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I've read China Marine so kinda doing things backwards with Sledge. Read Robert Leckie's Helmet for My Pillow before thatmcgruff10 said:
Dude "with the old breedjnimhaoileoin said:
It's on my listmcgruff10 said:
Ambrose is my favorite author. Read the victors next.jnimhaoileoin said:So I've been reading a brilliant book by Stephen Ambrose called 'Citizen Soldiers'. He gives fantastic accounts from frontline soldiers on both sides and there are some great stories, so I thought I might share a couple with ye that made an impression on me (however small an event)...
Even in the bloody chaos of Falaise, a humane spirit could come over these young men so far from home. Lt. Hans-Heinrich Dibbern, of Panzer Grenadier Regiment 902, set up a roadblock outside Argenten. "From the direction of the American line came an ambulance driving towards us", he remembered. "The driver was obviously lost. When he noticed that he was behind German lines, he slammed on the brakes." Dibbern went to the ambulance. "The driver's face was completely white. He had wounded men he was responsible for. But we told him, 'back out of here and get going - we don't attack the Red Cross'. He quickly disappeared."
An hour or so later, "here comes another Red Cross truck. It pulls up right in front of us. The driver got out, opened the back and took out a crate. He set it down on the street and drove away. We feared a bomb, but nothing happened and we were curious. We opened the box and it was filled with Chesterfield cigarettes."
- Hans-Heinrich Dibbern interview by Hugh Ambrose
Have Pegasus Bridge and requested D-Day from the library today. Next up for me is Eugene Sledge 'With the Old Breed' though
" is amazing. You won't be able to
Put it down. If you want a cool Vietnam read try "the things we carried".
Think I'll stick with WWII for now, I have much to learn0 -
jnimhaoileoin said:
I've read China Marine so kinda doing things backwards with Sledge. Read Robert Leckie's Helmet for My Pillow before thatmcgruff10 said:
Dude "with the old breedjnimhaoileoin said:
It's on my listmcgruff10 said:
Ambrose is my favorite author. Read the victors next.jnimhaoileoin said:So I've been reading a brilliant book by Stephen Ambrose called 'Citizen Soldiers'. He gives fantastic accounts from frontline soldiers on both sides and there are some great stories, so I thought I might share a couple with ye that made an impression on me (however small an event)...
Even in the bloody chaos of Falaise, a humane spirit could come over these young men so far from home. Lt. Hans-Heinrich Dibbern, of Panzer Grenadier Regiment 902, set up a roadblock outside Argenten. "From the direction of the American line came an ambulance driving towards us", he remembered. "The driver was obviously lost. When he noticed that he was behind German lines, he slammed on the brakes." Dibbern went to the ambulance. "The driver's face was completely white. He had wounded men he was responsible for. But we told him, 'back out of here and get going - we don't attack the Red Cross'. He quickly disappeared."
An hour or so later, "here comes another Red Cross truck. It pulls up right in front of us. The driver got out, opened the back and took out a crate. He set it down on the street and drove away. We feared a bomb, but nothing happened and we were curious. We opened the box and it was filled with Chesterfield cigarettes."
- Hans-Heinrich Dibbern interview by Hugh Ambrose Have Pegasus Bridge and requested D-Day from the library today. Next up for me is Eugene Sledge 'With the Old Breed' though
" is amazing. You won't be able to
Put it down. If you want a cool Vietnam read try "the things we carried".
Think I'll stick with WWII for now, I have much to learn
You have to read about the russian/ German front. Try the author Anthony beevor: Stalingrad or the fall of Berlin 1945. Both books are amazing!jnimhaoileoin said:
I've read China Marine so kinda doing things backwards with Sledge. Read Robert Leckie's Helmet for My Pillow before thatmcgruff10 said:
Dude "with the old breedjnimhaoileoin said:
It's on my listmcgruff10 said:
Ambrose is my favorite author. Read the victors next.jnimhaoileoin said:So I've been reading a brilliant book by Stephen Ambrose called 'Citizen Soldiers'. He gives fantastic accounts from frontline soldiers on both sides and there are some great stories, so I thought I might share a couple with ye that made an impression on me (however small an event)...
Even in the bloody chaos of Falaise, a humane spirit could come over these young men so far from home. Lt. Hans-Heinrich Dibbern, of Panzer Grenadier Regiment 902, set up a roadblock outside Argenten. "From the direction of the American line came an ambulance driving towards us", he remembered. "The driver was obviously lost. When he noticed that he was behind German lines, he slammed on the brakes." Dibbern went to the ambulance. "The driver's face was completely white. He had wounded men he was responsible for. But we told him, 'back out of here and get going - we don't attack the Red Cross'. He quickly disappeared."
