2016 Democratic Presidential Candidates

rr165892

Those crazy Kooky dems'.Did you really think the machine would let Hillary loose to Bernie?

PJ_Soul

rr165892 said:

Those crazy Kooky dems'.Did you really think the machine would let Hillary loose to Bernie?

I have no idea why you are making it an issue specific to one party. I'm not.
And no, I didn't think the machine would let Hillary lose to Bernie. That has impact on what I just said in my post though.

JWPearl

notice how trump mocks the pope i dont support either but i see the early signs foretold...
whether or not trump ever succeeds he could be the start of new fads with the presidentials
in near future
politics is a dead horse...

rr165892

PJ,Because both parties choose their candidates differently.The left uses a more back room handshake deal thing.The right does it differently.Its whacky

Gern Blansten

I wouldn't put too much emphasis on two small states. If the entire country ended up that way then we have an issue.

PJ_Soul

rr165892 said:

PJ,Because both parties choose their candidates differently.The left uses a more back room handshake deal thing.The right does it differently.Its whacky

Interesting, and indeed wacky. I assumed that the process is fixed across parties, silly me, lol, that would be too logical I looked it up:

http://www.bustle.com/articles/142215-how-many-superdelegates-are-there-in-2016-the-definition-is-actually-pretty-murky

"The answer depends on the party. Democrats will have approximately 712 superdelegates at their national convention. That’s out of a total of 4,051, meaning that superdelegates make up about 15 percent of the total delegates at play in the Democratic Party’s nominating process.

Republicans have fewer superdelegates, both as an absolute number and as a share of the total delegates available. Additionally, the superdelegate system functions slightly differently in the GOP than in the Democratic Party, which I’ll get to in a moment. Broadly speaking, though, the Republican Party will have 168 superdelegates out of 2,472, or about seven percent of the total delegates at play.

There are, however, big differences in how the parties treat superdelegates. This is in part because “superdelegate” is informal slang, not official terminology used by either party. The term is generally used to refer to unpledged or unbound delegates — folks who can vote for whichever candidate they want at the party’s national convention, regardless of how the primary or caucus in their home state turns out.

For Democrats, superdelegate status is given to all current Democratic governors, senators, and congressional representatives, as well as certain big-city mayors and state lawmakers. In addition, all former Democratic presidents, vice presidents, U.S. Senate leaders, and speakers of the House are superdelegates, as is President Obama. Lastly, members of the Democratic National Committee are superdelegates as well. All superdelegates can vote for whomever they want at the convention — that’s what makes them super!

But for the GOP, it’s a bit different. The Republican Party’s unbound delegates are the 168 members of the Republican National Committee — but in 2016, they won’t be allowed to vote for whomever they want at the national convention. They normally wold be given this luxury, but the RNC ruled this year that these “unbound” delegates wouldn’t, in fact, be unbound at all. They’ll have to support whomever their state supports, just like regular ol’ delegates.

This raises the question, of course, of what exactly makes Republican superdelegates so “super.” And, at least as far as 2016 is concerned, the answer is ... nothing, really. Like so much of politics, it’s just for show."

What the fuck????
Wow, hopefully the next president does something about all this bullshit in the primaries.
And now I will ask again why there aren't massive protests in the streets against this shit. If I didn't know any better I would assume it's criminal.

JimmyV

I'm not sure any President can fix these kind of shenanigans in the primaries. These are essentially party elections, with members of the party deciding who will be their nominee. In November we as a country decide who of those nominees will be the next president. Until then though the parties themselves are free to make up their own standards and practices within rules they've pretty much written for themselves. As an independent here in Massachusetts, if I want to vote in either party's primary I need to declare myself as a member of that party on the way in the door and then unenroll on the way out. None of these candidates are inspiring enough for me to do that so I will probably sit it out.

usamamasan1

Endorsements rollling in

PJ_Soul

JimmyV said:

I'm not sure any President can fix these kind of shenanigans in the primaries. These are essentially party elections, with members of the party deciding who will be their nominee. In November we as a country decide who of those nominees will be the next president. Until then though the parties themselves are free to make up their own standards and practices within rules they've pretty much written for themselves. As an independent here in Massachusetts, if I want to vote in either party's primary I need to declare myself as a member of that party on the way in the door and then unenroll on the way out. None of these candidates are inspiring enough for me to do that so I will probably sit it out.

