Jenner Woman of the Year

oftenreading said:

PP193448 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Really... if you think about it... if we didn't concern ourselves with characteristics that do nothing other than to distinguish, categorize and subdivide the human population... this would be a non-issue.

Man? Woman? Christian? Muslim? Atheist? American? Chinese? Tall? Fat?

I used to laugh at the dogs that used to gather into packs at our cabin at the lake. Multiple visitors would come and the pack would grow larger with each new mutt. There'd be Pomeranians, German Shepherds, Bulldogs, Poodles, and all sorts of others. A pecking order would inevitably establish itself, but I know that now to be based on survival instincts (follow the lead dog when facing a threat).

But those dogs were all dogs. They really didn't seem to differentiate outside of establishing the alpha. They had an awesome time together despite many of them not having any experience with the others.

I understand our innate instincts geared towards collecting assets and resources while guarding them from others (war... reluctance to accept Syrian refugees)... but I don't get our need to differentiate on a social basis.

Dogs don't have social media... There no dog book (Facebook) or barker (Twitter).

They do have pee mail, though.

dignin said:

chadwick said:

does bruce still have his penis & testicles?

You are not paying attention. It makes no difference. Do you know the difference between gender and sex?

Here, I will give you a hint.

http://www.med.monash.edu.au/gendermed/sexandgender.html

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

chadwick said:

bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.

Brace yourself for the volley of eggs and rotten tomatoes.

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

dignin said:

tempo_n_groove said:

dignin said:

chadwick said:

does bruce still have his penis & testicles?

You are not paying attention. It makes no difference. Do you know the difference between gender and sex?

Here, I will give you a hint.

http://www.med.monash.edu.au/gendermed/sexandgender.html

Actually it does going by that link you posted…

In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:

Sorry. I pasted the wrong thing....something I was looking at earlier.

This is more clear.

The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender,[1] or intersex.

The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not.

Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.[5][6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction

Society has to make up our mind how to identify people
Male, Female or Transgender

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

chadwick said:

bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.

Brace yourself for the volley of eggs and rotten tomatoes.

I'm getting a bit sick of this line. Is that Victim thread still open?

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

dignin said:

tempo_n_groove said:

dignin said:

chadwick said:

does bruce still have his penis & testicles?

You are not paying attention. It makes no difference. Do you know the difference between gender and sex?

Here, I will give you a hint.

http://www.med.monash.edu.au/gendermed/sexandgender.html

Actually it does going by that link you posted…

In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:

Sorry. I pasted the wrong thing....something I was looking at earlier.

This is more clear.

The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender,[1] or intersex.

The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not.

Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.[5][6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction

Society has to make up our mind how to identify people
Male, Female or Transgender

Why?
In free societies like ours, where all people have the rght to self-determination, people should only need to claim their own identity, and then that should be respected by the rest of us.
I don't think most transgendered people think of themselves as a third gender, and i certainly don't either. They are simply men and women born with the wrong bodies.