An hour or so later, "here comes another Red Cross truck. It pulls up right in front of us. The driver got out, opened the back and took out a crate. He set it down on the street and drove away. We feared a bomb, but nothing happened and we were curious. We opened the box and it was filled with Chesterfield cigarettes."
- Hans-Heinrich Dibbern interview by Hugh Ambrose Have Pegasus Bridge and requested D-Day from the library today. Next up for me is Eugene Sledge 'With the Old Breed' though
" is amazing. You won't be able to
Put it down. If you want a cool Vietnam read try "the things we carried".
Think I'll stick with WWII for now, I have much to learnI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
I think I find it harder to relate to the stories from the Eastern front as it seemed like both sides were as bad as each othermcgruff10 said:jnimhaoileoin said:
I've read China Marine so kinda doing things backwards with Sledge. Read Robert Leckie's Helmet for My Pillow before thatmcgruff10 said:
Dude "with the old breedjnimhaoileoin said:
It's on my listmcgruff10 said:
Ambrose is my favorite author. Read the victors next.jnimhaoileoin said:So I've been reading a brilliant book by Stephen Ambrose called 'Citizen Soldiers'. He gives fantastic accounts from frontline soldiers on both sides and there are some great stories, so I thought I might share a couple with ye that made an impression on me (however small an event)...
Even in the bloody chaos of Falaise, a humane spirit could come over these young men so far from home. Lt. Hans-Heinrich Dibbern, of Panzer Grenadier Regiment 902, set up a roadblock outside Argenten. "From the direction of the American line came an ambulance driving towards us", he remembered. "The driver was obviously lost. When he noticed that he was behind German lines, he slammed on the brakes." Dibbern went to the ambulance. "The driver's face was completely white. He had wounded men he was responsible for. But we told him, 'back out of here and get going - we don't attack the Red Cross'. He quickly disappeared."
An hour or so later, "here comes another Red Cross truck. It pulls up right in front of us. The driver got out, opened the back and took out a crate. He set it down on the street and drove away. We feared a bomb, but nothing happened and we were curious. We opened the box and it was filled with Chesterfield cigarettes."
- Hans-Heinrich Dibbern interview by Hugh Ambrose Have Pegasus Bridge and requested D-Day from the library today. Next up for me is Eugene Sledge 'With the Old Breed' though
" is amazing. You won't be able to
Put it down. If you want a cool Vietnam read try "the things we carried".
Think I'll stick with WWII for now, I have much to learn
You have to read about the russian/ German front. Try the author Anthony beevor: Stalingrad or the fall of Berlin 1945. Both books are amazing!jnimhaoileoin said:
I've read China Marine so kinda doing things backwards with Sledge. Read Robert Leckie's Helmet for My Pillow before thatmcgruff10 said:
Dude "with the old breedjnimhaoileoin said:
It's on my listmcgruff10 said:
Ambrose is my favorite author. Read the victors next.jnimhaoileoin said:So I've been reading a brilliant book by Stephen Ambrose called 'Citizen Soldiers'. He gives fantastic accounts from frontline soldiers on both sides and there are some great stories, so I thought I might share a couple with ye that made an impression on me (however small an event)...
Even in the bloody chaos of Falaise, a humane spirit could come over these young men so far from home. Lt. Hans-Heinrich Dibbern, of Panzer Grenadier Regiment 902, set up a roadblock outside Argenten. "From the direction of the American line came an ambulance driving towards us", he remembered. "The driver was obviously lost. When he noticed that he was behind German lines, he slammed on the brakes." Dibbern went to the ambulance. "The driver's face was completely white. He had wounded men he was responsible for. But we told him, 'back out of here and get going - we don't attack the Red Cross'. He quickly disappeared."
An hour or so later, "here comes another Red Cross truck. It pulls up right in front of us. The driver got out, opened the back and took out a crate. He set it down on the street and drove away. We feared a bomb, but nothing happened and we were curious. We opened the box and it was filled with Chesterfield cigarettes."
- Hans-Heinrich Dibbern interview by Hugh Ambrose Have Pegasus Bridge and requested D-Day from the library today. Next up for me is Eugene Sledge 'With the Old Breed' though
" is amazing. You won't be able to
Put it down. If you want a cool Vietnam read try "the things we carried".
