2016 Democratic Presidential Candidates

brianlux

As much as we don't really need another thread on the subject, I wanted to say something about tonight's debate (1/17/16) without posting it on one of the other candidate threads.

Tonight's debate left me feeling very frustrated.

I'm still going with Bernie Sanders for the major reason that he wants to take big business/Wall St. out of politics. Right on! But two things bothered me very much about this debate. Firstly, why was O'Malley given so little time? I don't know that much about the man but I really liked what he said in the little bit of time he was allotted. (He even joked about "30 seconds?" haha!) I would vote for him over Clinton for sure but obviously the media will see to it he does not get that chance, so that leaves Sanders. Does that bother anyone else here?

The second thing that bothered me about the whole debate is that two of the most pressing, urgent issues that face humanity and (dare I say it?) life on this planet as a whole were NOT ADDRESSED AT ALL- the rapid decrease of biodiversity on this planet and the rapid increase of human population. We are like hikers on a mountain who are worried about a dangerous storm approaching (climate change) but not paying any attention two the two boulders (decreasing biodiversity and human over-population) that are about to land on our heads. I can only conclude that we are truly an insane and ecologically stupid species.

ldent42

It's the first I've ever seen/heard of O'Malley and I was already going "Bernie/O'Malley ticket!"

I really don't like Hillary.

brianlux

ldent42 said:

It's the first I've ever seen/heard of O'Malley and I was already going "Bernie/O'Malley ticket!"

I really don't like Hillary.

Say, that's a great idea!

Bentleyspop

brianlux said:

As much as we don't really need another thread on the subject, I wanted to say something about tonight's debate (1/17/16) without posting it on one of the other candidate threads.

Tonight's debate left me feeling very frustrated.

I'm still going with Bernie Sanders for the major reason that he wants to take big business/Wall St. out of politics. Right on! But two things bothered me very much about this debate. Firstly, why was O'Malley given so little time? I don't know that much about the man but I really liked what he said in the little bit of time he was allotted. (He even joked about "30 seconds?" haha!) I would vote for him over Clinton for sure but obviously the media will see to it he does not get that chance, so that leaves Sanders. Does that bother anyone else here?

The second thing that bothered me about the whole debate is that two of the most pressing, urgent issues that face humanity and (dare I say it?) life on this planet as a whole were NOT ADDRESSED AT ALL- the rapid decrease of biodiversity on this planet and the rapid increase of human population. We are like hikers on a mountain who are worried about a dangerous storm approaching (climate change) but not paying any attention two the two boulders (decreasing biodiversity and human over-population) that are about to land on our heads. I can only conclude that we are truly an insane and ecologically stupid species.

Weren't these issues already addressed in Soylent Green?

https://youtu.be/8Sp-VFBbjpE

Wma31394

Although I like many of bernies ideas and he is probably the best route to legalization of marajuana..I just don't think he has what it takes to sit in the big house. Clueless on foreign policy and getting rid of the big banks??? Wow! I agree punish the crooks but who's going to help joe dirt buy his dream house?? Where's the money coming from? Banking is a business that's the reality. I do not claim to be a republican or democrat..I actually always joke that I am rastafarian..but after listening to all these debates on both sides..Hilary is by far the smartest..most experienced..and best candidate to run this country..

brianlux

Wma31394 said:

Although I like many of bernies ideas and he is probably the best route to legalization of marajuana..I just don't think he has what it takes to sit in the big house. Clueless on foreign policy and getting rid of the big banks??? Wow! I agree punish the crooks but who's going to help joe dirt buy his dream house?? Where's the money coming from? Banking is a business that's the reality. I do not claim to be a republican or democrat..I actually always joke that I am rastafarian..but after listening to all these debates on both sides..Hilary is by far the smartest..most experienced..and best candidate to run this country..

She's no dummy but do we really want another president bought and paid for by big business to do their bidding? That's what this election will come down to and big money is big power so I don't have huge expectations but electing Sanders would be a huge change that way. Besides, presidents alone shouldn't run the country.

Leezestarr313

I liked what O'Malley said about green energy and yes, would also have liked to hear more about these issues. I still like Bernie the best for the same reasons as OP stated, and somehow, O'Malley seems "too slick", for lack of a better term. It's gonna be interesting.

Wma31394

brianlux said:

Wma31394 said:

Although I like many of bernies ideas and he is probably the best route to legalization of marajuana..I just don't think he has what it takes to sit in the big house. Clueless on foreign policy and getting rid of the big banks??? Wow! I agree punish the crooks but who's going to help joe dirt buy his dream house?? Where's the money coming from? Banking is a business that's the reality. I do not claim to be a republican or democrat..I actually always joke that I am rastafarian..but after listening to all these debates on both sides..Hilary is by far the smartest..most experienced..and best candidate to run this country..

