Discussion: The Lottery has turned Tickets Into "Trade Bait"

MayDay10 said:

I have been yelling about this "loophole" since this system began. More people seem to be exploiting it and also noticing it.

Everywhere you look now, you see: "I got XXXX, my wife/brother/buddy/dog/parakeet got XXXX!" And/Or "Got extra pair for XXXX, looking for XXXX"

It is a pretty large hole in the system and I think it would be mended a great deal by A: one pool for each show and GA is drawn after the fact and we find out when we pick up tickets. and B: Ticketless entry. You put in for tickets, you better intend on using them. Spouses, etc with numbers in the 6xxxxx range will have a good chance to use those tickets and cant just jump straight to going for GA tickets, while the longstanding member goes for all the Reserved.
The 6XXXXX member still has as good of a chance for GA as anybody.

stickman said:

So if you sign your 8 year old kid up, how is he/she gonna pick up the tickets ??

jdopj said:

subpoprockcity said:

Kanye East said:

Stephen Flow said:

Kanye East said:

The fact that you even mention deleting duplicate households is absurd.

That and it's also really easy to put a different address. Put your parents address down on 1 account if you have to, etc.

You'd still have to drive you mom, dad, brother, sister, grandmother to the venue and they'd have to pick them up. If people are gonna go through that trouble, so be it.

and i've seen it with my own eyes happen at shows.

It's much easier than this.
Two couples are going to go to the Toronto show. Hang out together. Jim and Joe have memberships. Their numbers are great. Always used their tickets. New system has created a different environment. Jim signs up Judy his date. She goes for GA. Joe signs up Jill. She goes for GA.
Double the chances. Double the demand.

jdopj said:

subpoprockcity said:

Kanye East said:

Stephen Flow said:

Kanye East said:

The fact that you even mention deleting duplicate households is absurd.

That and it's also really easy to put a different address. Put your parents address down on 1 account if you have to, etc.

You'd still have to drive you mom, dad, brother, sister, grandmother to the venue and they'd have to pick them up. If people are gonna go through that trouble, so be it.

and i've seen it with my own eyes happen at shows.

It's much easier than this.
Two couples are going to go to the Toronto show. Hang out together. Jim and Joe have memberships. Their numbers are great. Always used their tickets. New system has created a different environment. Jim signs up Judy his date. She goes for GA. Joe signs up Jill. She goes for GA.
Double the chances. Double the demand.

jdopj said:

subpoprockcity said:

Kanye East said:

Stephen Flow said:

Kanye East said:

The fact that you even mention deleting duplicate households is absurd.

That and it's also really easy to put a different address. Put your parents address down on 1 account if you have to, etc.

You'd still have to drive you mom, dad, brother, sister, grandmother to the venue and they'd have to pick them up. If people are gonna go through that trouble, so be it.

and i've seen it with my own eyes happen at shows.

It's much easier than this.
Two couples are going to go to the Toronto show. Hang out together. Jim and Joe have memberships. Their numbers are great. Always used their tickets. New system has created a different environment. Jim signs up Judy his date. She goes for GA. Joe signs up Jill. She goes for GA.
Double the chances. Double the demand.

subpoprockcity said:

PJ_Soul said:

subpoprockcity said:

stickman said:

So if you sign your 8 year old kid up, how is he/she gonna pick up the tickets ??

they go down to the venue with you, then head home with someone else. which I've actually seen happen.

There is an age limit. I think it's 13 or something like that. No 8 year old is picking up tix and then going home.

so you have someone 13 or older do the same thing. point doesn't change.

Learned my lesson though, next tour, gotta buy 7 memberships for myself and others, and tell everyone how fair this is supposed to be. right.

PJ_Soul said:

subpoprockcity said:

PJ_Soul said:

subpoprockcity said:

stickman said:

So if you sign your 8 year old kid up, how is he/she gonna pick up the tickets ??

they go down to the venue with you, then head home with someone else. which I've actually seen happen.

There is an age limit. I think it's 13 or something like that. No 8 year old is picking up tix and then going home.

so you have someone 13 or older do the same thing. point doesn't change.

Learned my lesson though, next tour, gotta buy 7 memberships for myself and others, and tell everyone how fair this is supposed to be. right.

You can also have some someone who's 40 years old do the same thing. I don't see your point. once a kid is a teenager they need their own access to concerts. If they have a membership so they can give tix to someone else so what? Adults can do that too, and do. There is absolutely nothing you can do about it, and has absolutely nothing to do with how long they have been members.
10C does keep an eye out for people doing what you suggest btw, but there is only so much they can control. If someone has 7 friends with different addresses who are all willing to go to the show or go and pick up their tix and give them to you, then oh well. They ARE paying the membership fees as well. It's still a free country and there is no way around that so why bitch about it?

subpoprockcity said:

PJ_Soul said:

subpoprockcity said:

PJ_Soul said:

subpoprockcity said:

stickman said:

So if you sign your 8 year old kid up, how is he/she gonna pick up the tickets ??

they go down to the venue with you, then head home with someone else. which I've actually seen happen.

There is an age limit. I think it's 13 or something like that. No 8 year old is picking up tix and then going home.

so you have someone 13 or older do the same thing. point doesn't change.

Learned my lesson though, next tour, gotta buy 7 memberships for myself and others, and tell everyone how fair this is supposed to be. right.

You can also have some someone who's 40 years old do the same thing. I don't see your point. once a kid is a teenager they need their own access to concerts. If they have a membership so they can give tix to someone else so what? Adults can do that too, and do. There is absolutely nothing you can do about it, and has absolutely nothing to do with how long they have been members.
10C does keep an eye out for people doing what you suggest btw, but there is only so much they can control. If someone has 7 friends with different addresses who are all willing to go to the show or go and pick up their tix and give them to you, then oh well. They ARE paying the membership fees as well. It's still a free country and there is no way around that so why bitch about it?

So there is a bonafide way to cheat the system, but it's a fair system?
Just call it what it is, not random, not a lottery, and that you can improve your chances, instead of clinging to the idea that it's fair.

PJ_Soul said:

subpoprockcity said:

PJ_Soul said:

subpoprockcity said:

PJ_Soul said:

subpoprockcity said:

stickman said:

So if you sign your 8 year old kid up, how is he/she gonna pick up the tickets ??

they go down to the venue with you, then head home with someone else. which I've actually seen happen.

There is an age limit. I think it's 13 or something like that. No 8 year old is picking up tix and then going home.

so you have someone 13 or older do the same thing. point doesn't change.

Learned my lesson though, next tour, gotta buy 7 memberships for myself and others, and tell everyone how fair this is supposed to be. right.

You can also have some someone who's 40 years old do the same thing. I don't see your point. once a kid is a teenager they need their own access to concerts. If they have a membership so they can give tix to someone else so what? Adults can do that too, and do. There is absolutely nothing you can do about it, and has absolutely nothing to do with how long they have been members.
10C does keep an eye out for people doing what you suggest btw, but there is only so much they can control. If someone has 7 friends with different addresses who are all willing to go to the show or go and pick up their tix and give them to you, then oh well. They ARE paying the membership fees as well. It's still a free country and there is no way around that so why bitch about it?

So there is a bonafide way to cheat the system, but it's a fair system?
Just call it what it is, not random, not a lottery, and that you can improve your chances, instead of clinging to the idea that it's fair.

There is a way to cheat ALL systems. Seriously, show me a system that is completely fool proof. Not just with concert tickets. Any system in the world. Fair always means as fair as reasonably possible. Come on, you are a grown up, you know that.