2016 Democratic Presidential Candidates

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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,171
    I didn't have high hopes for Bernie in South Carolina but holy shit. Nobody had Hillary getting 75% of the vote.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/sc/south_carolina_democratic_presidential_primary-4167.html
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  • ^^^
    Bernie is the Jeb.
    Tie goes to the runner.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,171

    ^^^
    Bernie is the Jeb.
    Tie goes to the runner.

    Not accurate. Bernie (in this way only) is the Trump, the outsider with strong grassroots support, alternative means of campaign funding, and not wanted by the party Establishment. Hillary is the Jeb with all the traditional funding and party machinery behind her.
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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    edited February 2016
    http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/35401-focus-scott-galindez-hillary-clintons-firewall-does-not-go-west-or-north

    Hillary Clinton's Firewall Does Not Go West or North
    espite the corporate media’s desire for the so-called “Clinton firewall” to stop the political revolution, they will be disappointed to find out that the Northeast, Midwest, and West are not protected from the bern.

    The media keeps telling us that after winning South Carolina, Hillary Clinton will dominate Super Tuesday and that will make her the nominee. Not so fast. First of all, Bernie Sanders can do well on Super Tuesday even if Hillary Clinton dominates the southern states. The last time I checked, Vermont, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Colorado, and Oklahoma were not southern states. That is 5 out of the 11 Super Tuesday states.

    So what is Bernie’s path to victory after that? Bernie is leading in Massachusetts, so I would think that Maine, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and that big state just to the south of New England where Bernie was born and raised are all winnable for Bernie. Oh, and I don’t think people in those states follow the trends of the South – they pride themselves on being more progressive.

    Now let’s move to the mid-Atlantic: Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Delaware – and based on some polling let’s move West Virginia and North Carolina out of the South. Bernie has a big lead in the polls in West Virginia, and I believe he can win in North Carolina. Let’s remember Bernie has the white blue-collar vote that gave Clinton Pennsylvania, Ohio, and West Virginia in ’08. If he pulls off those three states to add to New York, then Bernie is in great shape, not to mention that Nate Silver thinks Sanders will dominate the West. Washington, Oregon, Wyoming, Montana, the Dakotas, and New Mexico are states where he could beat Clinton.

    Let’s even say there is a split in the Midwest and the breadbasket. What if the race went to California dead even? Bernie can win the biggest prize and have a strong argument to the superdelegates that he, not Hillary Clinton, is the best candidate to beat Donald Trump in November.

    Let’s look at the day California holds its primary, June 7th. It might be the most important day of this whole process.

    The Dakotas, Montana, and New Mexico are states Sanders should do well in. The fight will be for those 601 delegates that California and New Jersey have. I do not see Hillary Clinton beating Bernie Sanders in the Bay Area. San Francisco, Santa Cruz, and Oakland are ready for the revolution. There is a substantial enough progressive community in Southern California to keep Clinton from dominating there like Sanders will in the Bay Area. They don’t call it the Left Coast for nothing – Bernie can win California. Add that to New York, New Jersey, Wisconsin, Massachusetts, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and may other states and you can see a clear path to victory.

    Even without damaging Hillary’s firewall in the South, Bernie Sanders can win the Democratic Party nomination. Before you pounce, I am not saying he will win all of those states, but he can win all of those states, so he has a path to victory even if he loses the South.

    The first time the Blue Dogs tried to nominate a candidate with a Super Tuesday in the South was in 1988. The Clintons were very involved in the Democratic Leadership Council, whose goal was to nominate a southerner to take back the White House. A progressive candidate from Chicago ruined their day, Jesse Jackson won more delegates on Super Tuesday than anyone else, leaving the door open for Michael Dukakis. The DLC would have to wait four years for Bill Clinton to achieve their goal.

    This time I think the southern strategy is flawed. The Sanders campaign has not conceded the South but they are forging a path to the nomination that doesn’t need the South. Pssst ... guess what, it’s working. The latest Reuters tracking poll has Bernie up 6 points nationally, and has had Bernie in the lead nationally most of the month.

    More troubling for Clinton in the Reuters poll than being down 6 points is she is down to 35% support in the poll. Not a number that can win the nomination in a two-candidate field.

    Polling guru Nate Silver, in an article, “Bernie Sanders’s Path to the Nomination,” used models that were based on Clinton being up 12 nationally or tied with Sanders. I wonder what his formula would show with Sanders up 6 nationally?