She's no dummy but do we really want another president bought and paid for by big business to do their bidding? That's what this election will come down to and big money is big power so I don't have huge expectations but electing Sanders would be a huge change that way. Besides, presidents alone shouldn't run the country.

We don't but right now there are so many issues like Isis..Putin..economy etc that Clinton is so much more qualified to deal with..Obama couldn't get through to congress on what I feel where basic no brainier issues..do you think Bernie and his "revolutions" can?? Highly unlikely..and let's face it under slick willy the economy was great.

callen

Wma31394 said:

brianlux said:

Wma31394 said:

Although I like many of bernies ideas and he is probably the best route to legalization of marajuana..I just don't think he has what it takes to sit in the big house. Clueless on foreign policy and getting rid of the big banks??? Wow! I agree punish the crooks but who's going to help joe dirt buy his dream house?? Where's the money coming from? Banking is a business that's the reality. I do not claim to be a republican or democrat..I actually always joke that I am rastafarian..but after listening to all these debates on both sides..Hilary is by far the smartest..most experienced..and best candidate to run this country..

She's no dummy but do we really want another president bought and paid for by big business to do their bidding? That's what this election will come down to and big money is big power so I don't have huge expectations but electing Sanders would be a huge change that way. Besides, presidents alone shouldn't run the country.

We don't but right now there are so many issues like Isis..Putin..economy etc that Clinton is so much more qualified to deal with..Obama couldn't get through to congress on what I feel where basic no brainier issues..do you think Bernie and his "revolutions" can?? Highly unlikely..and let's face it under slick willy the economy was great.

Good points and also concerned with progress under Bernie. Think if he became president the far rights heads will explode.

Leezestarr313

So if people are fed up with Obama, and Hillary talking about how she wants to continue on his path, and Bernie being too progressive for some people, does that leave really good chances for O'Malley for the Democrat voters?

rr165892

callen said:

Wma31394 said:

brianlux said:

Wma31394 said:

Although I like many of bernies ideas and he is probably the best route to legalization of marajuana..I just don't think he has what it takes to sit in the big house. Clueless on foreign policy and getting rid of the big banks??? Wow! I agree punish the crooks but who's going to help joe dirt buy his dream house?? Where's the money coming from? Banking is a business that's the reality. I do not claim to be a republican or democrat..I actually always joke that I am rastafarian..but after listening to all these debates on both sides..Hilary is by far the smartest..most experienced..and best candidate to run this country..

She's no dummy but do we really want another president bought and paid for by big business to do their bidding? That's what this election will come down to and big money is big power so I don't have huge expectations but electing Sanders would be a huge change that way. Besides, presidents alone shouldn't run the country.

We don't but right now there are so many issues like Isis..Putin..economy etc that Clinton is so much more qualified to deal with..Obama couldn't get through to congress on what I feel where basic no brainier issues..do you think Bernie and his "revolutions" can?? Highly unlikely..and let's face it under slick willy the economy was great.

Good points and also concerned with progress under Bernie. Think if he became president the far rights heads will explode.

It will Never happen Cal.We are not that stupid as a country.cmon dude you really want your taxes to go thru the roof?

Gern Blansten

rr165892 said:

callen said:

Wma31394 said:

brianlux said:

Wma31394 said:

Although I like many of bernies ideas and he is probably the best route to legalization of marajuana..I just don't think he has what it takes to sit in the big house. Clueless on foreign policy and getting rid of the big banks??? Wow! I agree punish the crooks but who's going to help joe dirt buy his dream house?? Where's the money coming from? Banking is a business that's the reality. I do not claim to be a republican or democrat..I actually always joke that I am rastafarian..but after listening to all these debates on both sides..Hilary is by far the smartest..most experienced..and best candidate to run this country..

She's no dummy but do we really want another president bought and paid for by big business to do their bidding? That's what this election will come down to and big money is big power so I don't have huge expectations but electing Sanders would be a huge change that way. Besides, presidents alone shouldn't run the country.

We don't but right now there are so many issues like Isis..Putin..economy etc that Clinton is so much more qualified to deal with..Obama couldn't get through to congress on what I feel where basic no brainier issues..do you think Bernie and his "revolutions" can?? Highly unlikely..and let's face it under slick willy the economy was great.

Good points and also concerned with progress under Bernie. Think if he became president the far rights heads will explode.

