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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    pjhawks said:

    callen said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    callen said:

    pjhawks said:

    callen said:

    pjhawks said:

    callen said:

    rr165892 said:

    Cal,all based on the numbers in the Philly paper story.

    To be honest didn't even read it. The whole black on black crime and they need to take care if their own before talking of others just reeks to me.

    Peace.
    wait so you are ripping on me for posting the article with stats and you didn't even read it? come on man. that's weak
    So what message did you receive from article?
    that black on black crime is a huge problem that is not being adequately addressed. it's not about talking points and slogans but about facts
    Again it's not black on black crime it's poor uneducated humans born into a shit life crime against poor uneducated humans born into a shit life.

    The term "black on black crime" is used by humans that have need to feel superior. But they aren't, just lucky mofo's.



    And why don't we discuss solutions? How do make this situation better?

    Education, jobs, hope. None of this exists for many.
    Things are tough so I'm going to kill someone?

    Is this ultimately what you are saying?
    Not saying that at all.

    We are all products of our environment. It's not a race thing. Affluent blacks living in nice areas if the country don't have kids that do crime as thise in poor projects. So I'm dying blaming it on race is wrong and incorrect. Hence my strong opposition of comments made after story was presented and those got in the black on black crime chant.
    i don't think anyone is disagreeing on the cause...but when you put down on a file the race of the victim and the race of the perpratraitor the numbers ultimately fall at much greater proportions to both being black. those are facts that are indisputable.
    But the race isn't the contributing factor so why bring it up?
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Find it distasteful for humans born and raised in decent neighborhoods with decent family support systems to look down at another subgroup and say...."just do better, be responsible".

    Demonstrates ignorance and insecurities. Everyone is the product of their environment. No one is special or more virtuous. Just more fortunate not have been born in a really bad situation.

    So you can either point and shout and snicker and profess your self perceived superiority or you can look at the reasons things are the way they are and address how we as a society can do better.

    Unfortunately the satisfaction of putting others down is to strong.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    callen said:

    Find it distasteful for humans born and raised in decent neighborhoods with decent family support systems to look down at another subgroup and say...."just do better, be responsible".

    Demonstrates ignorance and insecurities. Everyone is the product of their environment. No one is special or more virtuous. Just more fortunate not have been born in a really bad situation.

    So you can either point and shout and snicker and profess your self perceived superiority or you can look at the reasons things are the way they are and address how we as a society can do better.

    Unfortunately the satisfaction of putting others down is to strong.

    Is mainstream society completely responsible for the 'black on black' crime that's being dissected at the moment?

    Is society responsible for the fact that two thirds of young black children are raised by single parents?

    http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by#detailed/1/any/false/36,868,867,133,38/10,168,9,12,1,13,185/432,431
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,913
    callen said:

    Find it distasteful for humans born and raised in decent neighborhoods with decent family support systems to look down at another subgroup and say...."just do better, be responsible".

    Demonstrates ignorance and insecurities. Everyone is the product of their environment. No one is special or more virtuous. Just more fortunate not have been born in a really bad situation.

    So you can either point and shout and snicker and profess your self perceived superiority or you can look at the reasons things are the way they are and address how we as a society can do better.

    Unfortunately the satisfaction of putting others down is to strong.

    i find it extremely distasteful for you to suggest i am getting satisfaction of putting others down. frankly sir YOU ARE the only one who is putting people down. i referenced an article with facts. you are throwing labels on people out there.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    callen said:

    Find it distasteful for humans born and raised in decent neighborhoods with decent family support systems to look down at another subgroup and say...."just do better, be responsible".

    Demonstrates ignorance and insecurities. Everyone is the product of their environment. No one is special or more virtuous. Just more fortunate not have been born in a really bad situation.

    So you can either point and shout and snicker and profess your self perceived superiority or you can look at the reasons things are the way they are and address how we as a society can do better.

    Unfortunately the satisfaction of putting others down is to strong.

    Is mainstream society completely responsible for the 'black on black' crime that's being dissected at the moment?

