Bernie Sanders for President

cottagesteeze said:

PP193448 said:

mrussel1 said:

PP193448 said:

mrussel1 said:

PP193448 said:

So let me get this straight... Bernie Sanders wants everything to be free socialist society. The "rich" people pay all the taxes and everyone gets to free load. Free college tuition so you can go to school and get degrees to further yourself, to get the better higher paying jobs, so you can get taxed at 90% after you start your great job???? Seriously?? The guy is just as nutty as Trump. He might not be labeled a biggot but he's still fucking nuts...

Well, I think this is a bit hyperbolic, but there's an element of truth. And it's really the problem with the policies. When you start taxing people at 45% at 200k family incomes, you start losing voters. Starting with me. I've been saying for a long time that the issue is the cost of tuition. But I don't hear Elizabeth Warren railing against her former employer (Harvard) who charges 60k a year for tuition while it sits on a 37 BILLION dollar endowment. Where's the outrage there, Senators Warren and Sanders?

Agreed. Where's the cap on tuition fees?? Where is the regulation for misuse of college funding?? Why does a college football stadium need to have a movie theater and bowling alley?? Why the hell should a college president make more than a million dollars?? Because it's just another corporation with the same lawyers and lobbying for loop holes and greed...

Exactly! Schools have become these vacation lands with innumerable meal plan choices, beautiful quads, exercise facilities, etc.. Well it wasn't like that when I went to a 36k student public school in FL. I went to class and then went to work at a restaurant that night. That was life and it was tough. I could only take 9 hours a semester due to work so it took over five years to graduate. I'm sorry, I don't have a ton of sympathy for white middle class students today.

Exactly. I worked thru college as resident assistant 2.5 years in the dorm that I lived in. I lived in the dorm all 4 years, because I sure as hell couldn't afford an apartment. Had boatload of college loan debit after graduate school. How about reimbursement of my tuition and interest fees, plus compounded interest for my money. This whole free loader mentality is ridiculous. People don't want to contribute to society but want everything contributed to them. Free tuition, free healthcare, free whatever. And no one should disagree with any of it??? How about the fact that I need water to drink to survive as a human being, and that I "deserve" free clean drinking water coming out my faucet. I deserve free plumbing so my shit doesn't back up in my house (literally). How about free electric because I need to have power for my computers and to charge my iPad...
The welfare system is broken in this country. Too much gaming of the system. So let's have more immigrants come in and jump on the bandwagon. The welfare system needs fixed to benefit the people who actually need it. The government is broken in this country, too much greed, lobbying, corruption. The whole thing needs fixed. Neither party has all the answers.

I don't understand how wanting to not go 40K in debt for an education is asking for handouts? Last I checked going to school (especially finishing in 4 years as I did) is hard work. It is not being lazy. It doesnt make much sense to me to use the words wanting education and lazy in the same sentence. If we were lazy, we wouldn't give a damn about getting an education, we would just be flipping burgers.

PP193448 said:

So let me get this straight... Bernie Sanders wants everything to be free socialist society. The "rich" people pay all the taxes and everyone gets to free load. Free college tuition so you can go to school and get degrees to further yourself, to get the better higher paying jobs, so you can get taxed at 90% after you start your great job???? Seriously?? The guy is just as nutty as Trump. He might not be labeled a biggot but he's still fucking nuts...

cottagesteeze said:

PP193448 said:

mrussel1 said:

PP193448 said:

mrussel1 said:

PP193448 said:

So let me get this straight... Bernie Sanders wants everything to be free socialist society. The "rich" people pay all the taxes and everyone gets to free load. Free college tuition so you can go to school and get degrees to further yourself, to get the better higher paying jobs, so you can get taxed at 90% after you start your great job???? Seriously?? The guy is just as nutty as Trump. He might not be labeled a biggot but he's still fucking nuts...

Well, I think this is a bit hyperbolic, but there's an element of truth. And it's really the problem with the policies. When you start taxing people at 45% at 200k family incomes, you start losing voters. Starting with me. I've been saying for a long time that the issue is the cost of tuition. But I don't hear Elizabeth Warren railing against her former employer (Harvard) who charges 60k a year for tuition while it sits on a 37 BILLION dollar endowment. Where's the outrage there, Senators Warren and Sanders?

Agreed. Where's the cap on tuition fees?? Where is the regulation for misuse of college funding?? Why does a college football stadium need to have a movie theater and bowling alley?? Why the hell should a college president make more than a million dollars?? Because it's just another corporation with the same lawyers and lobbying for loop holes and greed...

Exactly! Schools have become these vacation lands with innumerable meal plan choices, beautiful quads, exercise facilities, etc.. Well it wasn't like that when I went to a 36k student public school in FL. I went to class and then went to work at a restaurant that night. That was life and it was tough. I could only take 9 hours a semester due to work so it took over five years to graduate. I'm sorry, I don't have a ton of sympathy for white middle class students today.

Exactly. I worked thru college as resident assistant 2.5 years in the dorm that I lived in. I lived in the dorm all 4 years, because I sure as hell couldn't afford an apartment. Had boatload of college loan debit after graduate school. How about reimbursement of my tuition and interest fees, plus compounded interest for my money. This whole free loader mentality is ridiculous. People don't want to contribute to society but want everything contributed to them. Free tuition, free healthcare, free whatever. And no one should disagree with any of it??? How about the fact that I need water to drink to survive as a human being, and that I "deserve" free clean drinking water coming out my faucet. I deserve free plumbing so my shit doesn't back up in my house (literally). How about free electric because I need to have power for my computers and to charge my iPad...
The welfare system is broken in this country. Too much gaming of the system. So let's have more immigrants come in and jump on the bandwagon. The welfare system needs fixed to benefit the people who actually need it. The government is broken in this country, too much greed, lobbying, corruption. The whole thing needs fixed. Neither party has all the answers.