Think I'll stick with WWII for now, I have much to learn0 -
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"A squad to Wilson's right got caught in a minefield. The lieutenant leading it had a leg blown off. Four men who came to help him set off mines, and each lost a leg. Wilson started over to help, but the lieutenant yelled at him to stay back. Then the lieutenant began talking, calmly, to the wounded men around him. One by one, he directed them back over the path they had taken into the minefield. One by one, on hands and knee, dragging a stump, they got out. Then the lieutenant dragged himself out."0 -
After finishing up a meeting this morning a member (customer) came up to me to ask if we had any cabinets. I told him no but I could be wrong in that our store is coming into season and constant change. Anyway this man could talk even though we apparently didn't have what he was looking for. He went on to speak with me and another manager about his participation in WWII. so while he's talking I looked him over in that I'm also a nurse who cares for a WWII vet who is 91. This man had to be 90+ However, he looked no more than 80. I had to ask him how old he was and showed his Army vet ID card and he was also 91. He said he fought in the Pacific for 6 months.
He made me smile not because he loved to crack jokes for the 15 minutes we spoke by I kept thinking if I ever lived to be 90 I liked to be in as apparent good shape as that guy. I hope he's not alone though he said he lost his wife 3 years ago.....we parted and I wished him well and for serving this country.
Peace*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)0 -
Fantastic to hear he has had such a long and evidently healthy life after participating in a most horrific war. Whatever about the Germans, fighting the Japanese must have been an incredibly traumatic experience. I envy you your opportunity to express your gratitude to such a mang under p said:After finishing up a meeting this morning a member (customer) came up to me to ask if we had any cabinets. I told him no but I could be wrong in that our store is coming into season and constant change. Anyway this man could talk even though we apparently didn't have what he was looking for. He went on to speak with me and another manager about his participation in WWII. so while he's talking I looked him over in that I'm also a nurse who cares for a WWII vet who is 91. This man had to be 90+ However, he looked no more than 80. I had to ask him how old he was and showed his Army vet ID card and he was also 91. He said he fought in the Pacific for 6 months.
He made me smile not because he loved to crack jokes for the 15 minutes we spoke by I kept thinking if I ever lived to be 90 I liked to be in as apparent good shape as that guy. I hope he's not alone though he said he lost his wife 3 years ago.....we parted and I wished him well and for serving this country.
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Don't mean to jump into a post, but it sounds like this is a discussion about books re: WWII.mcgruff10 said:jnimhaoileoin said:
I've read China Marine so kinda doing things backwards with Sledge. Read Robert Leckie's Helmet for My Pillow before thatmcgruff10 said:
Dude "with the old breedjnimhaoileoin said:
It's on my listmcgruff10 said:
Ambrose is my favorite author. Read the victors next.jnimhaoileoin said:So I've been reading a brilliant book by Stephen Ambrose called 'Citizen Soldiers'. He gives fantastic accounts from frontline soldiers on both sides and there are some great stories, so I thought I might share a couple with ye that made an impression on me (however small an event)...
Even in the bloody chaos of Falaise, a humane spirit could come over these young men so far from home. Lt. Hans-Heinrich Dibbern, of Panzer Grenadier Regiment 902, set up a roadblock outside Argenten. "From the direction of the American line came an ambulance driving towards us", he remembered. "The driver was obviously lost. When he noticed that he was behind German lines, he slammed on the brakes." Dibbern went to the ambulance. "The driver's face was completely white. He had wounded men he was responsible for. But we told him, 'back out of here and get going - we don't attack the Red Cross'. He quickly disappeared."
An hour or so later, "here comes another Red Cross truck. It pulls up right in front of us. The driver got out, opened the back and took out a crate. He set it down on the street and drove away. We feared a bomb, but nothing happened and we were curious. We opened the box and it was filled with Chesterfield cigarettes."
- Hans-Heinrich Dibbern interview by Hugh Ambrose Have Pegasus Bridge and requested D-Day from the library today. Next up for me is Eugene Sledge 'With the Old Breed' though
" is amazing. You won't be able to
Put it down. If you want a cool Vietnam read try "the things we carried".