    As much as the media and Democratic Party establishment want you to believe it will all be over next Tuesday, it’s only wishful thinking. Just like in 2008, not only will Hillary Clinton’s opponent still be standing after Super Tuesday, he will be in a stronger position than she will. The wind is still at Bernie’s back.<</b>/blockquote>
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    ^^^ Great article and a very important point that highlighted section. We aren't giving up or giving in!
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    brianlux said:

    ^^^ Great article and a very important point that highlighted section. We aren't giving up or giving in!

    Eventually thou you will get in line.
    I would love to see a Stein Sanders run at the president, wouldn't that really piss off Dems?
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    JC29856 said:

    brianlux said:

    ^^^ Great article and a very important point that highlighted section. We aren't giving up or giving in!

    Eventually thou you will get in line.
    I would love to see a Stein Sanders run at the president, wouldn't that really piss off Dems?
    Ohhhhh you don't know me! :lol:
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    brianlux said:

    JC29856 said:

    brianlux said:

    ^^^ Great article and a very important point that highlighted section. We aren't giving up or giving in!

    Eventually thou you will get in line.
    I would love to see a Stein Sanders run at the president, wouldn't that really piss off Dems?
    Ohhhhh you don't know me! :lol:
    I meant you as in Bernie backers not you individually. You said we.

    Will you support Stein Sanders after Hillary increases her delegate lead by 300 late Tuesday?
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    JC29856 said:

    brianlux said:

    JC29856 said:

    brianlux said:

    ^^^ Great article and a very important point that highlighted section. We aren't giving up or giving in!

    Eventually thou you will get in line.
    I would love to see a Stein Sanders run at the president, wouldn't that really piss off Dems?
    Ohhhhh you don't know me! :lol:
    I meant you as in Bernie backers not you individually. You said we.

    Will you support Stein Sanders after Hillary increases her delegate lead by 300 late Tuesday?
    Didn't read the article did you?
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    I did read it but I also have read and come to know other things that convince me that the democratic presidential nominee was decided 8 years ago.
    I think what Bernie is and has done is awesome but the best he can do is shed light on the process the RNC/DNC machinations and inspire those to get more involved in "politics".
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    JC29856 said:

    brianlux said:

    JC29856 said:

    brianlux said:

    ^^^ Great article and a very important point that highlighted section. We aren't giving up or giving in!

    Eventually thou you will get in line.
    I would love to see a Stein Sanders run at the president, wouldn't that really piss off Dems?
    Ohhhhh you don't know me! :lol:
    I meant you as in Bernie backers not you individually. You said we.

    Will you support Stein Sanders after Hillary increases her delegate lead by 300 late Tuesday?
    I read it as you meaning me. I don't speak for others. Of course I will continue to support Bernie Sanders. I always do what I believe is right, not what others do or think.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    edited February 2016
    JC29856 said:

    I did read it but I also have read and come to know other things that convince me that the democratic presidential nominee was decided 8 years ago.
    I think what Bernie is and has done is awesome but the best he can do is shed light on the process the RNC/DNC machinations and inspire those to get more involved in "politics".

    What is decided by the system that far in advance, can always be disrupted by actual votes. Do you think that the system decided Hillary to win eight years ago? How did that work out for her?
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited February 2016
    Free said:

    JC29856 said:

    I did read it but I also have read and come to know other things that convince me that the democratic presidential nominee was decided 8 years ago.
    I think what Bernie is and has done is awesome but the best he can do is shed light on the process the RNC/DNC machinations and inspire those to get more involved in "politics".

    What is decided by the system that far in advance, can always be disrupted by actual votes. Do you think that the system decided Hillary to win eight years ago? How did that work out for her?
    Actual votes don't matter super delegates in the primary matters and the electoral college for presidency matters.
    8 years ago, the ruling elites candidates were Clinton, Obama and Rmoney and things worked out beautifully for them. 2 leaders that proposed not using the dollar as trade currency were killed and they were the benefactor of the biggest bailout taxpayer handout in world history.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    JC29856 said:

    Free said:

    JC29856 said:

    I did read it but I also have read and come to know other things that convince me that the democratic presidential nominee was decided 8 years ago.
    I think what Bernie is and has done is awesome but the best he can do is shed light on the process the RNC/DNC machinations and inspire those to get more involved in "politics".

    What is decided by the system that far in advance, can always be disrupted by actual votes. Do you think that the system decided Hillary to win eight years ago? How did that work out for her?
    Actual votes don't matter super delegates in the primary matters and the electoral college for presidency matters.
    8 years ago, the ruling elites candidates were Clinton, Obama and Rmoney and things worked out beautifully for them. 2 leaders that proposed not using the dollar as trade currency were killed and they were the benefactor of the biggest bailout taxpayer handout in world history.
    So what do we do? Give up and say there's nothing we can do? Or get out, vote, participate in "government of the people, by the people, for the people" and work for change? What makes the most sense of these to do?
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    Popular vote does matter. Except in few cases.

