In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:
Sorry. I pasted the wrong thing....something I was looking at earlier.
This is more clear.
The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender,[1] or intersex.
The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not.
Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.[5][6]
bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.
No one is arguing caitlyn is physically female....yet. Her name is caitlyn. It is by law. You are incorrect by continually calling her bruce. It isnt about you. It is about her.
bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.
Brace yourself for the volley of eggs and rotten tomatoes.
I'm getting a bit sick of this line. Is that Victim thread still open?
In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:
Sorry. I pasted the wrong thing....something I was looking at earlier.
This is more clear.
The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender,[1] or intersex.
The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not.
Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.[5][6]
Society has to make up our mind how to identify people Male, Female or Transgender
Why? In free societies like ours, where all people have the rght to self-determination, people should only need to claim their own identity, and then that should be respected by the rest of us. I don't think most transgendered people think of themselves as a third gender, and i certainly don't either. They are simply men and women born with the wrong bodies.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.
why is it mostly straight guys who are SO obsessed with dicks?
It's never once occurred to me to even think about what the privates of famous women look like.
bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.
Brace yourself for the volley of eggs and rotten tomatoes.
I'm getting a bit sick of this line. Is that Victim thread still open?
In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:
Sorry. I pasted the wrong thing....something I was looking at earlier.
This is more clear.
The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender,[1] or intersex.
The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not.
Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.[5][6]
Society has to make up our mind how to identify people Male, Female or Transgender
Why? In free societies like ours, where all people have the rght to self-determination, people should only need to claim their own identity, and then that should be respected by the rest of us. I don't think most transgendered people think of themselves as a third gender, and i certainly don't either. They are simply men and women born with the wrong bodies.
Sick of that line?
Can you please point out where it has been used lately? If you can... I'll formulate something else and admit to using something thats grown old.
If not... how about you check yourself? As tired as you might be of various items... do you think you are a breath of fresh air every time you enlighten us with your superior perspective?
Check myself? Are you joking? I don't think anything about that. I'm just here saying what I want to say just like everyone else, and I will keep on doing that. You have a problem with that it's yours, not mine.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Check myself? Are you joking? I don't think anything about that. I'm just here saying what I want to say just like everyone else, and I will keep on doing that. You have a problem with that it's yours, not mine.
No. It's obviously your problem. Go back and read your post.
I'm assuming you actually haven't heard 'what you are so tired of hearing' before? Because you haven't presented it. I understand it might not be word for word... but even something remotely close might offer some measure of credibility.
I think what you meant to say is that you are tired of people not being in full agreement mode with you.
Check myself? Are you joking? I don't think anything about that. I'm just here saying what I want to say just like everyone else, and I will keep on doing that. You have a problem with that it's yours, not mine.
No. It's obviously your problem. Go back and read your post.
I'm assuming you actually haven't heard 'what you are so tired of hearing' before? Because you haven't presented it. I understand it might not be word for word... but even something remotely close might offer some measure of credibility.
I think what you meant to say is that you are tired of people not being in full agreement mode with you.
Again someone mistaking debating or not agreeing with actual points for having some kind of mental problem related to not being agreed with in general. Again, no, that has absolutely nothing to do with it. I do not mind people disagreeing with me at all. I disagree with people all the time, so why would i have a problem with the same? I don't at all. I fous only on what is specifically being said, and respond any way i choose. No, what I meant was that I'm sick of the idea that those with whom many disagree with are somehow victims of persecution.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I have more of an issue with her winning the ESPY for courage. For the record i think it took a lot of personal courage to come out but the college basketball player who played while dying should have won. That was just a ratings ploy by ESPN.
bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.
Brace yourself for the volley of eggs and rotten tomatoes.
I'm getting a bit sick of this line. Is that Victim thread still open?
In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:
Sorry. I pasted the wrong thing....something I was looking at earlier.
This is more clear.
The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender,[1] or intersex.
The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not.
Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.[5][6]
Society has to make up our mind how to identify people Male, Female or Transgender
They are simply men and women born with the wrong bodies.
So we should just identify them as that? - "born with the wrong body"? Do you know how belittling that suggestion is? Male, Female or Transgender, simple.
bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.