Think I'll stick with WWII for now, I have much to learn
You have to read about the russian/ German front. Try the author Anthony beevor: Stalingrad or the fall of Berlin 1945. Both books are amazing!jnimhaoileoin said:
I've read China Marine so kinda doing things backwards with Sledge. Read Robert Leckie's Helmet for My Pillow before thatmcgruff10 said:
Dude "with the old breedjnimhaoileoin said:
It's on my listmcgruff10 said:
Ambrose is my favorite author. Read the victors next.jnimhaoileoin said:So I've been reading a brilliant book by Stephen Ambrose called 'Citizen Soldiers'. He gives fantastic accounts from frontline soldiers on both sides and there are some great stories, so I thought I might share a couple with ye that made an impression on me (however small an event)...
Even in the bloody chaos of Falaise, a humane spirit could come over these young men so far from home. Lt. Hans-Heinrich Dibbern, of Panzer Grenadier Regiment 902, set up a roadblock outside Argenten. "From the direction of the American line came an ambulance driving towards us", he remembered. "The driver was obviously lost. When he noticed that he was behind German lines, he slammed on the brakes." Dibbern went to the ambulance. "The driver's face was completely white. He had wounded men he was responsible for. But we told him, 'back out of here and get going - we don't attack the Red Cross'. He quickly disappeared."
An hour or so later, "here comes another Red Cross truck. It pulls up right in front of us. The driver got out, opened the back and took out a crate. He set it down on the street and drove away. We feared a bomb, but nothing happened and we were curious. We opened the box and it was filled with Chesterfield cigarettes."
- Hans-Heinrich Dibbern interview by Hugh Ambrose Have Pegasus Bridge and requested D-Day from the library today. Next up for me is Eugene Sledge 'With the Old Breed' though
" is amazing. You won't be able to
Put it down. If you want a cool Vietnam read try "the things we carried".
Think I'll stick with WWII for now, I have much to learn
For those catching up with the war and learning, I'd recommend "A Short History of WWII" by James Stokesbury. Think of it as a survey course on the war. It's a good read and keeps things at the high level which is necessary when talking about all the theaters.
For those that like the Eastern Front, I would HIGHLY recommend City of Thieves by David Benioff. You may recognize the name as co-Creator of Game of Thrones, but this is the true story of his grandfather's ordeal as a Russian young man in Leningrad, I believe. Maybe Stalingrad. It reads like a novel but unbelievably riveting.Post edited by mrussel1 on0 -
Feel free to jumpmrussel1 said:
Don't mean to jump into a post, but it sounds like this is a discussion about books re: WWII.mcgruff10 said:jnimhaoileoin said:
I've read China Marine so kinda doing things backwards with Sledge. Read Robert Leckie's Helmet for My Pillow before thatmcgruff10 said:
Dude "with the old breedjnimhaoileoin said:
It's on my listmcgruff10 said:
Ambrose is my favorite author. Read the victors next.jnimhaoileoin said:So I've been reading a brilliant book by Stephen Ambrose called 'Citizen Soldiers'. He gives fantastic accounts from frontline soldiers on both sides and there are some great stories, so I thought I might share a couple with ye that made an impression on me (however small an event)...
Even in the bloody chaos of Falaise, a humane spirit could come over these young men so far from home. Lt. Hans-Heinrich Dibbern, of Panzer Grenadier Regiment 902, set up a roadblock outside Argenten. "From the direction of the American line came an ambulance driving towards us", he remembered. "The driver was obviously lost. When he noticed that he was behind German lines, he slammed on the brakes." Dibbern went to the ambulance. "The driver's face was completely white. He had wounded men he was responsible for. But we told him, 'back out of here and get going - we don't attack the Red Cross'. He quickly disappeared."
An hour or so later, "here comes another Red Cross truck. It pulls up right in front of us. The driver got out, opened the back and took out a crate. He set it down on the street and drove away. We feared a bomb, but nothing happened and we were curious. We opened the box and it was filled with Chesterfield cigarettes."
- Hans-Heinrich Dibbern interview by Hugh Ambrose Have Pegasus Bridge and requested D-Day from the library today. Next up for me is Eugene Sledge 'With the Old Breed' though
" is amazing. You won't be able to
Put it down. If you want a cool Vietnam read try "the things we carried".
Think I'll stick with WWII for now, I have much to learn
You have to read about the russian/ German front. Try the author Anthony beevor: Stalingrad or the fall of Berlin 1945. Both books are amazing!jnimhaoileoin said:
I've read China Marine so kinda doing things backwards with Sledge. Read Robert Leckie's Helmet for My Pillow before thatmcgruff10 said:
Dude "with the old breedjnimhaoileoin said:
It's on my listmcgruff10 said:
Ambrose is my favorite author. Read the victors next.jnimhaoileoin said:So I've been reading a brilliant book by Stephen Ambrose called 'Citizen Soldiers'. He gives fantastic accounts from frontline soldiers on both sides and there are some great stories, so I thought I might share a couple with ye that made an impression on me (however small an event)...
