Paris Attacks

dignin said:

bootlegger10 said:

dignin said:

bootlegger10 said:

dignin said:

I think this applies to the AMT

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/14/opinion/the-exploitation-of-paris.html

Can’t we wait until we’ve resolved the body count? Until the identities of all of the victims have been determined and their families informed? Until the sirens stop wailing? Until the blood is dry?

Or must we instantly bootstrap obliquely related agendas and utterly unconnected grievances to the carnage in Paris, responding to it with an unsavory opportunism instead of a respectful grief?

How is a discusson on Syrian mass migration in Europe utterly unconnected to a terrorist attack carried out by Syrian migrants in Paris?

Why can't we have this discussion on AMT? What harm is being done by having this discussion right now? Is it because the attack doesn't fit the narrative of open borders that we can't talk about it right now? I didn't see any liberals being quiet about gun control after Sandy Hook. Nobody was saying 'let's wait a few months to have a discussion on guns'.

That NY Times article comes out of an agenda just like most articles.

For one, stop calling them migrants. They are refugees.

Secondly, I didn't say we shouldn't discuss refugees. If you look back through some of the comments here.....these attacks are being tied to a bunch of unrelated shit. BDS movement for one. And for the record you were tying this to refugees before you had any evidence of it, fitting it to your agenda. You maybe right now, but at the time you had no idea.

Thirdly, why do you keep going on about us "liberals" wanting to open our borders unchecked? Not one person here is calling for that. Your making that shit up to paint us "liberals" as extreme.

I suggest you take the time to go read the refugee thread....and maybe post there if you feel so inclined.

Lastly, you tell me to not post about refugees in a thread about a terrorist attacked performed by refugees. That is utterly ridiculous. I'll go back to college if I want to be in a place where only one viewpoint is allowed.

Didn't say that. In fact I said "Secondly, I didn't say we shouldn't discuss refugees" . But you seem to like putting words in other peoples mouths.

You just told me to go post in the refugee thread in your last response to me. Don't act like that wasn't a jab at me to shut down my posting in this thread.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/11/13/french-tv-slams-conservatives-for-politicizing-paris-attacks-newt-gingrich-shame-on-you-video/

Dignin and I do not stand alone apparently.

To get this thread back on topic

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/14/world/paris-attack-victims/index.html

(CNN)In the aftermath of the devastating terror attacks on Paris on Friday, the identities of some of the victims are slowly becoming known.

Paris prosecutor Francois Molins told reporters at a news conference Saturday that there have been 129 people killed and 352 wounded.

One of the targets was the Stade de France, where France was playing Germany in an international friendly. France midfielder Lassana Diarra said his cousin, Asta Diakite, died in the attacks, though he did not say where she was killed.

Valentin Ribet was a Paris lawyer and graduate of the London School of Economics and Political Science.
A Parisian lawyer was also killed, according to the Paris Bar and the London School of Economics. The school said Valentin Ribet graduated in 2014.

Paris victim Lola Salines was at the Bataclan concert hall, her father said.
Lola Salines, who worked with La Boucherie de Paris, a roller derby team, died in the attacks, according to her father, Georges Salines. He wrote earlier on Twitter that Salines was at the Bataclan theater, where most of the victims were killed.

ldent42 said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

dignin said:

bootlegger10 said:

dignin said:

I think this applies to the AMT

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/14/opinion/the-exploitation-of-paris.html

Can’t we wait until we’ve resolved the body count? Until the identities of all of the victims have been determined and their families informed? Until the sirens stop wailing? Until the blood is dry?

Or must we instantly bootstrap obliquely related agendas and utterly unconnected grievances to the carnage in Paris, responding to it with an unsavory opportunism instead of a respectful grief?

How is a discusson on Syrian mass migration in Europe utterly unconnected to a terrorist attack carried out by Syrian migrants in Paris?

Why can't we have this discussion on AMT? What harm is being done by having this discussion right now? Is it because the attack doesn't fit the narrative of open borders that we can't talk about it right now? I didn't see any liberals being quiet about gun control after Sandy Hook. Nobody was saying 'let's wait a few months to have a discussion on guns'.

That NY Times article comes out of an agenda just like most articles.

why do you keep going on about us "liberals" wanting to open our borders unchecked? Not one person here is calling for that. Your making that shit up to paint us "liberals" as extreme.

Libs are for settling as many as possible in prompt order but won't admit that it takes time to properly screen an individual as "clean".
"Hurry up settle those refugees"! claim the libs
"Just don't tell me how".

no one is saying that.