Brace yourself for the volley of eggs and rotten tomatoes.
I'm getting a bit sick of this line. Is that Victim thread still open?
In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:
Sorry. I pasted the wrong thing....something I was looking at earlier.
This is more clear.
The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender,[1] or intersex.
The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not.
Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.[5][6]
Society has to make up our mind how to identify people Male, Female or Transgender
They are simply men and women born with the wrong bodies.
So we should just identify them as that? - "born with the wrong body"? Do you know how belittling that suggestion is? Male, Female or Transgender, simple.
No, you identify them as whatever they with to be identified as. What's belittling? No idea what you mean. That transgendered people feel like they were born with the wrong body is basically the defining feature of being transgendered.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.
Brace yourself for the volley of eggs and rotten tomatoes.
I'm getting a bit sick of this line. Is that Victim thread still open?
In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:
Sorry. I pasted the wrong thing....something I was looking at earlier.
This is more clear.
The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender,[1] or intersex.
The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not.
Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.[5][6]
Society has to make up our mind how to identify people Male, Female or Transgender
They are simply men and women born with the wrong bodies.
So we should just identify them as that? - "born with the wrong body"? Do you know how belittling that suggestion is? Male, Female or Transgender, simple.
No, you identify them as whatever they with to be identified as. What's belittling? No idea what you mean. That transgendered people feel like they were born with the wrong body is basically the defining feature of being transgendered.
Your post is like trying to decipher the washroom sign that has three and a half people on it.
bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.
Brace yourself for the volley of eggs and rotten tomatoes.
I'm getting a bit sick of this line. Is that Victim thread still open?
In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:
Sorry. I pasted the wrong thing....something I was looking at earlier.
This is more clear.
The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender,[1] or intersex.
The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not.
Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.[5][6]
Society has to make up our mind how to identify people Male, Female or Transgender
They are simply men and women born with the wrong bodies.
So we should just identify them as that? - "born with the wrong body"? Do you know how belittling that suggestion is? Male, Female or Transgender, simple.
No, you identify them as whatever they with to be identified as. What's belittling? No idea what you mean. That transgendered people feel like they were born with the wrong body is basically the defining feature of being transgendered.
Your post is like trying to decipher the washroom sign that has three and a half people on it.
No idea why you think so. It's not a complicated concept.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.
Brace yourself for the volley of eggs and rotten tomatoes.
I'm getting a bit sick of this line. Is that Victim thread still open?
In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:
Sorry. I pasted the wrong thing....something I was looking at earlier.
This is more clear.
The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender,[1] or intersex.
The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not.
Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.[5][6]
Society has to make up our mind how to identify people Male, Female or Transgender
They are simply men and women born with the wrong bodies.
So we should just identify them as that? - "born with the wrong body"? Do you know how belittling that suggestion is? Male, Female or Transgender, simple.
No, you identify them as whatever they with to be identified as. What's belittling? No idea what you mean. That transgendered people feel like they were born with the wrong body is basically the defining feature of being transgendered.
OK, so Bruce Jenner was a man, married, has kids and loves women and was heterosexual.
Now Bruce is Caitlyn, has boobs, his man parts, still loves women and is now a woman...
bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.
Brace yourself for the volley of eggs and rotten tomatoes.
I'm getting a bit sick of this line. Is that Victim thread still open?
In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:
Sorry. I pasted the wrong thing....something I was looking at earlier.
This is more clear.
The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender,[1] or intersex.
The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not.
Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.[5][6]
Society has to make up our mind how to identify people Male, Female or Transgender
Why? In free societies like ours, where all people have the rght to self-determination, people should only need to claim their own identity, and then that should be respected by the rest of us. I don't think most transgendered people think of themselves as a third gender, and i certainly don't either. They are simply men and women born with the wrong bodies.
Sick of that line?
Can you please point out where it has been used lately? If you can... I'll formulate something else and admit to using something thats grown old.
If not... how about you check yourself? As tired as you might be of various items... do you think you are a breath of fresh air every time you enlighten us with your superior perspective?
"Standby for rotten eggs and tomatoes thrown your way." Direct quite from the Paris thread, and PJsoul is correct, this victim sentiment is becoming a common theme.
