2016 Democratic Presidential Candidates

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  • InHiding80InHiding80 Posts: 7,623
    muskydan said:

    I think Bernie has a chance to win. But not because he speaks for the middle class. Because people are pissed at the status quo.

    You can also say The same thing about The Don in his quest to make America Great again.
    Except Bernie doesn't hate captured vets.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    rr165892 said:

    Gambsy,when the lazy shit birds keep wanting more,more.And the govt gives it to them when does that stop?

    We put a stop to that after we get back the TRILLIONS that Richy Rich and his buddy have stored in offshore accounts.
    I understand being mad at the shitbirds, I don't understand why you care more about them crapping on the floor when there are folks crapping in gold toilets.
    It's numbers, who is costing the taxpayers more? The fact of the matter is that the .01% and the shitty corporations are costing you much more.
    Defense contractors are putting soldiers out of work by the thousands and bilking the government for services they aren't providing, stores like Wal-Mart are paying so little to so many, they are a government subsidized business, TRILLIONS in tax havens...the list goes on and on.
    Why do you support life's bullys and villify it's victims?
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Abusers of the system from all monetary backgrounds are who I can't stand.I hate cheats and thieves.I don't live like that and I don't want to subsidize those who play that way.I have my issues w big buisness,Espescially big Pharma and Big Coal.Any industry that can continue to fuck those who prop it up.
    Hell, I even got pissed when Justagirl (I think it was her)was bragging about stealing her neighbors wifi so she wouldn't have to pay.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    rr165892 said:

    Abusers of the system from all monetary backgrounds are who I can't stand.I hate cheats and thieves.I don't live like that and I don't want to subsidize those who play that way.I have my issues w big buisness,Espescially big Pharma and Big Coal.Any industry that can continue to fuck those who prop it up.
    Hell, I even got pissed when Justagirl (I think it was her)was bragging about stealing her neighbors wifi so she wouldn't have to pay.

    I agree, rr, I'm against stealing and cheating but the system is set up by the super wealthy to allow the super wealthy to get away from the greatest amount of theft of all while the poor, especially the minority poor, are far more often imprisoned for stealing a little. That doesn't mean I think stealing is OK, it just means I believe we need to look at the gross inequity of the system. And the same is true for subsidies- the greatest amount go to the wealthiest. Maintain you stance against theft and cheating but perhaps consider the gross inequity in who and what is allowed to get a pass.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    RR I've had a job non stop since I was 13. And also get frustrated at those that do t work and get money. But then think of the trillions of dollars we piss away on war and realize some waste on poor isn't our biggest problem. And some social programs do work. Same with healthcare.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,275
    Welfare fraud is nothing compared to Medicare fraud which is committed by wealthy doctors.

    I am willing to accept that people will commit fraud. That's part of life. The theory behind welfare and the benefits it provides to children is inarguable.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    Hillary will stop at nothing to get the nomination!

    Retreating Clinton Campaign Torches Iowa Town To Slow Advance Of Sanders Volunteers

    HUMBOLDT, IA—After making sure to douse every home, farm, and business located in the municipality with gasoline, retreating Clinton campaign staffers reportedly set the central Iowa town of Humboldt ablaze Friday to stem the advance of Bernie Sanders volunteers. “Once we received word the Sanders campaign had begun canvassing in nearby Fort Dodge, we only had a matter of hours to burn everything to the ground,” said communications director Jennifer Palmieri, who tossed a lit torch through the window of the town’s hardware store before rushing over to help a group of Hillary for America workers erect a roadblock made of dead livestock to prevent all entrance to and exit from the city. “With so little time left before voting day, we simply can’t allow them to establish a foothold in this part of the state. Besides, you can’t convince anyone to caucus for Bernie Sanders if the civilian population is gone and all that’s left is smoldering rubble.” At press time, Clinton campaign staffers were spotted rigging a nearby bridge with C-4 as they hastily retreated to Algona.

    http://www.theonion.com/article/retreating-clinton-campaign-torches-iowa-town-slow-52261
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    Bernie and Hillary neck and neck. This is big-time good news for Sanders!

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/02/us/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-democratic-iowa-caucus.html?_r=0
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    I read that Clinton got 6 delegates via a coin toss. She went 6 for 6.

    I personally prefer having an indian leg wrestling contest to resolve vote counts.
  • KatKat Posts: 4,871
    My congratulations to Hillary for winning the Dem Iowa Caucus. It wasn't a huge win by any means but it was the first time in history that a woman has won. Progress!!
    P.S. I like Bernie too but I'm all for Hillary. :)
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  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    edited February 2016

    Hillary is a liar who has put countless lives at risk and is not qualified to be President.
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  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    The intelligence community has deemed some of Hillary Clinton’s emails “too damaging" to national security to release under any circumstances, according to a U.S. government official close to the ongoing review. A second source, who was not authorized to speak on the record, backed up the finding. The determination was first reported by Fox News, hours before the State Department formally announced Friday that seven email chains, found in 22 documents, will be withheld “in full” because they, in fact, contain “Top Secret” information...the Obama administration confirmed to the Associated Press that the seven email chains would be withheld. The department has since confirmed those details publicly. The decision to withhold the documents in full, and not provide even a partial release with redactions, further undercuts claims by the State Department and the Clinton campaign that none of the intelligence in the emails was classified when it hit Clinton's personal server. Fox News is told the emails include intelligence from "special access programs," or SAP, which is considered beyond “Top Secret.”
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954


    Hillary is a liar who has put countless lives at risk and is not qualified to be President.