No one is ever saying that borders should be open without any form of security.

If anything these liberal bogeymen you speak of are saying that it would be nice if the hundreds of thousands of non-violent terrorist criminals that have fled Syria et al didn't get punished for the shit that the dirtbag terrorists who snuck in pretending to be refugees have done. Crazy, right?

Agree. Please stop with the inane "evil libs" crap. This is a terrible attack, this is a terrible, complex problem that no one knows how to fix. I sure don't. Does anybody?

rgambs said:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/11/13/french-tv-slams-conservatives-for-politicizing-paris-attacks-newt-gingrich-shame-on-you-video/

Dignin and I do not stand alone apparently.

And neither do I. I'm sure I could find millions of French people right now who agree with me. Merkel is close to being ousted in Germany. Austria is building a fence on its Slovenian border. Hungary is building a fence. France closed its borders. Sweden and Germany are resuming border checks for the time being.

Last I checked the discussions on AMT do not become national news. Obviously I wouldn't stand on a street corner in Paris saying this stuff to people who are grieving. There are like 25 people posting in this thread.

rgambs said:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/11/13/french-tv-slams-conservatives-for-politicizing-paris-attacks-newt-gingrich-shame-on-you-video/

Dignin and I do not stand alone apparently.

You're lumping all questioning the wisdom of a Carte Blanche policy to accepting refugees as gun loving Trump supporters?

Just you and Dignin as the righteous?

Congratulations on being so awesome.

bootlegger10 said:

dignin said:

bootlegger10 said:

dignin said:

bootlegger10 said:

dignin said:

I think this applies to the AMT

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/14/opinion/the-exploitation-of-paris.html

Can’t we wait until we’ve resolved the body count? Until the identities of all of the victims have been determined and their families informed? Until the sirens stop wailing? Until the blood is dry?

Or must we instantly bootstrap obliquely related agendas and utterly unconnected grievances to the carnage in Paris, responding to it with an unsavory opportunism instead of a respectful grief?

How is a discusson on Syrian mass migration in Europe utterly unconnected to a terrorist attack carried out by Syrian migrants in Paris?

Why can't we have this discussion on AMT? What harm is being done by having this discussion right now? Is it because the attack doesn't fit the narrative of open borders that we can't talk about it right now? I didn't see any liberals being quiet about gun control after Sandy Hook. Nobody was saying 'let's wait a few months to have a discussion on guns'.

That NY Times article comes out of an agenda just like most articles.

For one, stop calling them migrants. They are refugees.

Secondly, I didn't say we shouldn't discuss refugees. If you look back through some of the comments here.....these attacks are being tied to a bunch of unrelated shit. BDS movement for one. And for the record you were tying this to refugees before you had any evidence of it, fitting it to your agenda. You maybe right now, but at the time you had no idea.

Thirdly, why do you keep going on about us "liberals" wanting to open our borders unchecked? Not one person here is calling for that. Your making that shit up to paint us "liberals" as extreme.

I suggest you take the time to go read the refugee thread....and maybe post there if you feel so inclined.

Lastly, you tell me to not post about refugees in a thread about a terrorist attacked performed by refugees. That is utterly ridiculous. I'll go back to college if I want to be in a place where only one viewpoint is allowed.

Didn't say that. In fact I said "Secondly, I didn't say we shouldn't discuss refugees" . But you seem to like putting words in other peoples mouths.

You just told me to go post in the refugee thread in your last response to me. Don't act like that wasn't a jab at me to shut down my posting in this thread.

I apologize if that was how that last statement was taken, but that was not my intent. I was genuine in saying you should check out the refugee thread. It is something you seem very interested in and a lot of what we are talking about here was covered in that thread. That is what I was trying to convey. No jab.

muskydan said:

JWPearl said:

rgambs said:

Given that the Middle East region only accounts for what, 10%? of the Muslim world, the anti-Islam sentiment in the US is going to get sickeningly bad. It is already pretty disgusting, but the next few weeks are going to be a good time to stay away from social media.

its is disgusting and the reasons are even worse to fathom
it makes me wonder of those who in those countries are in agreement
with their actions and are watching on and thinking of doing similar
things

Fuckin A!!! Never doubt your scooby- sence...especially if you live in a big urban area.

The terrorists win when you don't live your life because you are in fear. Do I keep my guard up a bit more than I once did? sure, but man the fuck up. Dude, you're a cop. Be a man