It will Never happen Cal.We are not that stupid as a country.cmon dude you really want your taxes to go thru the roof?

rr165892 said:

callen said:

Wma31394 said:

brianlux said:

Wma31394 said:

Although I like many of bernies ideas and he is probably the best route to legalization of marajuana..I just don't think he has what it takes to sit in the big house. Clueless on foreign policy and getting rid of the big banks??? Wow! I agree punish the crooks but who's going to help joe dirt buy his dream house?? Where's the money coming from? Banking is a business that's the reality. I do not claim to be a republican or democrat..I actually always joke that I am rastafarian..but after listening to all these debates on both sides..Hilary is by far the smartest..most experienced..and best candidate to run this country..

She's no dummy but do we really want another president bought and paid for by big business to do their bidding? That's what this election will come down to and big money is big power so I don't have huge expectations but electing Sanders would be a huge change that way. Besides, presidents alone shouldn't run the country.

We don't but right now there are so many issues like Isis..Putin..economy etc that Clinton is so much more qualified to deal with..Obama couldn't get through to congress on what I feel where basic no brainier issues..do you think Bernie and his "revolutions" can?? Highly unlikely..and let's face it under slick willy the economy was great.

Good points and also concerned with progress under Bernie. Think if he became president the far rights heads will explode.

It will Never happen Cal.We are not that stupid as a country.cmon dude you really want your taxes to go thru the roof?

That's ridiculous. The repubs are proposing more military spending than Bernie's programs combined.

brianlux

rr165892 said:

callen said:

Wma31394 said:

brianlux said:

Wma31394 said:

Although I like many of bernies ideas and he is probably the best route to legalization of marajuana..I just don't think he has what it takes to sit in the big house. Clueless on foreign policy and getting rid of the big banks??? Wow! I agree punish the crooks but who's going to help joe dirt buy his dream house?? Where's the money coming from? Banking is a business that's the reality. I do not claim to be a republican or democrat..I actually always joke that I am rastafarian..but after listening to all these debates on both sides..Hilary is by far the smartest..most experienced..and best candidate to run this country..

She's no dummy but do we really want another president bought and paid for by big business to do their bidding? That's what this election will come down to and big money is big power so I don't have huge expectations but electing Sanders would be a huge change that way. Besides, presidents alone shouldn't run the country.

We don't but right now there are so many issues like Isis..Putin..economy etc that Clinton is so much more qualified to deal with..Obama couldn't get through to congress on what I feel where basic no brainier issues..do you think Bernie and his "revolutions" can?? Highly unlikely..and let's face it under slick willy the economy was great.

Good points and also concerned with progress under Bernie. Think if he became president the far rights heads will explode.

It will Never happen Cal.We are not that stupid as a country.cmon dude you really want your taxes to go thru the roof?

That won't happen, rr. Did you watch the debate and listen to how Sanders addressed that very question?

brianlux

Leezestarr313 said:

So if people are fed up with Obama, and Hillary talking about how she wants to continue on his path, and Bernie being too progressive for some people, does that leave really good chances for O'Malley for the Democrat voters?

The media has already seen to it that O'Malley doesn't have a chance. They virtually cut him out of the discussions last night. No wonder so many of us believe the whole process is rigged. It's very frustrating!

callen

rr165892 said:

callen said:

Wma31394 said:

brianlux said:

Wma31394 said:

Although I like many of bernies ideas and he is probably the best route to legalization of marajuana..I just don't think he has what it takes to sit in the big house. Clueless on foreign policy and getting rid of the big banks??? Wow! I agree punish the crooks but who's going to help joe dirt buy his dream house?? Where's the money coming from? Banking is a business that's the reality. I do not claim to be a republican or democrat..I actually always joke that I am rastafarian..but after listening to all these debates on both sides..Hilary is by far the smartest..most experienced..and best candidate to run this country..

She's no dummy but do we really want another president bought and paid for by big business to do their bidding? That's what this election will come down to and big money is big power so I don't have huge expectations but electing Sanders would be a huge change that way. Besides, presidents alone shouldn't run the country.

We don't but right now there are so many issues like Isis..Putin..economy etc that Clinton is so much more qualified to deal with..Obama couldn't get through to congress on what I feel where basic no brainier issues..do you think Bernie and his "revolutions" can?? Highly unlikely..and let's face it under slick willy the economy was great.

Good points and also concerned with progress under Bernie. Think if he became president the far rights heads will explode.

It will Never happen Cal.We are not that stupid as a country.cmon dude you really want your taxes to go thru the roof?