    Is society responsible for the fact that two thirds of young black children are raised by single parents?

    http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by#detailed/1/any/false/36,868,867,133,38/10,168,9,12,1,13,185/432,431
    Your stat and link do nothing to counter my argument and your not understanding or not wanting to.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    pjhawks said:

    callen said:

    Find it distasteful for humans born and raised in decent neighborhoods with decent family support systems to look down at another subgroup and say...."just do better, be responsible".

    Demonstrates ignorance and insecurities. Everyone is the product of their environment. No one is special or more virtuous. Just more fortunate not have been born in a really bad situation.

    So you can either point and shout and snicker and profess your self perceived superiority or you can look at the reasons things are the way they are and address how we as a society can do better.

    Unfortunately the satisfaction of putting others down is to strong.

    i find it extremely distasteful for you to suggest i am getting satisfaction of putting others down. frankly sir YOU ARE the only one who is putting people down. i referenced an article with facts. you are throwing labels on people out there.
    Your facts and article don't counter my argument. And believe as you will.



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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    callen said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    callen said:

    Find it distasteful for humans born and raised in decent neighborhoods with decent family support systems to look down at another subgroup and say...."just do better, be responsible".

    Demonstrates ignorance and insecurities. Everyone is the product of their environment. No one is special or more virtuous. Just more fortunate not have been born in a really bad situation.

    So you can either point and shout and snicker and profess your self perceived superiority or you can look at the reasons things are the way they are and address how we as a society can do better.

    Unfortunately the satisfaction of putting others down is to strong.

    Is mainstream society completely responsible for the 'black on black' crime that's being dissected at the moment?

    Is society responsible for the fact that two thirds of young black children are raised by single parents?

    http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by#detailed/1/any/false/36,868,867,133,38/10,168,9,12,1,13,185/432,431
    Your stat and link do nothing to counter my argument and your not understanding or not wanting to.
    So you don't care to answer the question I posed to you? Did you even bother to look at the data (you sometimes don't)?

    I, and everyone else, fully understand what you are saying. The problem is... you have oversimplified the situation and consistently fail to acknowledge other variables that may or may not contribute to the epidemic.

    It's just not as simple as you would like to suggest it is.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    My point has nothing to do with stats.

    So please explain how and why we have so much crime and death in our poor inner cities?

    Ah we're getting somewhere now.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    pjhawks said:

    callen said:

    pjhawks said:

    callen said:

    Think it's a cop out to say "hey if they just tried harder", Then feel free to bash the folks that have shit environment. Realize it makes one feel all warm and fuzzy but it's shit. The whole black on black crime rant is racism. We're all humans. We are all products of our environment.

    you really don't have to work very hard NOT to murder someone or commit a violent crime. not everyone in 'shit environments' as you label them does those things. We are all humans...some of us just treat other humans better than others.
    The haves have not a fkn clue.

    You aren't special. If you were born in that environment you would react the same.
    they how do you explain those born in that environment that don't act the same? please enlighten us.

    and I am special.
    You are focusing on the wrong thing. Of course not every person who grows up in that environment is that kind of criminal. The majority of them aren't. But pretty much every single person who is that kind of criminal did grow up in that kind of environment, and that is the stat that matters. For your point to make any sense, some of them would have to be the products of a more privileged environment, and that is obviously not the case.
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  • muskydan
    muskydan Posts: 1,013
    callen said:

    My point has nothing to do with stats.

    So please explain how and why we have so much crime and death in our poor inner cities?

    Ah we're getting somewhere now.

    I will take that one...lack of personal responsibility and impulse control is a start.
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    muskydan said:

    callen said:

    My point has nothing to do with stats.

    So please explain how and why we have so much crime and death in our poor inner cities?

    Ah we're getting somewhere now.

    I will take that one...lack of personal responsibility and impulse control is a start.
    It goes deeper than that -- for instance, why are these impulses that cannot be controlled often violent ones and why is personal responsibility shrugged off?

    Keep asking why, and we might find an answer -- or at least some semblance of understanding and compassion.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    muskydan said:

    callen said:

    My point has nothing to do with stats.

    So please explain how and why we have so much crime and death in our poor inner cities?

    Ah we're getting somewhere now.

    I will take that one...lack of personal responsibility and impulse control is a start.
    Do you feel it's a trait for race or environmental?
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    callen said:

    Find it distasteful for humans born and raised in decent neighborhoods with decent family support systems to look down at another subgroup and say...."just do better, be responsible".