Even in the bloody chaos of Falaise, a humane spirit could come over these young men so far from home. Lt. Hans-Heinrich Dibbern, of Panzer Grenadier Regiment 902, set up a roadblock outside Argenten. "From the direction of the American line came an ambulance driving towards us", he remembered. "The driver was obviously lost. When he noticed that he was behind German lines, he slammed on the brakes." Dibbern went to the ambulance. "The driver's face was completely white. He had wounded men he was responsible for. But we told him, 'back out of here and get going - we don't attack the Red Cross'. He quickly disappeared."
An hour or so later, "here comes another Red Cross truck. It pulls up right in front of us. The driver got out, opened the back and took out a crate. He set it down on the street and drove away. We feared a bomb, but nothing happened and we were curious. We opened the box and it was filled with Chesterfield cigarettes."
- Hans-Heinrich Dibbern interview by Hugh Ambrose Have Pegasus Bridge and requested D-Day from the library today. Next up for me is Eugene Sledge 'With the Old Breed' though
" is amazing. You won't be able to
Put it down. If you want a cool Vietnam read try "the things we carried".
Think I'll stick with WWII for now, I have much to learn
For those catching up with the war and learning, I'd recommend "A Short History of WWII" by James Stokesbury. Think of it as a survey course on the war. It's a good read and keeps things at the high level which is necessary when talking about all the theaters.
For those that like the Eastern Front, I would HIGHLY recommend City of Thieves by David Benioff. You may recognize the name as co-Creator of Game of Thrones, but this is the true story of his grandfather's ordeal as a Russian sniper/soldier. It reads like a novel but unbelievably riveting. I started this thread as a general discussion on WWII 0 -
He's STILL Driving and complained those down here in S Florida who apparently can't drive. He was one cool captivating guy.jnimhaoileoin said:
Fantastic to hear he has had such a long and evidently healthy life after participating in a most horrific war. Whatever about the Germans, fighting the Japanese must have been an incredibly traumatic experience. I envy you your opportunity to express your gratitude to such a mang under p said:After finishing up a meeting this morning a member (customer) came up to me to ask if we had any cabinets. I told him no but I could be wrong in that our store is coming into season and constant change. Anyway this man could talk even though we apparently didn't have what he was looking for. He went on to speak with me and another manager about his participation in WWII. so while he's talking I looked him over in that I'm also a nurse who cares for a WWII vet who is 91. This man had to be 90+ However, he looked no more than 80. I had to ask him how old he was and showed his Army vet ID card and he was also 91. He said he fought in the Pacific for 6 months.
He made me smile not because he loved to crack jokes for the 15 minutes we spoke by I kept thinking if I ever lived to be 90 I liked to be in as apparent good shape as that guy. I hope he's not alone though he said he lost his wife 3 years ago.....we parted and I wished him well and for serving this country.
Peace
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)0 -
Both of my uncles served. One was in 99th infantry and was captured at the Battle of the Bulge. He spent the rest of the war wasting away and almost freezing to death in a German stalag. Ironically it was Stalag 13, which some may remember as the same as Hogan's Heroes. That show annoyed him because he said they never mixed nationalities in prison.
My other uncle was an island hopper in the Marines. He was in Tarawa, Enewetak and others. Tarawa was one of the most notorious of course. My dad (who fought in Korea and was much younger) said that they received a visit from the Marines that Georgie died in Saipan. Well he didn't, it was mistake and they didn't find out for months later. Obviously traumatic for the family.
They both lived into the late 1990's so I got to hear lots of stories growing up. In fact, I wrote an extensive documentary and interview with my Uncle Mike (European theater) while pursuing my history degree and it's in the Florida Historical society museum.
I remember at my dad's funeral in 1994 (the after 'party'). My uncles were there along with a neighbor who was in the Polish undergrounds. They spent four hours arguing who had it worse, and that the others were a bunch of pussies. It was hysterical but so memorable to hear the stories.0 -
Awesome stories guys!!!!!I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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I love hearing all the stories and book recommendations. I think I talked about reading KZ, the "definitive" book about concentration camps. Really good, but dense and kind of overwhelming. It led me to a wonderful book called A Lucky Child by Thomas Buergenthal who survived Auschwitz (as a kid) and ended up working as a judge at the International Court of Justice in The Hague.0
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What s this KZ book you talk of?Enkidu said:I love hearing all the stories and book recommendations. I think I talked about reading KZ, the "definitive" book about concentration camps. Really good, but dense and kind of overwhelming. It led me to a wonderful book called A Lucky Child by Thomas Buergenthal who survived Auschwitz (as a kid) and ended up working as a judge at the International Court of Justice in The Hague.