Not sure how my comment elicited your reply. Wasn't endorsing g Bernie. Have my reservations on him as well.

Now take him over most of repug choices. Think of Cruz and Trump and get chills down my spine.

HughFreakingDillon

brianlux said:

Wma31394 said:

Although I like many of bernies ideas and he is probably the best route to legalization of marajuana..I just don't think he has what it takes to sit in the big house. Clueless on foreign policy and getting rid of the big banks??? Wow! I agree punish the crooks but who's going to help joe dirt buy his dream house?? Where's the money coming from? Banking is a business that's the reality. I do not claim to be a republican or democrat..I actually always joke that I am rastafarian..but after listening to all these debates on both sides..Hilary is by far the smartest..most experienced..and best candidate to run this country..

She's no dummy but do we really want another president bought and paid for by big business to do their bidding? That's what this election will come down to and big money is big power so I don't have huge expectations but electing Sanders would be a huge change that way. Besides, presidents alone shouldn't run the country.

american politics=big business. that's simply how it works in the US. You cannot get an overly progressive and/or anti-big business person who will succeed in the white house. too many high powered people depend on it.

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Wma31394 said:

Although I like many of bernies ideas and he is probably the best route to legalization of marajuana..I just don't think he has what it takes to sit in the big house. Clueless on foreign policy and getting rid of the big banks??? Wow! I agree punish the crooks but who's going to help joe dirt buy his dream house?? Where's the money coming from? Banking is a business that's the reality. I do not claim to be a republican or democrat..I actually always joke that I am rastafarian..but after listening to all these debates on both sides..Hilary is by far the smartest..most experienced..and best candidate to run this country..

She's no dummy but do we really want another president bought and paid for by big business to do their bidding? That's what this election will come down to and big money is big power so I don't have huge expectations but electing Sanders would be a huge change that way. Besides, presidents alone shouldn't run the country.

american politics=big business. that's simply how it works in the US. You cannot get an overly progressive and/or anti-big business person who will succeed in the white house. too many high powered people depend on it.

That about sums up the situation quite well, Hugh. I'll still vote for Sanders if I have the choice but I have no high expectations any more.

Leezestarr313

Just saw this


http://www.idknottrumptho.com/
http://www.dailydot.com/lol/idk-not-trump-though-parody/?fb=dd&type=cpc

rr165892

Ok,folks.How do you think the old man plans on paying for all his magical programs?You really don't think there will be more taxes and regulatory mandated fees assed to buisness owners and anyone making more than lowest wage earners?

I could just envision the foaming at the mouth for more govt entitlements.Be careful what you all wish for.

rr165892

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

Wma31394 said:

Although I like many of bernies ideas and he is probably the best route to legalization of marajuana..I just don't think he has what it takes to sit in the big house. Clueless on foreign policy and getting rid of the big banks??? Wow! I agree punish the crooks but who's going to help joe dirt buy his dream house?? Where's the money coming from? Banking is a business that's the reality. I do not claim to be a republican or democrat..I actually always joke that I am rastafarian..but after listening to all these debates on both sides..Hilary is by far the smartest..most experienced..and best candidate to run this country..

She's no dummy but do we really want another president bought and paid for by big business to do their bidding? That's what this election will come down to and big money is big power so I don't have huge expectations but electing Sanders would be a huge change that way. Besides, presidents alone shouldn't run the country.

american politics=big business. that's simply how it works in the US. You cannot get an overly progressive and/or anti-big business person who will succeed in the white house. too many high powered people depend on it.

Who said you Canucks don't know what's going on.you are Right on the money Paul.

Gern Blansten

Pay attention. Sander's has proposed how to pay for it.

rr165892

Brian in all fairness,I was having a hard time watching that debate last night.I could say the same for the Juvenile Rep debate last week.

This election cycle is sooooooo fucking weak for decent candidates.
Maybe Bloomburg will run,that may be something.

brianlux

Gern Blansten said:

Pay attention. Sander's has proposed how to pay for it.

Yes!

rr165892 said:

Brian in all fairness,I was having a hard time watching that debate last night.I could say the same for the Juvenile Rep debate last week.

This election cycle is sooooooo fucking weak for decent candidates.
Maybe Bloomburg will run,that may be something.

When I get a chance (or maybe someone else here has the time) I'll try to isolate the clip from the debate where he explains how Sanders' concept works. It made a lot of sense to me.

Gern Blansten

http://qz.com/596811/this-is-bernie-sanderss-universal-healthcare-plan-for-every-american/

It makes complete sense to just use the current Medicare system.