    Demonstrates ignorance and insecurities. Everyone is the product of their environment. No one is special or more virtuous. Just more fortunate not have been born in a really bad situation.

    So you can either point and shout and snicker and profess your self perceived superiority or you can look at the reasons things are the way they are and address how we as a society can do better.

    Unfortunately the satisfaction of putting others down is to strong.

    Is mainstream society completely responsible for the 'black on black' crime that's being dissected at the moment?

    Is society responsible for the fact that two thirds of young black children are raised by single parents?

    http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by#detailed/1/any/false/36,868,867,133,38/10,168,9,12,1,13,185/432,431
    Callen...

    I see you're asking questions of people. Did you care to take a stab at this question I've posed to you for the third time?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    callen said:

    pjhawks said:

    callen said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    callen said:

    pjhawks said:

    callen said:

    pjhawks said:

    callen said:

    rr165892 said:

    Cal,all based on the numbers in the Philly paper story.

    To be honest didn't even read it. The whole black on black crime and they need to take care if their own before talking of others just reeks to me.

    Peace.
    wait so you are ripping on me for posting the article with stats and you didn't even read it? come on man. that's weak
    So what message did you receive from article?
    that black on black crime is a huge problem that is not being adequately addressed. it's not about talking points and slogans but about facts
    Again it's not black on black crime it's poor uneducated humans born into a shit life crime against poor uneducated humans born into a shit life.

    The term "black on black crime" is used by humans that have need to feel superior. But they aren't, just lucky mofo's.



    And why don't we discuss solutions? How do make this situation better?

    Education, jobs, hope. None of this exists for many.
    Things are tough so I'm going to kill someone?

    Is this ultimately what you are saying?
    Not saying that at all.

    We are all products of our environment. It's not a race thing. Affluent blacks living in nice areas if the country don't have kids that do crime as thise in poor projects. So I'm dying blaming it on race is wrong and incorrect. Hence my strong opposition of comments made after story was presented and those got in the black on black crime chant.
    i don't think anyone is disagreeing on the cause...but when you put down on a file the race of the victim and the race of the perpratraitor the numbers ultimately fall at much greater proportions to both being black. those are facts that are indisputable.
    But the race isn't the contributing factor so why bring it up?
    this is precisely it.

    it's not black on black crime. it's poor person on poor person crime. race is irrelevant, and it is part of the roadblock to solving the issue. there are poor neighbourhoods in every big city. some are predominantly black, some are predominantly white, some are aboriginal (as is the case in my city).

    I find that racism is the biggest roadblock to getting the issue solved. "if those lazy fucking indians would just get off their asses and get a job" is the usual one I hear, even from friends, co workers, and family. it's disgusting. that's why it doesn't get the support from the public that it should in addressing it. they don't get it that being oppressed for generations is not something you can just "get over". all of society needs to contribute to the solution, otherwise, politicians won't get behind it to affect actual positive change.

    we need to stop talking about race and solve the actual issue.

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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    callen said:

    pjhawks said:

    callen said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    callen said:

    pjhawks said:

    callen said:

    pjhawks said:

    callen said:

    rr165892 said:

    Cal,all based on the numbers in the Philly paper story.

    To be honest didn't even read it. The whole black on black crime and they need to take care if their own before talking of others just reeks to me.

    Peace.
    wait so you are ripping on me for posting the article with stats and you didn't even read it? come on man. that's weak
    So what message did you receive from article?
    that black on black crime is a huge problem that is not being adequately addressed. it's not about talking points and slogans but about facts
    Again it's not black on black crime it's poor uneducated humans born into a shit life crime against poor uneducated humans born into a shit life.

    The term "black on black crime" is used by humans that have need to feel superior. But they aren't, just lucky mofo's.



    And why don't we discuss solutions? How do make this situation better?

    Education, jobs, hope. None of this exists for many.
    Things are tough so I'm going to kill someone?

    Is this ultimately what you are saying?
    Not saying that at all.