Also, as usual, your posting style could easily be seen as passive-aggressive insulting.
bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.
Brace yourself for the volley of eggs and rotten tomatoes.
I'm getting a bit sick of this line. Is that Victim thread still open?
In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:
Sorry. I pasted the wrong thing....something I was looking at earlier.
This is more clear.
The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender,[1] or intersex.
The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not.
Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.[5][6]
Society has to make up our mind how to identify people Male, Female or Transgender
They are simply men and women born with the wrong bodies.
So we should just identify them as that? - "born with the wrong body"? Do you know how belittling that suggestion is? Male, Female or Transgender, simple.
No, you identify them as whatever they with to be identified as. What's belittling? No idea what you mean. That transgendered people feel like they were born with the wrong body is basically the defining feature of being transgendered.
OK, so Bruce Jenner was a man, married, has kids and loves women and was heterosexual.
Now Bruce is Caitlyn, has boobs, his man parts, still loves women and is now a woman...
So is she a lesbian now?
I don't know any specifics about her, nor do I care to. The point is that she is who ever she wants to be. Whatever she wants to identify as is who she is. We don't need to put a label on her.
jenner is a caveman, yes/no? jenner is a purple unicorn, yes/no? jenner is a smurf, yes/no? jenner is the number five, yes/no? like prince/the artist formerly known as prince, jenner's name is a symbol, yes/no? jenner is a giraffe, yes/no? 'sasquatch', is the title jenner gave his stuff, yes/no?
bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.
Brace yourself for the volley of eggs and rotten tomatoes.
I'm getting a bit sick of this line. Is that Victim thread still open?
In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:
Sorry. I pasted the wrong thing....something I was looking at earlier.
This is more clear.
The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender,[1] or intersex.
The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not.
Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.[5][6]
Society has to make up our mind how to identify people Male, Female or Transgender
Why? In free societies like ours, where all people have the rght to self-determination, people should only need to claim their own identity, and then that should be respected by the rest of us. I don't think most transgendered people think of themselves as a third gender, and i certainly don't either. They are simply men and women born with the wrong bodies.
Sick of that line?
Can you please point out where it has been used lately? If you can... I'll formulate something else and admit to using something thats grown old.
If not... how about you check yourself? As tired as you might be of various items... do you think you are a breath of fresh air every time you enlighten us with your superior perspective?
"Standby for rotten eggs and tomatoes thrown your way." Direct quite from the Paris thread, and PJsoul is correct, this victim sentiment is becoming a common theme.
Also, as usual, your arrogant, aggrandizing posting style is insulting.
Not by me... it was also made 'after' my comment and it directly referenced my comment (pointing out the same thing). You likely never noticed "as someone stated before good luck" directly preceding what you quoted.
So, it still stands as something less frequently stated than charged. Good try though.
bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.
Brace yourself for the volley of eggs and rotten tomatoes.
I'm getting a bit sick of this line. Is that Victim thread still open?
In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:
Sorry. I pasted the wrong thing....something I was looking at earlier.
This is more clear.
The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender,[1] or intersex.
The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not.
Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.[5][6]
Society has to make up our mind how to identify people Male, Female or Transgender
They are simply men and women born with the wrong bodies.
So we should just identify them as that? - "born with the wrong body"? Do you know how belittling that suggestion is? Male, Female or Transgender, simple.
No, you identify them as whatever they with to be identified as. What's belittling? No idea what you mean. That transgendered people feel like they were born with the wrong body is basically the defining feature of being transgendered.
OK, so Bruce Jenner was a man, married, has kids and loves women and was heterosexual.
Now Bruce is Caitlyn, has boobs, his man parts, still loves women and is now a woman...
So is she a lesbian now?
I don't know. Who cares? I don't see how that makes any difference.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.
Brace yourself for the volley of eggs and rotten tomatoes.
I'm getting a bit sick of this line. Is that Victim thread still open?
In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:
Sorry. I pasted the wrong thing....something I was looking at earlier.
This is more clear.
The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender,[1] or intersex.
The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not.
Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.[5][6]
Society has to make up our mind how to identify people Male, Female or Transgender
They are simply men and women born with the wrong bodies.
