I know several people I work with voted for Sanders ... but they are Republicans and did it in a strategy to defeat Clinton
Jason, forgive me for my lack of knowledge on how primaries work in the States, but I thought you had to affiliate with either Democrats or Republicans prior to the primaries, in order to cast a vote for one of their running candidates? Weren't there just big fusses in fact over how hard it was to switch your affiliation, and some people's affiliations being switched beforehand without their consent? I'm surprised to hear this can be exploited in the other direction too (too many votes as opposed to too few).
It depends on the state. Open primaries, closed primaries, and caucuses! Oh my! In NY you had to affiliate way in advance. Some other states you need to affiliate but you can do it as late as day of. The whole thing is stupid.
I know several people I work with voted for Sanders ... but they are Republicans and did it in a strategy to defeat Clinton
Jason, forgive me for my lack of knowledge on how primaries work in the States, but I thought you had to affiliate with either Democrats or Republicans prior to the primaries, in order to cast a vote for one of their running candidates? Weren't there just big fusses in fact over how hard it was to switch your affiliation, and some people's affiliations being switched beforehand without their consent? I'm surprised to hear this can be exploited in the other direction too (too many votes as opposed to too few).
It depends on the state. Open primaries, closed primaries, and caucuses! Oh my! In NY you had to affiliate way in advance. Some other states you need to affiliate but you can do it as late as day of. The whole thing is stupid.
Bizarre. I can't wrap my head around this - seems so absurd to have different rules and regulations depending on what state you live in. So much for united.
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I don't know why the US has to make it so complicated. Why don't the parties just do a nice, simple internal nomination and vote for their leader and that's it? Canada does it that way, no fuss, no muss, no idiocy, no media feeding frenzy.
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I don't know why the US has to make it so complicated. Why don't the parties just do a nice, simple internal nomination and vote for their leader and that's it? Canada does it that way, no fuss, no muss, no idiocy, no media feeding frenzy.
I think the reasons are basically three fold. 1) we are slow to change, 2) we like things to be complicated and 3) media frenzy is an integral part of our political system and national psyche.
I know several people I work with voted for Sanders ... but they are Republicans and did it in a strategy to defeat Clinton
Jason, forgive me for my lack of knowledge on how primaries work in the States, but I thought you had to affiliate with either Democrats or Republicans prior to the primaries, in order to cast a vote for one of their running candidates? Weren't there just big fusses in fact over how hard it was to switch your affiliation, and some people's affiliations being switched beforehand without their consent? I'm surprised to hear this can be exploited in the other direction too (too many votes as opposed to too few).
It depends on the state. Open primaries, closed primaries, and caucuses! Oh my! In NY you had to affiliate way in advance. Some other states you need to affiliate but you can do it as late as day of. The whole thing is stupid.
Bizarre. I can't wrap my head around this - seems so absurd to have different rules and regulations depending on what state you live in. So much for united.
Remember that this country was founded as an affiliation of individual states, held together by the Constitution. The push/pull between state and federal has always been the great debate in this country. The Civil War certainly answered some of the questions, but the state has always had a great tradition as the 'laboratory of democracy'. It's one of the very unique qualities of the American system. The Tenth Amendment states that all rights not specifically granted to the Federal Gov't are reserved for the people or the states. The primary processes are not addressed in the Constitution, therefore reserved to the state.
"This proposal comes in the wake of public outcry after Sanders received nearly double the votes of Hillary Clinton in the state’s caucus (64%-35%), but only 1 of the 5 available superdelegates."
What a joke this rigged system is. How can people not want to see it changed is beyond me.
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"This proposal comes in the wake of public outcry after Sanders received nearly double the votes of Hillary Clinton in the state’s caucus (64%-35%), but only 1 of the 5 available superdelegates."
What a joke this rigged system is. How can people not want to see it changed is beyond me.
Good on Maine, eh?
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"This proposal comes in the wake of public outcry after Sanders received nearly double the votes of Hillary Clinton in the state’s caucus (64%-35%), but only 1 of the 5 available superdelegates."
What a joke this rigged system is. How can people not want to see it changed is beyond me.
Good on Maine, eh?
For sure!
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hmmmmm...so since I'm sure some of you have claimed HOW important voting is, some of you will skip voting for Clinton because you figure Trump can not/will not win ... correct? So what if all Bernie supporters declined to vote for Clinton ... that might tighten the race up or the unthinkable Trump wins. Either way this is exactly why I don't vote ... it is pretty simple ... the establishment decides who our elected officials are ... your country, its through the primary process, in my country its through party conventions, either way both systems are incredibly corrupt and these systems are why there are so many disenchanted voters out there who don't vote. Your system as well as the system in my country has to change ... IMHO.
