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There are many news outlets with reports of Bernie supporters inciting violence and death threats in Nevada ... And not even against The Clown! Just do a quick google search.
The left is split. The GOP is going to rally around The Clown while the dems fight amounts each other for the next several months.
Clearly you haven't read any of my posts, certainly haven't watched the NV caucus video I posted.
Rather than post an actual SOURCE of these lies, (because as I said before, actual delegates AT the caucus have cited those lies to be the typical media making shit up again), you will just say "look at Google"?
This is the EXACT reason why the media makes it up: because gullible folks like you will believe everything they read on the Internet.
A firsthand video versus the mainstream media. Those posting on social networks with VIDEO of the caucus are first-hand accounts. There is no agenda! It's of the actual event not a news story.
You sound like Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin constantly yelling about the "mainstream media "
Except I am at the other end of the spectrum. Hey, if you want to think they tell you factual info w/ no bias, please, continue to be naive.
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2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
I stopped voting for the lesser of two evils last cycle.
I will also probably no longer be affiliated with the Democratic Party.
You are being difficult, you likely didn't watch 2 videos of 1st hand eyewitness accounts of the NV caucus YET you will sit there and swear that everything is false unless it somehow blames Sanders and his supporters. Give it up already!!
If Hillary is the best the Dems can come up with, then maybe we deserve Trump. If it comes to that, I'll focus on helping get the best congresspeople elected and keep voting for or against measures and propositions that come up.
But I haven't thrown in the towel with Bernie. Until he's out of it or wins it, I'm supporting Bernie.
whoever wins the convention should choose the runner-up as their VP.
-EV 8/14/93
I doubt he supports his supporters voting for Clinton, if she's the candidate. This has become war, practically and it's not over yet.
If someone parked a car outside of a Sanders rally with Trump stickers on it, there is a known risk that the odds that the car could be keyed or have a window smashed out are dramatically higher then if parked outside a 7/11.
I forgot something, that goes w/ easily being offended: nothing is ever their fault either. Common 'Merican.
On the topic of violence with Sanders supporters specifically, if Sanders isn't condoning or inciting the violence, and his supporters are doing it of their own volition, I still fail to see how this reflects poorly on Sanders. If it's simply an attempt to say that Sanders supporters are barbaric and inhumane people and that these would be the citizens whose voices would be heard were Sanders elected - I would say that this is a fallacious attack, and is in stark contrast to the fact that when people talk about Trump inciting violence at his rallies (which he has, blatantly) - it's dismissed with a simple "yeah, but that's Trump" as though he's some loony with no power - and not the frontrunner for the Republican nominee.
Am I the only one who finds this all mind-boggling?
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1