So we should just identify them as that? - "born with the wrong body"? Do you know how belittling that suggestion is? Male, Female or Transgender, simple.
No, you identify them as whatever they with to be identified as. What's belittling? No idea what you mean. That transgendered people feel like they were born with the wrong body is basically the defining feature of being transgendered.
OK, so Bruce Jenner was a man, married, has kids and loves women and was heterosexual.
Now Bruce is Caitlyn, has boobs, his man parts, still loves women and is now a woman...
So is she a lesbian now?
I don't know. Who cares? I don't see how that makes any difference.
Why comment if you don't care then?
I thought it was an interesting question to ask...
bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.
Brace yourself for the volley of eggs and rotten tomatoes.
I'm getting a bit sick of this line. Is that Victim thread still open?
In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:
Sorry. I pasted the wrong thing....something I was looking at earlier.
This is more clear.
The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender,[1] or intersex.
The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not.
Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.[5][6]
Society has to make up our mind how to identify people Male, Female or Transgender
They are simply men and women born with the wrong bodies.
So we should just identify them as that? - "born with the wrong body"? Do you know how belittling that suggestion is? Male, Female or Transgender, simple.
No, you identify them as whatever they with to be identified as. What's belittling? No idea what you mean. That transgendered people feel like they were born with the wrong body is basically the defining feature of being transgendered.
OK, so Bruce Jenner was a man, married, has kids and loves women and was heterosexual.
Now Bruce is Caitlyn, has boobs, his man parts, still loves women and is now a woman...
So is she a lesbian now?
I don't know. Who cares? I don't see how that makes any difference.
Why comment if you don't care then?
I thought it was an interesting question to ask...
I think part of the point is that we as a society seem to have this obsession with labelling everything, which is part of the problem. are you hetero? homo? bi?
bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.
Brace yourself for the volley of eggs and rotten tomatoes.
I'm getting a bit sick of this line. Is that Victim thread still open?
In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:
Sorry. I pasted the wrong thing....something I was looking at earlier.
This is more clear.
The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender,[1] or intersex.
The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not.
Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.[5][6]
Society has to make up our mind how to identify people Male, Female or Transgender
They are simply men and women born with the wrong bodies.
So we should just identify them as that? - "born with the wrong body"? Do you know how belittling that suggestion is? Male, Female or Transgender, simple.
No, you identify them as whatever they with to be identified as. What's belittling? No idea what you mean. That transgendered people feel like they were born with the wrong body is basically the defining feature of being transgendered.
OK, so Bruce Jenner was a man, married, has kids and loves women and was heterosexual.
Now Bruce is Caitlyn, has boobs, his man parts, still loves women and is now a woman...
So is she a lesbian now?
I don't know. Who cares? I don't see how that makes any difference.
Why comment if you don't care then?
I thought it was an interesting question to ask...
Because my comment has a point. That is doesn't matter whether she likes guys or gals. It's a moot question (and also one that was already brought up earlier in the thread, but I realize you may not have caught that).
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.
Brace yourself for the volley of eggs and rotten tomatoes.
I'm getting a bit sick of this line. Is that Victim thread still open?
In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:
Sorry. I pasted the wrong thing....something I was looking at earlier.
This is more clear.
The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender,[1] or intersex.
The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not.
Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.[5][6]
Society has to make up our mind how to identify people Male, Female or Transgender
They are simply men and women born with the wrong bodies.
So we should just identify them as that? - "born with the wrong body"? Do you know how belittling that suggestion is? Male, Female or Transgender, simple.
No, you identify them as whatever they with to be identified as. What's belittling? No idea what you mean. That transgendered people feel like they were born with the wrong body is basically the defining feature of being transgendered.
OK, so Bruce Jenner was a man, married, has kids and loves women and was heterosexual.
Now Bruce is Caitlyn, has boobs, his man parts, still loves women and is now a woman...
So is she a lesbian now?
I don't know. Who cares? I don't see how that makes any difference.
Why comment if you don't care then?
I thought it was an interesting question to ask...
Because my comment has a point. That is doesn't matter whether she likes guys or gals. It's a moot question (and also one that was already brought up earlier in the thread, but I realize you may not have caught that).
bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.