I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Whoops, I meant KL. Here's the link. (I just reread Fatherland by Robert Harris and he uses KZ for concentration camps, whoops.) http://www.amazon.com/KL-History-Nazi-Concentration-Camps/dp/0374118256/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1446841545&sr=8-1-fkmr2&keywords=kz+history+of+concentration+camps0
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wow that looks awesome! right now i'm reading a book about the battle of kursk. i'll be buying that book next! thanks bud.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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Fatherland... what a fascinating premise and great book. HBO did a move with Rutger Hauer. It was okay. Maybe it was very good, but it paled against the book.Enkidu said:Whoops, I meant KL. Here's the link. (I just reread Fatherland by Robert Harris and he uses KZ for concentration camps, whoops.) http://www.amazon.com/KL-History-Nazi-Concentration-Camps/dp/0374118256/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1446841545&sr=8-1-fkmr2&keywords=kz+history+of+concentration+camps
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Fatherland is just an awesome book. It's fiction, it's a mystery/thriller, but he's such a good writer and knows his stuff. A simple, but chilling premise - what if Hitler had won the war?mrussel1 said:
Fatherland... what a fascinating premise and great book. HBO did a move with Rutger Hauer. It was okay. Maybe it was very good, but it paled against the book.Enkidu said:Whoops, I meant KL. Here's the link. (I just reread Fatherland by Robert Harris and he uses KZ for concentration camps, whoops.) http://www.amazon.com/KL-History-Nazi-Concentration-Camps/dp/0374118256/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1446841545&sr=8-1-fkmr2&keywords=kz+history+of+concentration+camps
Agree - the movie was okay, but the book is great.0 -
I went on a Robert Harris binge a few years ago. I read the Cicero novels, Imperium, Conspirata, and there was one more that escapes me. They were very, very good. If you haven't read, definitely pick them up.Enkidu said:
Fatherland is just an awesome book. It's fiction, it's a mystery/thriller, but he's such a good writer and knows his stuff. A simple, but chilling premise - what if Hitler had won the war?mrussel1 said:
Fatherland... what a fascinating premise and great book. HBO did a move with Rutger Hauer. It was okay. Maybe it was very good, but it paled against the book.Enkidu said:Whoops, I meant KL. Here's the link. (I just reread Fatherland by Robert Harris and he uses KZ for concentration camps, whoops.) http://www.amazon.com/KL-History-Nazi-Concentration-Camps/dp/0374118256/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1446841545&sr=8-1-fkmr2&keywords=kz+history+of+concentration+camps
Agree - the movie was okay, but the book is great.0 -
Glad to hear your uncles lived to ripe old agesmrussel1 said:Both of my uncles served. One was in 99th infantry and was captured at the Battle of the Bulge. He spent the rest of the war wasting away and almost freezing to death in a German stalag. Ironically it was Stalag 13, which some may remember as the same as Hogan's Heroes. That show annoyed him because he said they never mixed nationalities in prison.
My other uncle was an island hopper in the Marines. He was in Tarawa, Enewetak and others. Tarawa was one of the most notorious of course. My dad (who fought in Korea and was much younger) said that they received a visit from the Marines that Georgie died in Saipan. Well he didn't, it was mistake and they didn't find out for months later. Obviously traumatic for the family.
They both lived into the late 1990's so I got to hear lots of stories growing up. In fact, I wrote an extensive documentary and interview with my Uncle Mike (European theater) while pursuing my history degree and it's in the Florida Historical society museum.
I remember at my dad's funeral in 1994 (the after 'party'). My uncles were there along with a neighbor who was in the Polish undergrounds. They spent four hours arguing who had it worse, and that the others were a bunch of pussies. It was hysterical but so memorable to hear the stories. Wonderful that you recorded their stories for your degree too, I'm so grateful now to all the historians like Ambrose who spoke to veterans and recorded first hand accounts of the war 0 -
Thanks! They led full lives. And Ambrose was a tremendous mainstream historian. Did a great job of popularizing what many feel is a dry subject. Doris Kearns Goodwin is in the same camp.0
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