    Presidents Winning Without Popular Vote

    http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/presidents-winning-without-popular-vote/
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445

    I wonder about something. Not that familiar with the American system (yet), so please forgive me if this is a stupid question. So I am reading that people are registered as Republican or Democrat voters. Let's say there is a person who is a teacher and has a tradition of voting Republican. What I wonder is how people like that feel now that there are just these clowns available for election. Do people like that really in their right mind go and vote for someone like Trump or Cruz, even if their programs go completely against the mind set that someone like a teacher might have? How fixed is this whole "registering Democrat or Republican"? Can you change that? And how long does it take?

    I also recently read that some people think Bill Clinton might suffer from Parkinson's disease, even though he is denying it. Would that affect a possible election of Hillary?

    Yes Leezestar they most certainly vote against their own self interest.

    I blame the internet. Low information voters feel like they are informed when they aren't.
    Maher hit the nail on the head about that last week. Lies have become the new truth.
    JimmyV said:

    ^^^
    Bernie is the Jeb.
    Tie goes to the runner.

    Not accurate. Bernie (in this way only) is the Trump, the outsider with strong grassroots support, alternative means of campaign funding, and not wanted by the party Establishment. Hillary is the Jeb with all the traditional funding and party machinery behind her.
    No he is also like trump in that he has crazy ideas with no way of actually accomplishing them. And he is touching on and playing on and building hate.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,171

    I wonder about something. Not that familiar with the American system (yet), so please forgive me if this is a stupid question. So I am reading that people are registered as Republican or Democrat voters. Let's say there is a person who is a teacher and has a tradition of voting Republican. What I wonder is how people like that feel now that there are just these clowns available for election. Do people like that really in their right mind go and vote for someone like Trump or Cruz, even if their programs go completely against the mind set that someone like a teacher might have? How fixed is this whole "registering Democrat or Republican"? Can you change that? And how long does it take?

    I also recently read that some people think Bill Clinton might suffer from Parkinson's disease, even though he is denying it. Would that affect a possible election of Hillary?

    Yes Leezestar they most certainly vote against their own self interest.

    I blame the internet. Low information voters feel like they are informed when they aren't.
    Maher hit the nail on the head about that last week. Lies have become the new truth.
    JimmyV said:

    ^^^
    Bernie is the Jeb.
    Tie goes to the runner.

    Not accurate. Bernie (in this way only) is the Trump, the outsider with strong grassroots support, alternative means of campaign funding, and not wanted by the party Establishment. Hillary is the Jeb with all the traditional funding and party machinery behind her.
    No he is also like trump in that he has crazy ideas with no way of actually accomplishing them. And he is touching on and playing on and building hate.
    Bernie is building hate? How so?
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  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562

    I wonder about something. Not that familiar with the American system (yet), so please forgive me if this is a stupid question. So I am reading that people are registered as Republican or Democrat voters. Let's say there is a person who is a teacher and has a tradition of voting Republican. What I wonder is how people like that feel now that there are just these clowns available for election. Do people like that really in their right mind go and vote for someone like Trump or Cruz, even if their programs go completely against the mind set that someone like a teacher might have? How fixed is this whole "registering Democrat or Republican"? Can you change that? And how long does it take?

    I also recently read that some people think Bill Clinton might suffer from Parkinson's disease, even though he is denying it. Would that affect a possible election of Hillary?

    Yes Leezestar they most certainly vote against their own self interest.

    I blame the internet. Low information voters feel like they are informed when they aren't.
    Maher hit the nail on the head about that last week. Lies have become the new truth.
    JimmyV said:

    ^^^
    Bernie is the Jeb.
    Tie goes to the runner.

    Not accurate. Bernie (in this way only) is the Trump, the outsider with strong grassroots support, alternative means of campaign funding, and not wanted by the party Establishment. Hillary is the Jeb with all the traditional funding and party machinery behind her.
    No he is also like trump in that he has crazy ideas with no way of actually accomplishing them. And he is touching on and playing on and building hate.
    Tell us how Bernie is building hate.