    We are all products of our environment. It's not a race thing. Affluent blacks living in nice areas if the country don't have kids that do crime as thise in poor projects. So I'm dying blaming it on race is wrong and incorrect. Hence my strong opposition of comments made after story was presented and those got in the black on black crime chant.
    i don't think anyone is disagreeing on the cause...but when you put down on a file the race of the victim and the race of the perpratraitor the numbers ultimately fall at much greater proportions to both being black. those are facts that are indisputable.
    But the race isn't the contributing factor so why bring it up?
    this is precisely it.

    it's not black on black crime. it's poor person on poor person crime. race is irrelevant, and it is part of the roadblock to solving the issue. there are poor neighbourhoods in every big city. some are predominantly black, some are predominantly white, some are aboriginal (as is the case in my city).

    I find that racism is the biggest roadblock to getting the issue solved. "if those lazy fucking indians would just get off their asses and get a job" is the usual one I hear, even from friends, co workers, and family. it's disgusting. that's why it doesn't get the support from the public that it should in addressing it. they don't get it that being oppressed for generations is not something you can just "get over". all of society needs to contribute to the solution, otherwise, politicians won't get behind it to affect actual positive change.

    we need to stop talking about race and solve the actual issue.

    I agree with much of what you say here, but I do think that cultural aspects are talking points in a discussion such as this.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    callen said:

    pjhawks said:

    callen said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    callen said:

    pjhawks said:

    callen said:

    pjhawks said:

    callen said:

    rr165892 said:

    Cal,all based on the numbers in the Philly paper story.

    To be honest didn't even read it. The whole black on black crime and they need to take care if their own before talking of others just reeks to me.

    Peace.
    wait so you are ripping on me for posting the article with stats and you didn't even read it? come on man. that's weak
    So what message did you receive from article?
    that black on black crime is a huge problem that is not being adequately addressed. it's not about talking points and slogans but about facts
    Again it's not black on black crime it's poor uneducated humans born into a shit life crime against poor uneducated humans born into a shit life.

    The term "black on black crime" is used by humans that have need to feel superior. But they aren't, just lucky mofo's.



    And why don't we discuss solutions? How do make this situation better?

    Education, jobs, hope. None of this exists for many.
    Things are tough so I'm going to kill someone?

    Is this ultimately what you are saying?
    Not saying that at all.

    We are all products of our environment. It's not a race thing. Affluent blacks living in nice areas if the country don't have kids that do crime as thise in poor projects. So I'm dying blaming it on race is wrong and incorrect. Hence my strong opposition of comments made after story was presented and those got in the black on black crime chant.
    i don't think anyone is disagreeing on the cause...but when you put down on a file the race of the victim and the race of the perpratraitor the numbers ultimately fall at much greater proportions to both being black. those are facts that are indisputable.
    But the race isn't the contributing factor so why bring it up?
    this is precisely it.

    it's not black on black crime. it's poor person on poor person crime. race is irrelevant, and it is part of the roadblock to solving the issue. there are poor neighbourhoods in every big city. some are predominantly black, some are predominantly white, some are aboriginal (as is the case in my city).

    I find that racism is the biggest roadblock to getting the issue solved. "if those lazy fucking indians would just get off their asses and get a job" is the usual one I hear, even from friends, co workers, and family. it's disgusting. that's why it doesn't get the support from the public that it should in addressing it. they don't get it that being oppressed for generations is not something you can just "get over". all of society needs to contribute to the solution, otherwise, politicians won't get behind it to affect actual positive change.

    we need to stop talking about race and solve the actual issue.

    I agree with much of what you say here, but I do think that cultural aspects are talking points in a discussion such as this.
    can you clarify what you mean by "cultural aspects"?

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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    callen said:

    pjhawks said:

    callen said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    callen said:

    pjhawks said:

    callen said:

    pjhawks said:

    callen said:

    rr165892 said:

    Cal,all based on the numbers in the Philly paper story.

    To be honest didn't even read it. The whole black on black crime and they need to take care if their own before talking of others just reeks to me.

    Peace.
    wait so you are ripping on me for posting the article with stats and you didn't even read it? come on man. that's weak
    So what message did you receive from article?
    that black on black crime is a huge problem that is not being adequately addressed. it's not about talking points and slogans but about facts
    Again it's not black on black crime it's poor uneducated humans born into a shit life crime against poor uneducated humans born into a shit life.