Brace yourself for the volley of eggs and rotten tomatoes.
I'm getting a bit sick of this line. Is that Victim thread still open?
In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:
Sorry. I pasted the wrong thing....something I was looking at earlier.
This is more clear.
The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender,[1] or intersex.
The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not.
Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.[5][6]
Society has to make up our mind how to identify people Male, Female or Transgender
They are simply men and women born with the wrong bodies.
So we should just identify them as that? - "born with the wrong body"? Do you know how belittling that suggestion is? Male, Female or Transgender, simple.
No, you identify them as whatever they with to be identified as. What's belittling? No idea what you mean. That transgendered people feel like they were born with the wrong body is basically the defining feature of being transgendered.
OK, so Bruce Jenner was a man, married, has kids and loves women and was heterosexual.
Now Bruce is Caitlyn, has boobs, his man parts, still loves women and is now a woman...
So is she a lesbian now?
I don't know. Who cares? I don't see how that makes any difference.
Why comment if you don't care then?
I thought it was an interesting question to ask...
I think part of the point is that we as a society seem to have this obsession with labelling everything, which is part of the problem. are you hetero? homo? bi?
how about "I'm just me"?
No, we have a gutless society that placates to the extreme minority. Transgender is not normal. We don't have an obsession with labeling. We just know that people are born male and female. Whether one has a chemical imbalance in the brain shouldn't add a third gender type.
Are people like Jenner bad people? No, of course not. Should they be treated with respect? Of course. But should society have to adapt to them based on their decisions about their bodies? I don't think so.
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bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.
Brace yourself for the volley of eggs and rotten tomatoes.
I'm getting a bit sick of this line. Is that Victim thread still open?
In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:
Sorry. I pasted the wrong thing....something I was looking at earlier.
This is more clear.
The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender,[1] or intersex.
The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not.
Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.[5][6]
Society has to make up our mind how to identify people Male, Female or Transgender
They are simply men and women born with the wrong bodies.
So we should just identify them as that? - "born with the wrong body"? Do you know how belittling that suggestion is? Male, Female or Transgender, simple.
No, you identify them as whatever they with to be identified as. What's belittling? No idea what you mean. That transgendered people feel like they were born with the wrong body is basically the defining feature of being transgendered.
OK, so Bruce Jenner was a man, married, has kids and loves women and was heterosexual.
Now Bruce is Caitlyn, has boobs, his man parts, still loves women and is now a woman...
So is she a lesbian now?
I don't know. Who cares? I don't see how that makes any difference.
Why comment if you don't care then?
I thought it was an interesting question to ask...
I think part of the point is that we as a society seem to have this obsession with labelling everything, which is part of the problem. are you hetero? homo? bi?
how about "I'm just me"?
No, we have a gutless society that placates to the extreme minority. Transgender is not normal. We don't have an obsession with labeling. We just know that people are born male and female. Whether one has a chemical imbalance in the brain shouldn't add a third gender type.
Are people like Jenner bad people? No, of course not. Should they be treated with respect? Of course. But should society have to adapt to them based on their decisions about their bodies? I don't think so.
Are not "normal" and "abnormal" labels as well? And what is normal or abnormal anyway? I've never understood that nor care.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
bruce is a male not a female. he dresses as a woman. he may be feminine. he may take meds that enhance his breasts. dude's a guy w/ a samurai sword in his pocket. his innerness may feel womanly & that's fine & stuff. bruce isn't a full on woman at all & never will be. i am sorry but that's the way it is.
Brace yourself for the volley of eggs and rotten tomatoes.
I'm getting a bit sick of this line. Is that Victim thread still open?
In sociological terms 'gender role' refers to the characteristics and behaviours that different cultures attribute to the sexes. What it means to be a 'real man' in any culture requires male sex plus what our various cultures define as masculine characteristics and behaviours, likewise a 'real woman' needs female sex and feminine characteristics. To summarise:
Sorry. I pasted the wrong thing....something I was looking at earlier.
This is more clear.
The distinction between sex and gender differentiates sex (the anatomy of an individual's reproductive system, and secondary sex characteristics) from gender, which can refer to either social roles based on the sex of the person (gender role) or personal identification of one's own gender based on an internal awareness (gender identity).[1][2] In some circumstances, an individual's assigned sex and gender do not align, and the person may be transgender,[1] or intersex.