True, members of the party, but every citizen can be a member of the party and vote if they want to, and all this crap makes them pretty irrelevant.

rgambs

usamamasan1 said:

Endorsements rollling in

Hahaha still better than the endorsements you post in Bozo the Clown's thread.

JC29856

The superdelegate system was enacted in the 1980s to give the Democratic Establishment more influence in determining the party’s presidential nominee, and as the DNC opens the floodgates to donations from special interests, the future of the party is auctioned off to the highest bidder.

http://observer.com/2016/02/how-the-dnc-helps-clinton-buy-off-superdelegates/

JimmyV

No matter what the original intentions were, in 2016 the Super Delegate system has become the perfect illustration of a party establishment trying to dictate to its members who their nominee will be. It is an infuriating situation to watch unfold.

Free

JimmyV said:

https://twitter.com/AP/status/700379500312444928

I like the honesty.

JimmyV said:

No matter what the original intentions were, in 2016 the Super Delegate system has become the perfect illustration of a party establishment trying to dictate to its members who their nominee will be. It is an infuriating situation to watch unfold.

Almost as infuriating as watching the govt do nothing when an entire city is poisoned by the water they have to live on.

But yeah, talk about a rigged system that doesn't even seem to be embarrassed by their publicly well known corruption.

JC29856

Former President Bill Clinton on Monday met in secret (no press allowed) with roughly 100 leaders of South Florida’s Jewish community, and, as the Times of Israel reports, “He vowed that, if elected, Hillary Clinton would make it one of her top priorities to strengthen the U.S.-Israel alliance.” He also “stressed the close bond that he and his wife have with the State of Israel.”https://theintercept.com/2016/02/18/hillary-clinton-with-little-notice-vows-to-embrace-an-extremist-agenda-on-israel/

rgambs

JC29856 said:

Former President Bill Clinton on Monday met in secret (no press allowed) with roughly 100 leaders of South Florida’s Jewish community, and, as the Times of Israel reports, “He vowed that, if elected, Hillary Clinton would make it one of her top priorities to strengthen the U.S.-Israel alliance.” He also “stressed the close bond that he and his wife have with the State of Israel.”https://theintercept.com/2016/02/18/hillary-clinton-with-little-notice-vows-to-embrace-an-extremist-agenda-on-israel/

Isn't it amazing how when rich men meet they all somehow walk away wealthier...

JimmyV

Bill Clinton running around the world making promises in smoke-filled rooms would become a fact of life in any Hillary Clinton administration.

callen

JimmyV said:

Bill Clinton running around the world making promises in smoke-filled rooms would become a fact of life in any Hillary Clinton administration.

No different from Republicans and we keep social progress from going backwards.

JC29856

JimmyV said:

Bill Clinton running around the world making promises in smoke-filled rooms would become a fact of life in any Hillary Clinton administration.

Cigar smoke filled rooms!

JimmyV

callen said:

JimmyV said:

Bill Clinton running around the world making promises in smoke-filled rooms would become a fact of life in any Hillary Clinton administration.

No different from Republicans and we keep social progress from going backwards.

The difference is I expect more from the Democrats.

rgambs

JimmyV said:

callen said:

JimmyV said:

Bill Clinton running around the world making promises in smoke-filled rooms would become a fact of life in any Hillary Clinton administration.

No different from Republicans and we keep social progress from going backwards.

The difference is I expect more from the Democrats.

It's sad that this is probably what we will have to settle for.