    And every one of his ideas is laid out with ways of implementing them on his website.
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Crazy ideas that most other industrialized nations has implemented.
  • FreeFree Posts: 3,562
    edited March 2016
    Well isn't this something to say about the DNC?

    http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/debbie-wasserman-schultz-paylenders-cfpb_us_56d4ce38e4b03260bf77e8fc

    DNC Chair Joins GOP Attack On Elizabeth Warren's Agency
    Payday lenders get a new ally
    WASHINGTON -- Payday lenders have been gunning for the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau since the day President Barack Obama tapped Elizabeth Warren to set up the new agency. They've had plenty of help from congressional Republicans -- longtime recipients of campaign contributions from the payday loan industry. As the CFPB has moved closer to adopting new rules to shield families from predatory lending, the GOP has assailed the agency from every conceivable angle -- going after its budget, attempting to tie its hands with new layers of red tape, fomenting conspiracy theories about rogue regulators illegally shutting down businesses and launching direct attacks on payday loan rules themselves.

    To date, the GOP blitz has resulted in a few close shaves for the young agency, but no actual defeats. But the industry has cultivated a powerful new ally in recent weeks: Democratic National Committee Chair Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.).

    Wasserman Schultz is co-sponsoring a new bill that would gut the CFPB's forthcoming payday loan regulations. She's also attempting to gin up Democratic support for the legislation on Capitol Hill, according to a memo obtained by The Huffington Post.

    LISTEN to HuffPost's analysis of the bill in the latest episode of the "So That Happened" politics podcast below. The discussion begins at the 53:35 mark:
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,171
    edited March 2016
    "You're all too young to know how crazy it is that my wife is under investigation by the FBI and the Democratic frontrunner...but lemme tell ya...it's pretty crazy."

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  • JimmyV said:

    I wonder about something. Not that familiar with the American system (yet), so please forgive me if this is a stupid question. So I am reading that people are registered as Republican or Democrat voters. Let's say there is a person who is a teacher and has a tradition of voting Republican. What I wonder is how people like that feel now that there are just these clowns available for election. Do people like that really in their right mind go and vote for someone like Trump or Cruz, even if their programs go completely against the mind set that someone like a teacher might have? How fixed is this whole "registering Democrat or Republican"? Can you change that? And how long does it take?

    I also recently read that some people think Bill Clinton might suffer from Parkinson's disease, even though he is denying it. Would that affect a possible election of Hillary?

    Yes Leezestar they most certainly vote against their own self interest.

    I blame the internet. Low information voters feel like they are informed when they aren't.
    Maher hit the nail on the head about that last week. Lies have become the new truth.
    JimmyV said:

    ^^^
    Bernie is the Jeb.
    Tie goes to the runner.

    Not accurate. Bernie (in this way only) is the Trump, the outsider with strong grassroots support, alternative means of campaign funding, and not wanted by the party Establishment. Hillary is the Jeb with all the traditional funding and party machinery behind her.
    No he is also like trump in that he has crazy ideas with no way of actually accomplishing them. And he is touching on and playing on and building hate.
    Bernie is building hate? How so?
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038

    JimmyV said:

    I wonder about something. Not that familiar with the American system (yet), so please forgive me if this is a stupid question. So I am reading that people are registered as Republican or Democrat voters. Let's say there is a person who is a teacher and has a tradition of voting Republican. What I wonder is how people like that feel now that there are just these clowns available for election. Do people like that really in their right mind go and vote for someone like Trump or Cruz, even if their programs go completely against the mind set that someone like a teacher might have? How fixed is this whole "registering Democrat or Republican"? Can you change that? And how long does it take?

    I also recently read that some people think Bill Clinton might suffer from Parkinson's disease, even though he is denying it. Would that affect a possible election of Hillary?

    Yes Leezestar they most certainly vote against their own self interest.

    I blame the internet. Low information voters feel like they are informed when they aren't.
    Maher hit the nail on the head about that last week. Lies have become the new truth.
    JimmyV said:

    ^^^
    Bernie is the Jeb.
    Tie goes to the runner.

    Not accurate. Bernie (in this way only) is the Trump, the outsider with strong grassroots support, alternative means of campaign funding, and not wanted by the party Establishment. Hillary is the Jeb with all the traditional funding and party machinery behind her.
    No he is also like trump in that he has crazy ideas with no way of actually accomplishing them. And he is touching on and playing on and building hate.
    Bernie is building hate? How so?
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  • muskydanmuskydan Posts: 1,013

    JimmyV said:

    I wonder about something. Not that familiar with the American system (yet), so please forgive me if this is a stupid question. So I am reading that people are registered as Republican or Democrat voters. Let's say there is a person who is a teacher and has a tradition of voting Republican. What I wonder is how people like that feel now that there are just these clowns available for election. Do people like that really in their right mind go and vote for someone like Trump or Cruz, even if their programs go completely against the mind set that someone like a teacher might have? How fixed is this whole "registering Democrat or Republican"? Can you change that? And how long does it take?