The sex and gender distinction is not universal. In ordinary speech, sex and gender are often used interchangeably.[3][4] Some dictionaries and academic disciplines give them different definitions while others do not.
Among scientists, the term sex differences (as compared to gender differences) is typically applied to sexually dimorphic traits that are hypothesized to be evolved consequences of sexual selection.[5][6]
Society has to make up our mind how to identify people Male, Female or Transgender
They are simply men and women born with the wrong bodies.
So we should just identify them as that? - "born with the wrong body"? Do you know how belittling that suggestion is? Male, Female or Transgender, simple.
No, you identify them as whatever they with to be identified as. What's belittling? No idea what you mean. That transgendered people feel like they were born with the wrong body is basically the defining feature of being transgendered.
OK, so Bruce Jenner was a man, married, has kids and loves women and was heterosexual.
Now Bruce is Caitlyn, has boobs, his man parts, still loves women and is now a woman...
So is she a lesbian now?
I don't know. Who cares? I don't see how that makes any difference.
Why comment if you don't care then?
I thought it was an interesting question to ask...
I think part of the point is that we as a society seem to have this obsession with labelling everything, which is part of the problem. are you hetero? homo? bi?
how about "I'm just me"?
No, we have a gutless society that placates to the extreme minority. Transgender is not normal. We don't have an obsession with labeling. We just know that people are born male and female. Whether one has a chemical imbalance in the brain shouldn't add a third gender type.
Are people like Jenner bad people? No, of course not. Should they be treated with respect? Of course. But should society have to adapt to them based on their decisions about their bodies? I don't think so.
Kinda like how being gay isn't normal? I wouldn't expect a post like this in 2015......blast from the past man.
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Male, Female or Transgender
Though it will most likely fall on deaf ears.
People are talking about this person like a bio science project.
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"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Thank you.
In free societies like ours, where all people have the rght to self-determination, people should only need to claim their own identity, and then that should be respected by the rest of us.
I don't think most transgendered people think of themselves as a third gender, and i certainly don't either. They are simply men and women born with the wrong bodies.
It's never once occurred to me to even think about what the privates of famous women look like.
Can you please point out where it has been used lately? If you can... I'll formulate something else and admit to using something thats grown old.
If not... how about you check yourself? As tired as you might be of various items... do you think you are a breath of fresh air every time you enlighten us with your superior perspective?
I don't think anything about that. I'm just here saying what I want to say just like everyone else, and I will keep on doing that. You have a problem with that it's yours, not mine.
I'm assuming you actually haven't heard 'what you are so tired of hearing' before? Because you haven't presented it. I understand it might not be word for word... but even something remotely close might offer some measure of credibility.
I think what you meant to say is that you are tired of people not being in full agreement mode with you.
Do you know how belittling that suggestion is?
Male, Female or Transgender, simple.
What's belittling? No idea what you mean. That transgendered people feel like they were born with the wrong body is basically the defining feature of being transgendered.
Now Bruce is Caitlyn, has boobs, his man parts, still loves women and is now a woman...
So is she a lesbian now?
Direct quite from the Paris thread, and PJsoul is correct, this victim sentiment is becoming a common theme.
Also, as usual, your posting style could easily be seen as passive-aggressive insulting.
jenner is a purple unicorn, yes/no?
jenner is a smurf, yes/no?
jenner is the number five, yes/no?
like prince/the artist formerly known as prince, jenner's name is a symbol, yes/no?
jenner is a giraffe, yes/no?
'sasquatch', is the title jenner gave his stuff, yes/no?
don't worry there's more to come in a bit
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
So, it still stands as something less frequently stated than charged. Good try though.
Aw shucks, eh?
I thought it was an interesting question to ask...
how about "I'm just me"?
www.headstonesband.com
It's a moot question (and also one that was already brought up earlier in the thread, but I realize you may not have caught that).
Are people like Jenner bad people? No, of course not. Should they be treated with respect? Of course. But should society have to adapt to them based on their decisions about their bodies? I don't think so.