People forget that there would be massive savings from eliminating the insurance company profits, advertising, etc. that is already built into our healthcare costs.

rr165892

Gern Blansten said:

http://qz.com/596811/this-is-bernie-sanderss-universal-healthcare-plan-for-every-american/

It makes complete sense to just use the current Medicare system.

People forget that there would be massive savings from eliminating the insurance company profits, advertising, etc. that is already built into our healthcare costs.

Gern Blansten said:

http://qz.com/596811/this-is-bernie-sanderss-universal-healthcare-plan-for-every-american/

It makes complete sense to just use the current Medicare system.

People forget that there would be massive savings from eliminating the insurance company profits, advertising, etc. that is already built into our healthcare costs.

Oh my.You think that looks good!!!!

I told you taxes would go thru the roof.How exciting.I get to pay more for mediocre state run health care.Hows it working out for you folks in Canada or England?

Great idea,let's add more taxes on businesses and buisness owners,Capitol gains and add the death tax to it also.Its getting better.Maybe the Bern can get that 15$ min wage at same time.
You guys really think that shit will happen.NEVER!!!

As a Buisness owner I can tell you,I wouldn't hire more people.Not only that but others in my position will clear out even more employees so we don't have to pay all the "mandatory" tax increases.Also this will add to the already long line of folks abusing and sucking on the govt teet.

callen

rr165892 said:

Ok,folks.How do you think the old man plans on paying for all his magical programs?You really don't think there will be more taxes and regulatory mandated fees assed to buisness owners and anyone making more than lowest wage earners?

I could just envision the foaming at the mouth for more govt entitlements.Be careful what you all wish for.

Question for you, would you be in favor of decoupling health care from employers? So you would have nothing to do with funding via direct costs to your business? And really asking. Not leading. Wondering if your costs would go down if we did have a true single payer system. So added taxes would be more spread to everyone versus the small business see owner footing big portion of the bill like your doing now. Thoughts.

PS my blood pressure also goes up when I hear politicians offering things that need to be paid for. Still though take that over a Ayatollah Cruz

rr165892

I'd be more open to that then what he is asking for.I already pay 15 employees health care in full.Great coverage.Costs me a shit load.But I can tell you it's less then if all other areas of my income both buisness and personal get stepped all over.
And Cal I feel I can comment on wages because not one single employee of mine makes less then 15$ an hour

rr165892

I would like to see big pharma chipping in.If that area dosent get reformed none of it matters.

brianlux

rr165892 said:

I would like to see big pharma chipping in.If that area dosent get reformed none of it matters.

They will never do that unless forced to.

brianlux

The latest polls from Democrats.com:

Here are the results of our straw polls - far and away the largest Democratic straw polls for 2016:



#1 10/3-9 #2 10/14-19 #3 11/6- 30 #4 12/29-
Total votes 155,111 91,082 138,278
Hillary Clinton 21% 32% 32%
Bernie Sanders 50% 49% 46%
Martin O'Malley 0.4% 1.3% 2.0%
Clinton or Sanders or O'Malley 20% 14% 17%

Gern Blansten

rr165892 said:

Gern Blansten said:

http://qz.com/596811/this-is-bernie-sanderss-universal-healthcare-plan-for-every-american/

It makes complete sense to just use the current Medicare system.

People forget that there would be massive savings from eliminating the insurance company profits, advertising, etc. that is already built into our healthcare costs.

Gern Blansten said:

http://qz.com/596811/this-is-bernie-sanderss-universal-healthcare-plan-for-every-american/

It makes complete sense to just use the current Medicare system.

People forget that there would be massive savings from eliminating the insurance company profits, advertising, etc. that is already built into our healthcare costs.

Oh my.You think that looks good!!!!

I told you taxes would go thru the roof.How exciting.I get to pay more for mediocre state run health care.Hows it working out for you folks in Canada or England?

Great idea,let's add more taxes on businesses and buisness owners,Capitol gains and add the death tax to it also.Its getting better.Maybe the Bern can get that 15$ min wage at same time.
You guys really think that shit will happen.NEVER!!!

As a Buisness owner I can tell you,I wouldn't hire more people.Not only that but others in my position will clear out even more employees so we don't have to pay all the "mandatory" tax increases.Also this will add to the already long line of folks abusing and sucking on the govt teet.

BS....taxes are on profits. If you make money you pay tax. If an employee isn't making you money you get rid of them regardless of what the tax rate is.

I'm a business owner as well....I'm also an advisor to about 100 other businesses. You clearly don't know what you are talking about.