    She is more than qualified to be President. Her being a liar or putting countless lives at risk is neither here nor there... if history is any reflection, that might actually make her MORE qualified. :neutral:
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    PJ_Soul said:


    Hillary is a liar who has put countless lives at risk and is not qualified to be President.

    She is more than qualified to be President. Her being a liar or putting countless lives at risk is neither here nor there... if history is any reflection, that might actually make her MORE qualified. :neutral:
    PJ,if you could ,would you vote for Hillary?
    My guess is yes. I don't think that's completely based on policy positions either.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    Kat said:

    My congratulations to Hillary for winning the Dem Iowa Caucus. It wasn't a huge win by any means but it was the first time in history that a woman has won. Progress!!
    P.S. I like Bernie too but I'm all for Hillary. :)

    I would love for us to have a woman as president (and I guarantee it will happen) but one that would be more likely to leave a lasting positive legacy like Elizabeth warren or Jill Stein. My feeling is Hillary has too many marks against her that way already and we would be better off waiting for a lady to really knock it out of the park in terms of greatness.
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  • ^^^
    Hillary won't be POTUS because every public address will be overshadowed from at least one person from the media asking about her husbands indiscretion.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038

    ^^^
    Hillary won't be POTUS because every public address will be overshadowed from at least one person from the media asking about her husbands indiscretion.

    Don't count on it. The average America either secretly or openly lavishes attention on any kind of sex-related scandals. It's part of our sexually up tight, sexually repressed nature. This is why Europeans, for example are comfortable with their bodies and Americans objectify their bodies.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    Jason P said:

    I read that Clinton got 6 delegates via a coin toss. She went 6 for 6.

    I personally prefer having an indian leg wrestling contest to resolve vote counts.

    Read today Bernie won 6 of 7 but didn't make that much of a difference.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    callen said:

    Jason P said:

    I read that Clinton got 6 delegates via a coin toss. She went 6 for 6.

    I personally prefer having an indian leg wrestling contest to resolve vote counts.

    Read today Bernie won 6 of 7 but didn't make that much of a difference.
    The general consensus is that Bernie did way better than anyone expected. The Bern will gather steam. Out with the old broken ways, in with the new!
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  • the more I learn about Hillary, the more I don't like. My wife was talking about how great it would be to have a female president. I said it would be nice to have a female president that wasn't in the same back pockets as many of her male counterparts seem to be.

    don't vote for a woman for the sake of it being a woman. vote for a woman because she'll make a difference.
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  • the more I learn about Hillary, the more I don't like. My wife was talking about how great it would be to have a female president. I said it would be nice to have a female president that wasn't in the same back pockets as many of her male counterparts seem to be.

    don't vote for a woman for the sake of it being a woman. vote for a woman because she'll make a difference.

    I'm of the opinion that whoever is running against the GOP will be better for all of us regardless of who it is.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336

    the more I learn about Hillary, the more I don't like. My wife was talking about how great it would be to have a female president. I said it would be nice to have a female president that wasn't in the same back pockets as many of her male counterparts seem to be.

    don't vote for a woman for the sake of it being a woman. vote for a woman because she'll make a difference.

    I'm of the opinion that whoever is running against the GOP will be better for all of us regardless of who it is.
    That's a low bar.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,171

    the more I learn about Hillary, the more I don't like. My wife was talking about how great it would be to have a female president. I said it would be nice to have a female president that wasn't in the same back pockets as many of her male counterparts seem to be.

    don't vote for a woman for the sake of it being a woman. vote for a woman because she'll make a difference.

    I'm of the opinion that whoever is running against the GOP will be better for all of us regardless of who it is.
    This is the entire strategy of the DNC and the Clinton Campaign summed up in one sentence. And while you are 100% right, voters everywhere have good reason to be disappointed. The Democrats have failed us this time around.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,954
    edited February 2016
    rr165892 said:

    PJ_Soul said:


    Hillary is a liar who has put countless lives at risk and is not qualified to be President.

    She is more than qualified to be President. Her being a liar or putting countless lives at risk is neither here nor there... if history is any reflection, that might actually make her MORE qualified. :neutral:
    PJ,if you could ,would you vote for Hillary?
    My guess is yes. I don't think that's completely based on policy positions either.
    Your guess is yes? Why? Do you think I would vote for her just because she's a woman? That seems like a very unfounded assumption. Just because I'm a feminist it doesn't mean I'm an idiot. I believe in real equality (really rr, you don't seem to understand me very well ;) ). Hell no, I wouldn't vote for Hillary if I had another choice. I would 100% want Bernie Sanders to win the nomination. However, I would vote for her over any GOP candidate. Now because every single person running is a full-fledged loony toon or just fools at best. But generally, because there are some fundamental Republican policies that I am very much against.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • rr165892rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    PJ_Soul said:

    rr165892 said:

    PJ_Soul said:


    Hillary is a liar who has put countless lives at risk and is not qualified to be President.