I don't understand how wanting to not go 40K in debt for an education is asking for handouts? Last I checked going to school (especially finishing in 4 years as I did) is hard work. It is not being lazy. It doesnt make much sense to me to use the words wanting education and lazy in the same sentence. If we were lazy, we wouldn't give a damn about getting an education, we would just be flipping burgers.

PP193448 said:

PJ_Soul said:

PP193448 said:

So let me get this straight... Bernie Sanders wants everything to be free socialist society. The "rich" people pay all the taxes and everyone gets to free load. Free college tuition so you can go to school and get degrees to further yourself, to get the better higher paying jobs, so you can get taxed at 90% after you start your great job???? Seriously?? The guy is just as nutty as Trump. He might not be labeled a biggot but he's still fucking nuts...

You don't have it straight at all.
It's funny to me that so many Americans think this while so many democratic countries successfully do the things that Bernie suggests. Do you guys purposefully spread propaganda on this point, or do you seriously believe this dumb shit?

So teach me oh wise one. Please explain to me how Bernie Sanders and socialism are the best things on the planet... Instead of criticizing people for their opinions, offer other meaningful discussion. But it's just the same from the crazy left and right all the time. Common sense goes out the door.

callen said:

cottagesteeze said:

PP193448 said:

mrussel1 said:

PP193448 said:

mrussel1 said:

PP193448 said:

So let me get this straight... Bernie Sanders wants everything to be free socialist society. The "rich" people pay all the taxes and everyone gets to free load. Free college tuition so you can go to school and get degrees to further yourself, to get the better higher paying jobs, so you can get taxed at 90% after you start your great job???? Seriously?? The guy is just as nutty as Trump. He might not be labeled a biggot but he's still fucking nuts...

Well, I think this is a bit hyperbolic, but there's an element of truth. And it's really the problem with the policies. When you start taxing people at 45% at 200k family incomes, you start losing voters. Starting with me. I've been saying for a long time that the issue is the cost of tuition. But I don't hear Elizabeth Warren railing against her former employer (Harvard) who charges 60k a year for tuition while it sits on a 37 BILLION dollar endowment. Where's the outrage there, Senators Warren and Sanders?

Agreed. Where's the cap on tuition fees?? Where is the regulation for misuse of college funding?? Why does a college football stadium need to have a movie theater and bowling alley?? Why the hell should a college president make more than a million dollars?? Because it's just another corporation with the same lawyers and lobbying for loop holes and greed...

Exactly! Schools have become these vacation lands with innumerable meal plan choices, beautiful quads, exercise facilities, etc.. Well it wasn't like that when I went to a 36k student public school in FL. I went to class and then went to work at a restaurant that night. That was life and it was tough. I could only take 9 hours a semester due to work so it took over five years to graduate. I'm sorry, I don't have a ton of sympathy for white middle class students today.

Exactly. I worked thru college as resident assistant 2.5 years in the dorm that I lived in. I lived in the dorm all 4 years, because I sure as hell couldn't afford an apartment. Had boatload of college loan debit after graduate school. How about reimbursement of my tuition and interest fees, plus compounded interest for my money. This whole free loader mentality is ridiculous. People don't want to contribute to society but want everything contributed to them. Free tuition, free healthcare, free whatever. And no one should disagree with any of it??? How about the fact that I need water to drink to survive as a human being, and that I "deserve" free clean drinking water coming out my faucet. I deserve free plumbing so my shit doesn't back up in my house (literally). How about free electric because I need to have power for my computers and to charge my iPad...
The welfare system is broken in this country. Too much gaming of the system. So let's have more immigrants come in and jump on the bandwagon. The welfare system needs fixed to benefit the people who actually need it. The government is broken in this country, too much greed, lobbying, corruption. The whole thing needs fixed. Neither party has all the answers.

I don't understand how wanting to not go 40K in debt for an education is asking for handouts? Last I checked going to school (especially finishing in 4 years as I did) is hard work. It is not being lazy. It doesnt make much sense to me to use the words wanting education and lazy in the same sentence. If we were lazy, we wouldn't give a damn about getting an education, we would just be flipping burgers.

Going to college and not doing it with a full time job is easy. Comparatively. As did Mrusselll, I paid as I went. Took a while. Would of loved having four years out of high school to focus exclusively on school.

Great points on colleges now being corporations. Need to drop all sports. Football. Basketball. All marketing waste.

PJ_Soul said:

PP193448 said:

So why don't you give 90% of your salary away to Canadian government and see how you like it??

Where are you getting 90%? Out of your butt?
Sanders is proposing much of what Canada already does. His plans seem pretty normal to us.

EarlWelsh said:

PP193448 said:

PJ_Soul said:

PP193448 said:

So why don't you give 90% of your salary away to Canadian government and see how you like it??

Where are you getting 90%? Out of your butt?
Sanders is proposing much of what Canada already does. His plans seem pretty normal to us.

Yes out my butt. That number is not correct. I will not talk numbers like that again.

You promise? Say it. Say you promise.

No more perpetuating silly made up numbers. I thought the 90% argument was long since put to bed.

PP193448 said:

I will shut up now and plan to vote for Trump (just kidding)

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

PP193448 said:

I will shut up now and plan to vote for Trump (just kidding)

Or are you?