Discussion: The Lottery has turned Tickets Into "Trade Bait"

eddiec said:

subpoprockcity said:

MayDay10 said:

So it's perfect and no improvements are possible and shouldn't be brought up, discussed, or otherwise considered.

indeed, "please don't say a word, anyone who disagrees with me and my unyielding defense of the fan club policy".

That's not it at all. You are implying there is a rampant abuse of the system which I personally find logistically impossible.

This whole thread is about abuses of the system.

subpoprockcity said:

eddiec said:

subpoprockcity said:

MayDay10 said:

So it's perfect and no improvements are possible and shouldn't be brought up, discussed, or otherwise considered.

indeed, "please don't say a word, anyone who disagrees with me and my unyielding defense of the fan club policy".

That's not it at all. You are implying there is a rampant abuse of the system which I personally find logistically impossible.

This whole thread is about abuses of the system.

Not it's not. Trading tix with other members isn't an abuse of the system.

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PJ_Soul said:

subpoprockcity said:

eddiec said:

subpoprockcity said:

MayDay10 said:

So it's perfect and no improvements are possible and shouldn't be brought up, discussed, or otherwise considered.

indeed, "please don't say a word, anyone who disagrees with me and my unyielding defense of the fan club policy".

That's not it at all. You are implying there is a rampant abuse of the system which I personally find logistically impossible.

This whole thread is about abuses of the system.

Not it's not. Trading tix with other members isn't an abuse of the system.

The first post, from the OP, is about how the ticket trading process has been abused. The first post. You may disagree about whether it is or not, but it is the first post.

RS151862 said:

DPrival78 said:

weight the lottery somehow based on seniority. ranges of numbers get a certain number of "balls" per entry. for example: 0-200xxx get 5, 201xxx-400xxx get 3, 400xxx+ get 1

Then I assume their membership fees would be scaled down appropriately since they arent receiving the same benefits as other members.

why? it would be no different from back when ticket distribution was based strictly on seniority. in fact it would be more equitable than that, since a person with a high number would still have some chance of getting the best tickets - something that wasn't the case before.

and the argument is that this is not ok, and when you add in the ability to buy multiple shows, compounds the problem. you can disagree with it, fine, but that's the issue at hand.

springsteenfan said:

People have been setting up multiple accounts long before the lottery. I remember speaking to a lady in line at Saratoga Springs in 2000, back when you could get one pair for one show, who was bragging about signing her daughter for an account just for the extra two tickets.

That is also wrong. Especially considering the 1-show cap.

The issue now is that there is a huge incentive to new account(s) as they can specifically target GA. There would be much less incentive to jump in with brand new 10c #s with a good chance of getting reserved vs GA if selected. There would be some incentive, but it is actually difficult to get rid of 10c tickets when you reveal they are reserved and >500xxx.


And yes, its been going on. I have paid attention to this because the 'loophole' caught my eye from the beginning. Just reading the "winners" thread, every other person says "I got XXXX and my brother/friend/wife, etc" got XXXX" or some variation. This was not occurring a much before, much less when the lottery began, less but very noticeable in 2013, now it seems to be everywhere... along with 'pairs for trade'. Hell, I have a friend who signed up his wife for this and he landed Philly I tickets with his good # and his wife (with the account controlled by my fanatic friend) landed Philly II GA.

PJ_Soul said:

somebodyelsessky2020 said:

They can stop it by making you enter the arena as soon as you pick up your tickets. If you are not ready to go in then you have to come when you are ready to enter. Simple fix to this problem.

Great system (NIN uses it and it is smooth as silk), and yeah, I don't understand why 10C continues to leave that hours-long window open for people to scalp their tix. It may be specifically because it also prevents people from trading tix. I feel like the 10C has no issue at all with ticket trading. It's part of the social fabric among members, and, I think, a positive thing. But scalping should trump allowing ticket trades, so yeah, I'm all for 10C bringing in the NIN system when it comes to picking up our tix.

This would work well. Thanks for including it.

PJ_Soul said:

subpoprockcity said:

PJ_Soul said:

subpoprockcity said:

PJ_Soul said:

subpoprockcity said:

stickman said:

So if you sign your 8 year old kid up, how is he/she gonna pick up the tickets ??

they go down to the venue with you, then head home with someone else. which I've actually seen happen.

There is an age limit. I think it's 13 or something like that. No 8 year old is picking up tix and then going home.

so you have someone 13 or older do the same thing. point doesn't change.

Learned my lesson though, next tour, gotta buy 7 memberships for myself and others, and tell everyone how fair this is supposed to be. right.

You can also have some someone who's 40 years old do the same thing. I don't see your point. once a kid is a teenager they need their own access to concerts. If they have a membership so they can give tix to someone else so what? Adults can do that too, and do. There is absolutely nothing you can do about it, and has absolutely nothing to do with how long they have been members.
10C does keep an eye out for people doing what you suggest btw, but there is only so much they can control. If someone has 7 friends with different addresses who are all willing to go to the show or go and pick up their tix and give them to you, then oh well. They ARE paying the membership fees as well. It's still a free country and there is no way around that so why bitch about it?

So there is a bonafide way to cheat the system, but it's a fair system?
Just call it what it is, not random, not a lottery, and that you can improve your chances, instead of clinging to the idea that it's fair.

There is a way to cheat ALL systems. Seriously, show me a system that is completely fool proof. Not just with concert tickets. Any system in the world. Fair always means as fair as reasonably possible. Come on, you are a grown up, you know that.

Right, but while I will recognize that you've included some options to improve this, I'm not sure where the rabid shutting down of anyone else who is offering a critique of it is coming from, or why it's appropriate. It can be done better, it can be done differently, and they can and should work towards limiting the potential for cheating, particularly in light of how many ways this is possible that have been brought up in this conversation. I think it's fair to talk about that without the insults, the patronizing and so forth. Thanks.

PJ_Soul said:

somebodyelsessky2020 said:

They can stop it by making you enter the arena as soon as you pick up your tickets. If you are not ready to go in then you have to come when you are ready to enter. Simple fix to this problem.

Great system (NIN uses it and it is smooth as silk), and yeah, I don't understand why 10C continues to leave that hours-long window open for people to scalp their tix. It may be specifically because it also prevents people from trading tix. I feel like the 10C has no issue at all with ticket trading. It's part of the social fabric among members, and, I think, a positive thing. But scalping should trump allowing ticket trades, so yeah, I'm all for 10C bringing in the NIN system when it comes to picking up our tix.

10c would have to drop their 'pairs only' rule for this to work.

Two possible ideas....

1. Allow single ticket sales.
2. Remove GA and go back to seating. Then all seats are "by seniority".