2016 Democratic Presidential Candidates

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  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    edited February 2016

    Hillary is a liar who has put countless lives at risk and is not qualified to be President.
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  • usamamasan1
    usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    The intelligence community has deemed some of Hillary Clinton’s emails “too damaging" to national security to release under any circumstances, according to a U.S. government official close to the ongoing review. A second source, who was not authorized to speak on the record, backed up the finding. The determination was first reported by Fox News, hours before the State Department formally announced Friday that seven email chains, found in 22 documents, will be withheld “in full” because they, in fact, contain “Top Secret” information...the Obama administration confirmed to the Associated Press that the seven email chains would be withheld. The department has since confirmed those details publicly. The decision to withhold the documents in full, and not provide even a partial release with redactions, further undercuts claims by the State Department and the Clinton campaign that none of the intelligence in the emails was classified when it hit Clinton's personal server. Fox News is told the emails include intelligence from "special access programs," or SAP, which is considered beyond “Top Secret.”
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668


    Hillary is a liar who has put countless lives at risk and is not qualified to be President.

    She is more than qualified to be President. Her being a liar or putting countless lives at risk is neither here nor there... if history is any reflection, that might actually make her MORE qualified. :neutral:
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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    PJ_Soul said:


    Hillary is a liar who has put countless lives at risk and is not qualified to be President.

    She is more than qualified to be President. Her being a liar or putting countless lives at risk is neither here nor there... if history is any reflection, that might actually make her MORE qualified. :neutral:
    PJ,if you could ,would you vote for Hillary?
    My guess is yes. I don't think that's completely based on policy positions either.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Kat said:

    My congratulations to Hillary for winning the Dem Iowa Caucus. It wasn't a huge win by any means but it was the first time in history that a woman has won. Progress!!
    P.S. I like Bernie too but I'm all for Hillary. :)

    I would love for us to have a woman as president (and I guarantee it will happen) but one that would be more likely to leave a lasting positive legacy like Elizabeth warren or Jill Stein. My feeling is Hillary has too many marks against her that way already and we would be better off waiting for a lady to really knock it out of the park in terms of greatness.
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  • ^^^
    Hillary won't be POTUS because every public address will be overshadowed from at least one person from the media asking about her husbands indiscretion.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662

    ^^^
    Hillary won't be POTUS because every public address will be overshadowed from at least one person from the media asking about her husbands indiscretion.

    Don't count on it. The average America either secretly or openly lavishes attention on any kind of sex-related scandals. It's part of our sexually up tight, sexually repressed nature. This is why Europeans, for example are comfortable with their bodies and Americans objectify their bodies.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Jason P said:

    I read that Clinton got 6 delegates via a coin toss. She went 6 for 6.

    I personally prefer having an indian leg wrestling contest to resolve vote counts.

    Read today Bernie won 6 of 7 but didn't make that much of a difference.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    callen said:

    Jason P said:

    I read that Clinton got 6 delegates via a coin toss. She went 6 for 6.

    I personally prefer having an indian leg wrestling contest to resolve vote counts.

    Read today Bernie won 6 of 7 but didn't make that much of a difference.
    The general consensus is that Bernie did way better than anyone expected. The Bern will gather steam. Out with the old broken ways, in with the new!
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    the more I learn about Hillary, the more I don't like. My wife was talking about how great it would be to have a female president. I said it would be nice to have a female president that wasn't in the same back pockets as many of her male counterparts seem to be.

    don't vote for a woman for the sake of it being a woman. vote for a woman because she'll make a difference.
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,178

    the more I learn about Hillary, the more I don't like. My wife was talking about how great it would be to have a female president. I said it would be nice to have a female president that wasn't in the same back pockets as many of her male counterparts seem to be.

    don't vote for a woman for the sake of it being a woman. vote for a woman because she'll make a difference.

    I'm of the opinion that whoever is running against the GOP will be better for all of us regardless of who it is.
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  • dignin
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    the more I learn about Hillary, the more I don't like. My wife was talking about how great it would be to have a female president. I said it would be nice to have a female president that wasn't in the same back pockets as many of her male counterparts seem to be.

    don't vote for a woman for the sake of it being a woman. vote for a woman because she'll make a difference.

    I'm of the opinion that whoever is running against the GOP will be better for all of us regardless of who it is.
    That's a low bar.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598

    the more I learn about Hillary, the more I don't like. My wife was talking about how great it would be to have a female president. I said it would be nice to have a female president that wasn't in the same back pockets as many of her male counterparts seem to be.

    don't vote for a woman for the sake of it being a woman. vote for a woman because she'll make a difference.

    I'm of the opinion that whoever is running against the GOP will be better for all of us regardless of who it is.
    This is the entire strategy of the DNC and the Clinton Campaign summed up in one sentence. And while you are 100% right, voters everywhere have good reason to be disappointed. The Democrats have failed us this time around.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    edited February 2016
    rr165892 said:

    PJ_Soul said:


    Hillary is a liar who has put countless lives at risk and is not qualified to be President.