    I also recently read that some people think Bill Clinton might suffer from Parkinson's disease, even though he is denying it. Would that affect a possible election of Hillary?

    Yes Leezestar they most certainly vote against their own self interest.

    I blame the internet. Low information voters feel like they are informed when they aren't.
    Maher hit the nail on the head about that last week. Lies have become the new truth.
    JimmyV said:

    ^^^
    Bernie is the Jeb.
    Tie goes to the runner.

    Not accurate. Bernie (in this way only) is the Trump, the outsider with strong grassroots support, alternative means of campaign funding, and not wanted by the party Establishment. Hillary is the Jeb with all the traditional funding and party machinery behind her.
    No he is also like trump in that he has crazy ideas with no way of actually accomplishing them. And he is touching on and playing on and building hate.
    Bernie is building hate? How so?
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    I love it…Mr. SULU busting out THE SHOCKER……one in the Pink, one in the Stink…lol
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445
    JimmyV said:

    I wonder about something. Not that familiar with the American system (yet), so please forgive me if this is a stupid question. So I am reading that people are registered as Republican or Democrat voters. Let's say there is a person who is a teacher and has a tradition of voting Republican. What I wonder is how people like that feel now that there are just these clowns available for election. Do people like that really in their right mind go and vote for someone like Trump or Cruz, even if their programs go completely against the mind set that someone like a teacher might have? How fixed is this whole "registering Democrat or Republican"? Can you change that? And how long does it take?

    I also recently read that some people think Bill Clinton might suffer from Parkinson's disease, even though he is denying it. Would that affect a possible election of Hillary?

    Yes Leezestar they most certainly vote against their own self interest.

    I blame the internet. Low information voters feel like they are informed when they aren't.
    Maher hit the nail on the head about that last week. Lies have become the new truth.
    JimmyV said:

    ^^^
    Bernie is the Jeb.
    Tie goes to the runner.

    Not accurate. Bernie (in this way only) is the Trump, the outsider with strong grassroots support, alternative means of campaign funding, and not wanted by the party Establishment. Hillary is the Jeb with all the traditional funding and party machinery behind her.
    No he is also like trump in that he has crazy ideas with no way of actually accomplishing them. And he is touching on and playing on and building hate.
    Bernie is building hate? How so?
    He's touch on the hate some have for "big business" "Wall Street" and generally those that have "more than they should".

    You don't think he's touched on and helped build that hate? Or you don't think it's hate?
    hippiemom = goodness
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,171

    JimmyV said:

    I wonder about something. Not that familiar with the American system (yet), so please forgive me if this is a stupid question. So I am reading that people are registered as Republican or Democrat voters. Let's say there is a person who is a teacher and has a tradition of voting Republican. What I wonder is how people like that feel now that there are just these clowns available for election. Do people like that really in their right mind go and vote for someone like Trump or Cruz, even if their programs go completely against the mind set that someone like a teacher might have? How fixed is this whole "registering Democrat or Republican"? Can you change that? And how long does it take?

    I also recently read that some people think Bill Clinton might suffer from Parkinson's disease, even though he is denying it. Would that affect a possible election of Hillary?

    Yes Leezestar they most certainly vote against their own self interest.

    I blame the internet. Low information voters feel like they are informed when they aren't.
    Maher hit the nail on the head about that last week. Lies have become the new truth.
    JimmyV said:

    ^^^
    Bernie is the Jeb.
    Tie goes to the runner.

    Not accurate. Bernie (in this way only) is the Trump, the outsider with strong grassroots support, alternative means of campaign funding, and not wanted by the party Establishment. Hillary is the Jeb with all the traditional funding and party machinery behind her.
    No he is also like trump in that he has crazy ideas with no way of actually accomplishing them. And he is touching on and playing on and building hate.
    Bernie is building hate? How so?
    He's touch on the hate some have for "big business" "Wall Street" and generally those that have "more than they should".

    You don't think he's touched on and helped build that hate? Or you don't think it's hate?
    Fair point I guess. I'm not sure I see it as hate so much as contempt, whereas Trump is definitely tapping into hate. IMO. Maybe that's just semantics though.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,038
    You can hate greed, inequity, hubris, extreme imbalance, racism, etc. and not hate an individual.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445
    brianlux said:

    You can hate greed, inequity, hubris, extreme imbalance, racism, etc. and not hate an individual.

    You could but they don't. Just like yu can hate terrorism, etc and not hate all people of a faith, but trump supporters don't ;)
    hippiemom = goodness
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Has the super Tuesday delegates been finalized? Who got what?
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,275
    JC29856 said:

    Has the super Tuesday delegates been finalized? Who got what?

    www.cnn.com
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