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hmmmmm...so since I'm sure some of you have claimed HOW important voting is, some of you will skip voting for Clinton because you figure Trump can not/will not win ... correct? So what if all Bernie supporters declined to vote for Clinton ... that might tighten the race up or the unthinkable Trump wins. Either way this is exactly why I don't vote ... it is pretty simple ... the establishment decides who our elected officials are ... your country, its through the primary process, in my country its through party conventions, either way both systems are incredibly corrupt and these systems are why there are so many disenchanted voters out there who don't vote. Your system as well as the system in my country has to change ... IMHO.
I still think it's worth at least trying to help vote in your chosen candidate but, unfortunately, what you are saying here sound completely correct to me, lukin. But what about voting for state/provincial, county, and local offices where there is less of a chance of the winner being predetermined and what about measure and propositions? Do you not believe they are worth the effort to vote for? And, less important but maybe a consideration, what about voting as a way to exercise the freedom you have to do so?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I wonder if these will have the same after market value as pearl jam stickers
Off topic but do PJ stickers have any value? I have lots that I've collected over the years from various shows.
Mad late but yes. Show stickers can go for anywhere between $5-$50 depending on the show. Ebay "sold" stickers for specific pricing and check on here and in the pearl jam stickers collectors group on Facebook too. Older stuff from before the show specific stickers like the bomb sticker & angel sticker are highly sought after too.
hmmmmm...so since I'm sure some of you have claimed HOW important voting is, some of you will skip voting for Clinton because you figure Trump can not/will not win ... correct? So what if all Bernie supporters declined to vote for Clinton ... that might tighten the race up or the unthinkable Trump wins. Either way this is exactly why I don't vote ... it is pretty simple ... the establishment decides who our elected officials are ... your country, its through the primary process, in my country its through party conventions, either way both systems are incredibly corrupt and these systems are why there are so many disenchanted voters out there who don't vote. Your system as well as the system in my country has to change ... IMHO.
I still think it's worth at least trying to help vote in your chosen candidate but, unfortunately, what you are saying here sound completely correct to me, lukin. But what about voting for state/provincial, county, and local offices where there is less of a chance of the winner being predetermined and what about measure and propositions? Do you not believe they are worth the effort to vote for? And, less important but maybe a consideration, what about voting as a way to exercise the freedom you have to do so?
Just to back up B-lux here. I heard (on the internet) that the congressional seats up for grabs in this election season are super duper important so we should all go pay attention to those now instead of the Donald. Personally I think I'm gonna try to figure out what that means before I worry about whether I'm going to be bullied into voting for Hilary or not as a vote against trump.
I think it will be a hilarious nightmare to see Trump win because of Bernie supporters sitting out the election.
Wake up people----yes it is the lesser of two evils, which i despise as much or more as the next person......however the evil that is shaded in orange could easily get us all killed
It is weird that Obama got so much press against Hillary. It's not like she has changed in eight years.
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Totally bummed that I didn't even know Bernie was going to be in Sacramento (which only an hour away). Probably couldn't have made it with my lower back having gone out big-time this last week but wish I'd at least known. Damn!
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In NY you had to affiliate way in advance. Some other states you need to affiliate but you can do it as late as day of. The whole thing is stupid.
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Look how different U.S. and Canadian media are:
http://www.upworthy.com/this-side-by-side-comparison-of-american-and-canadian-media-on-the-parliament-shooting-says-a-lot
The Tenth Amendment states that all rights not specifically granted to the Federal Gov't are reserved for the people or the states. The primary processes are not addressed in the Constitution, therefore reserved to the state.
http://www.wnyc.org/story/second-brooklyn-elex-official-suspended-after-primary-foul/
http://usuncut.com/news/maine-dem-superdelegates/
What a joke this rigged system is. How can people not want to see it changed is beyond me.
I wonder if these will have the same after market value as pearl jam stickers
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"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Personally I think I'm gonna try to figure out what that means before I worry about whether I'm going to be bullied into voting for Hilary or not as a vote against trump.
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Wake up people----yes it is the lesser of two evils, which i despise as much or more as the next person......however the evil that is shaded in orange could easily get us all killed
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/trump-clinton-florida-ohio-pennsylvania-222994
https://medium.com/@tonybrasunas/sanders-crushing-trump-in-polls-53-to-38-seen-as-strongest-general-election-candidate-6865db4d9d72#.onuoyyavh
http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-sanders-sacramento-california/
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