2016 Republican Presidential Candidates.

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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited March 2016
    mrussel1 said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    So is this a yearly thing where your government asks to raise the debt ceiling?

    Evidently the one from this past fall should be good until 2017.
    Good timing for the outgoing.
    No wonder the deficit is not addressed by others, just trump.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    So is this a yearly thing where your government asks to raise the debt ceiling?

    Evidently the one from this past fall should be good until 2017.
    Good timing for the outgoing.
    No wonder the deficit is not addressed by others, just trump.
    It's not a budgetary issue. The spending was already approved by Congress. That's the irony of holding it up. Congress already approved the spending. It's akin to buying something, then refusing to pay the interest when the credit card statement arrives.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    mrussel1 said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    So is this a yearly thing where your government asks to raise the debt ceiling?

    Evidently the one from this past fall should be good until 2017.
    Good timing for the outgoing.
    No wonder the deficit is not addressed by others, just trump.
    It's not a budgetary issue. The spending was already approved by Congress. That's the irony of holding it up. Congress already approved the spending. It's akin to buying something, then refusing to pay the interest when the credit card statement arrives.
    Eventually the funny money (interest) demands payment.
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    mrussel1 said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    I think sanders would be better than Clinton
    here are his ideas and how he intends to pay https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-bernie-pays-for-his-proposals/

    There are some problems with the proposals. For example on education, his 'speculation' tax is really a trade tax. Let's be clear. So if you go sell 25 shares of Apple to buy a car, buy a house, etc., then you pay a tax (along with capital gains). You will also pay on the buy side as well. Now, they estimate that it will produce 300 billion a year in extra tax revenue. Other estimates half that number. I think Bernie's advisers believe that trading will continue at the current pace. It won't. That defies the laws of economics.

    Medicaire for all... There are a ton of base assumptions and some misleading angles in the proposal. For example, an 11% increase in payroll tax on 'business' sounds nice, but payroll taxes get passed on to the wage earner. You pay for it down there. And even if the math did work (not sure if it does), do we really want Medicare as our mandated health insurer? I sure as hell don't. My mom has medicare (she's 82) and it's a total PITA with lots of downfalls. Yes, I pay a lot for my health care, but it's superior than the administration by the government.

    There are some interesting ideas. For example, I could get behind community college (2 years) as a base as part of standard education. But I prefer some state tries it first. Why try it federally to start? I do agree that the rate for education loans should be the discount rate. That's essentially what he is saying.

    Here's an interesting read: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jan/13/how-much-would-bernie-sanders-health-care-plan-cos/

    The one thing that he does not address is the deficit. Hell, many of these taxes should be imposed without any additional benefits, simply to reduce the deficit numbers today.

    It all sounds so good.who wouldn't want to pay more for everything?
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton revealed to be distant cousins as family trees show they share same set of royal ancestors

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3210778/Donald-Trump-Hillary-Clinton-revealed-distant-cousins-family-trees-share-set-royal-ancestors.html
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    The reason why no one can stop Trump is so far none of the leading alternatives are much better.

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    JimmyV said:

    The reason why no one can stop Trump is so far none of the leading alternatives are much better.

    Awesome...a police state in certain neighborhoods.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,388
    Religious test for simple being.

    Its funny Iran gets demonized as state sponsers. Saudi Arabia doesnt for the promotion of the house of Saud's wahhabist sect which seems to be the wellspring of the global terror networks. While also COMPLETELY IGNORING THE POLITICAL goals of many of these groups.

    Lets just keep it all focused on the religion as a whole.
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  • InHiding80
    InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    JimmyV said:

    The reason why no one can stop Trump is so far none of the leading alternatives are much better.

    This is the same idiot who represents the kind of fundie crybabies who are offended by politically incorrect behavior in movies, music and "liberal" media in general. Who does he think he's fooling? It's the fundies who are offended by sex, violence and foul language in movies last time I checked.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,071
    mrussel1 said:

    JimmyV said:

    The reason why no one can stop Trump is so far none of the leading alternatives are much better.

    Awesome...a police state in certain neighborhoods.
    yes let's just profile all muslims. that won't piss anybody off. what is the worst that can happen?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,071
    honest question for the people supporting trump and cruz's opinions on how they plan to stop isil.

    are you really that terrified of muslims that you would suspend their constitutionally guaranteed rights?

    if you are, then the terrorists have already won.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,388
    mrussel1 said:

    And going back historically, it's generally thought that the parties are split 40/40 with the rest independent, disinterested, unaffiliated, etc. That's why I say he has 35 of the 40%

    As of a couple years ago, independents or unaffiliated are 43% of the electorate. According to Pew.
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,411
    @LukeRussert: Significant ISIS inspired terrorist attack in Europe and the top two contenders on the #GOP side are fighting over their wives on Twitter.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
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    mrussel1 said:

    And going back historically, it's generally thought that the parties are split 40/40 with the rest independent, disinterested, unaffiliated, etc. That's why I say he has 35 of the 40%

    As of a couple years ago, independents or unaffiliated are 43% of the electorate. According to Pew.
    I've seen that number too but I think it includes people that lean heavy in one direction or are on the extremes of the party. I don't believe that in 2012 43% of the electorate were open season for Obama or Romney coming out of the conventions. The numbers were firm and it was about turnout. Here is an interesting analysis.

    http://republic3-0.com/myth-independent-voter-stefan-hankin/
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    The AP called Arizona for Trump.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^
    Never has there been a press so engaged as to report %1 poll results and call a win.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Never has there been a press so engaged as to report %1 poll results and call a win.

    That's not true. It means the exit polls are overwhelming. They could have called it two hours ago likely but after FL in 2000, they wait until closing.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    mrussel1 said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Never has there been a press so engaged as to report %1 poll results and call a win.

    That's not true. It means the exit polls are overwhelming. They could have called it two hours ago likely but after FL in 2000, they wait until closing.
    Good point
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Hillary with a big win too. Could pull 60%
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
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