    She is more than qualified to be President. Her being a liar or putting countless lives at risk is neither here nor there... if history is any reflection, that might actually make her MORE qualified. :neutral:
    PJ,if you could ,would you vote for Hillary?
    My guess is yes. I don't think that's completely based on policy positions either.
    Your guess is yes? Why? Do you think I would vote for her just because she's a woman? That seems like a very unfounded assumption. Just because I'm a feminist it doesn't mean I'm an idiot. I believe in real equality (really rr, you don't seem to understand me very well ;) ). Hell no, I wouldn't vote for Hillary if I had another choice. I would 100% want Bernie Sanders to win the nomination. However, I would vote for her over any GOP candidate. Now because every single person running is a full-fledged loony toon or just fools at best. But generally, because there are some fundamental Republican policies that I am very much against.
    I'm busting your chops PJ.
  • sanders lost by a razor thin margin.

    even though he did not win the state, the fact is that he made it that close and that the national media is now talking about him. that in and of itself could be called a win.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038

    sanders lost by a razor thin margin.

    even though he did not win the state, the fact is that he made it that close and that the national media is now talking about him. that in and of itself could be called a win.

    For sure!
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,171
    edited February 2016
    The "Sanders can't win!" argument has some merit because the terms "Socialist" and "Democratic Socialist" will scare the hell out of many voters. It will happen.

    The problem Democrats and left-leaning independents face is that the Democratic Socialist guy is the only alternative left to a career politician with a history of scandal and who is currently under investigation by the FBI. Not some bogus and partison Congressional committee, but the Federal Bureau of Investigation. President Barack Obama's justice system.

    Hard to argue that this current FBI is part of the "Vast Right-wing Conspiracy." That the Democratic Establishment want voters to ignore their hand chosen and longtime presumptive frontrunner being under federal investigation is a bridge too far.

    Bernie Sanders can't win. Hillary Clinton shouldn't win. And together they represent our only alternative to Trump, Cruz, Rubio, etc.

    Worst election cycle I have ever seen and we have miles to go before anyone sleeps.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    JimmyV said:

    The "Sanders can't win!" argument has some merit because the terms "Socialist" and "Democratic Socialist" will scare the hell out of many voters. It will happen.

    The problem Democrats and left-leaning independents face is that the Democratic Socialist guy is the only alternative left to a career politician with a history of scandal and who is currently under investigation by the FBI. Not some bogus and partison Congressional committee, but the Federal Bureau of Investigation. President Barack Obama's justice system.

    Hard to argue that this current FBI is part of the "Vast Right-wing Conspiracy." That the Democratic Establishment want voters to ignore their hand chosen and longtime presumptive frontrunner being under federal investigation is a bridge too far.

    Bernie Sanders can't win. Hillary Clinton shouldn't win. And together they represent our only alternative to Trump, Cruz, Rubio, etc.

    Worst election cycle I have ever seen and we have miles to go before anyone sleeps.

    Have had these same thoughts.

    My biggest fear, Cruz and Bernie left after dust settles.

    Then Cruz winning. It's a very real possibility.

    Just hope if Hillary is indicted it happens soon. Maybe Bloomberg does enter. Yeah I know many don't like but sure as hell better than "President Cruz".

    I shudder as I write this.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    callen said:

    JimmyV said:

    The "Sanders can't win!" argument has some merit because the terms "Socialist" and "Democratic Socialist" will scare the hell out of many voters. It will happen.

    The problem Democrats and left-leaning independents face is that the Democratic Socialist guy is the only alternative left to a career politician with a history of scandal and who is currently under investigation by the FBI. Not some bogus and partison Congressional committee, but the Federal Bureau of Investigation. President Barack Obama's justice system.

    Hard to argue that this current FBI is part of the "Vast Right-wing Conspiracy." That the Democratic Establishment want voters to ignore their hand chosen and longtime presumptive frontrunner being under federal investigation is a bridge too far.

    Bernie Sanders can't win. Hillary Clinton shouldn't win. And together they represent our only alternative to Trump, Cruz, Rubio, etc.

    Worst election cycle I have ever seen and we have miles to go before anyone sleeps.

    Have had these same thoughts.

    My biggest fear, Cruz and Bernie left after dust settles.

    Then Cruz winning. It's a very real possibility.

    Just hope if Hillary is indicted it happens soon. Maybe Bloomberg does enter. Yeah I know many don't like but sure as hell better than "President Cruz".

    I shudder as I write this.
    I think the GOP going to start backing Rubio as we speak ... or in this case, post. No one likes Cruz. But I do think Cruz is the smartest and most shrewd candidate. He was considered a long shot in the Texas senate race and won. I think he understands the game better then any other candidate.
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