    She is more than qualified to be President. Her being a liar or putting countless lives at risk is neither here nor there... if history is any reflection, that might actually make her MORE qualified. :neutral:
    PJ,if you could ,would you vote for Hillary?
    My guess is yes. I don't think that's completely based on policy positions either.
    Your guess is yes? Why? Do you think I would vote for her just because she's a woman? That seems like a very unfounded assumption. Just because I'm a feminist it doesn't mean I'm an idiot. I believe in real equality (really rr, you don't seem to understand me very well ;) ). Hell no, I wouldn't vote for Hillary if I had another choice. I would 100% want Bernie Sanders to win the nomination. However, I would vote for her over any GOP candidate. Now because every single person running is a full-fledged loony toon or just fools at best. But generally, because there are some fundamental Republican policies that I am very much against.
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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    PJ_Soul said:

    rr165892 said:

    PJ_Soul said:


    Hillary is a liar who has put countless lives at risk and is not qualified to be President.

    She is more than qualified to be President. Her being a liar or putting countless lives at risk is neither here nor there... if history is any reflection, that might actually make her MORE qualified. :neutral:
    PJ,if you could ,would you vote for Hillary?
    My guess is yes. I don't think that's completely based on policy positions either.
    Your guess is yes? Why? Do you think I would vote for her just because she's a woman? That seems like a very unfounded assumption. Just because I'm a feminist it doesn't mean I'm an idiot. I believe in real equality (really rr, you don't seem to understand me very well ;) ). Hell no, I wouldn't vote for Hillary if I had another choice. I would 100% want Bernie Sanders to win the nomination. However, I would vote for her over any GOP candidate. Now because every single person running is a full-fledged loony toon or just fools at best. But generally, because there are some fundamental Republican policies that I am very much against.
    I'm busting your chops PJ.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,071
    sanders lost by a razor thin margin.

    even though he did not win the state, the fact is that he made it that close and that the national media is now talking about him. that in and of itself could be called a win.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662

    sanders lost by a razor thin margin.

    even though he did not win the state, the fact is that he made it that close and that the national media is now talking about him. that in and of itself could be called a win.

    For sure!
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    edited February 2016
    The "Sanders can't win!" argument has some merit because the terms "Socialist" and "Democratic Socialist" will scare the hell out of many voters. It will happen.

    The problem Democrats and left-leaning independents face is that the Democratic Socialist guy is the only alternative left to a career politician with a history of scandal and who is currently under investigation by the FBI. Not some bogus and partison Congressional committee, but the Federal Bureau of Investigation. President Barack Obama's justice system.

    Hard to argue that this current FBI is part of the "Vast Right-wing Conspiracy." That the Democratic Establishment want voters to ignore their hand chosen and longtime presumptive frontrunner being under federal investigation is a bridge too far.

    Bernie Sanders can't win. Hillary Clinton shouldn't win. And together they represent our only alternative to Trump, Cruz, Rubio, etc.

    Worst election cycle I have ever seen and we have miles to go before anyone sleeps.
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  • callen
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    JimmyV said:

    The "Sanders can't win!" argument has some merit because the terms "Socialist" and "Democratic Socialist" will scare the hell out of many voters. It will happen.

    The problem Democrats and left-leaning independents face is that the Democratic Socialist guy is the only alternative left to a career politician with a history of scandal and who is currently under investigation by the FBI. Not some bogus and partison Congressional committee, but the Federal Bureau of Investigation. President Barack Obama's justice system.

    Hard to argue that this current FBI is part of the "Vast Right-wing Conspiracy." That the Democratic Establishment want voters to ignore their hand chosen and longtime presumptive frontrunner being under federal investigation is a bridge too far.

    Bernie Sanders can't win. Hillary Clinton shouldn't win. And together they represent our only alternative to Trump, Cruz, Rubio, etc.

    Worst election cycle I have ever seen and we have miles to go before anyone sleeps.

    Have had these same thoughts.

    My biggest fear, Cruz and Bernie left after dust settles.

    Then Cruz winning. It's a very real possibility.

    Just hope if Hillary is indicted it happens soon. Maybe Bloomberg does enter. Yeah I know many don't like but sure as hell better than "President Cruz".

    I shudder as I write this.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,299
    callen said:

    JimmyV said:

    The "Sanders can't win!" argument has some merit because the terms "Socialist" and "Democratic Socialist" will scare the hell out of many voters. It will happen.

    The problem Democrats and left-leaning independents face is that the Democratic Socialist guy is the only alternative left to a career politician with a history of scandal and who is currently under investigation by the FBI. Not some bogus and partison Congressional committee, but the Federal Bureau of Investigation. President Barack Obama's justice system.

    Hard to argue that this current FBI is part of the "Vast Right-wing Conspiracy." That the Democratic Establishment want voters to ignore their hand chosen and longtime presumptive frontrunner being under federal investigation is a bridge too far.

    Bernie Sanders can't win. Hillary Clinton shouldn't win. And together they represent our only alternative to Trump, Cruz, Rubio, etc.

    Worst election cycle I have ever seen and we have miles to go before anyone sleeps.

    Have had these same thoughts.

    My biggest fear, Cruz and Bernie left after dust settles.

    Then Cruz winning. It's a very real possibility.

    Just hope if Hillary is indicted it happens soon. Maybe Bloomberg does enter. Yeah I know many don't like but sure as hell better than "President Cruz".

    I shudder as I write this.
    I think the GOP going to start backing Rubio as we speak ... or in this case, post. No one likes Cruz. But I do think Cruz is the smartest and most shrewd candidate. He was considered a long shot in the Texas senate race and won. I think he understands the game better then any other candidate.
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