    The term "black on black crime" is used by humans that have need to feel superior. But they aren't, just lucky mofo's.



    And why don't we discuss solutions? How do make this situation better?

    Education, jobs, hope. None of this exists for many.
    Things are tough so I'm going to kill someone?

    Is this ultimately what you are saying?
    Not saying that at all.

    We are all products of our environment. It's not a race thing. Affluent blacks living in nice areas if the country don't have kids that do crime as thise in poor projects. So I'm dying blaming it on race is wrong and incorrect. Hence my strong opposition of comments made after story was presented and those got in the black on black crime chant.
    i don't think anyone is disagreeing on the cause...but when you put down on a file the race of the victim and the race of the perpratraitor the numbers ultimately fall at much greater proportions to both being black. those are facts that are indisputable.
    But the race isn't the contributing factor so why bring it up?
    this is precisely it.

    it's not black on black crime. it's poor person on poor person crime. race is irrelevant, and it is part of the roadblock to solving the issue. there are poor neighbourhoods in every big city. some are predominantly black, some are predominantly white, some are aboriginal (as is the case in my city).

    I find that racism is the biggest roadblock to getting the issue solved. "if those lazy fucking indians would just get off their asses and get a job" is the usual one I hear, even from friends, co workers, and family. it's disgusting. that's why it doesn't get the support from the public that it should in addressing it. they don't get it that being oppressed for generations is not something you can just "get over". all of society needs to contribute to the solution, otherwise, politicians won't get behind it to affect actual positive change.

    we need to stop talking about race and solve the actual issue.

    I agree with much of what you say here, but I do think that cultural aspects are talking points in a discussion such as this.
    can you clarify what you mean by "cultural aspects"?

    Sure.

    You used the First Nations people in your example. Their culture differs in that they don't engage in the rat race as much as the European Canadian (I wasn't sure how to express a Canadian citizen not of First Nation descent). From what I have come to know of First Nation people... many seek harmony with the earth. As much as I can appreciate that and be envious of it to some degree... it places some First Nation people in a precarious position relevant to economical prosperity.

    Further... their culture is one that carries- for good reason- a high level of distrust for white people. This distrust manifests itself in many ways that limit engagement with mainstream society.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    callen said:

    Find it distasteful for humans born and raised in decent neighborhoods with decent family support systems to look down at another subgroup and say...."just do better, be responsible".

    Demonstrates ignorance and insecurities. Everyone is the product of their environment. No one is special or more virtuous. Just more fortunate not have been born in a really bad situation.

    So you can either point and shout and snicker and profess your self perceived superiority or you can look at the reasons things are the way they are and address how we as a society can do better.

    Unfortunately the satisfaction of putting others down is to strong.

    Is mainstream society completely responsible for the 'black on black' crime that's being dissected at the moment?

    Is society responsible for the fact that two thirds of young black children are raised by single parents?

    http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by#detailed/1/any/false/36,868,867,133,38/10,168,9,12,1,13,185/432,431
    Callen...

    I see you're asking questions of people. Did you care to take a stab at this question I've posed to you for the third time?
    I've addressed this from my first post over and over again.

    Yes violence is byproduct of our society.

    Income distribution
    Corporate profit.
    Education
    Racism
    On and on and on.

    And dont put words in my mouth. If you do crime you do time, has to be that way but how do we make things better?

    Thirty you are the product of your environment and Birth. You are not special or smart or enlightened. Just lucky mofo as am I. For you to say "hey you guys Do good" is being simplistic. I know it feels good to point fingers and comforting but your no better than any other human.

    The whole mentality of Blacks need to stop killing blacks is moronic and racist. It's humans killing humans.

    Will say that cops do get short end if the stick in dealing with crime as we rely on them to manage our social failures



    Remember folks we are debating, don't get your panties in a wad. I know my posts are provocative

    . Thirty I know you know...
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    callen said:

    pjhawks said:

    callen said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    callen said:

    pjhawks said:

    callen said:

    pjhawks said:

    callen said:

    rr165892 said:

    Cal,all based on the numbers in the Philly paper story.

    To be honest didn't even read it. The whole black on black crime and they need to take care if their own before talking of others just reeks to me.

    Peace.
    wait so you are ripping on me for posting the article with stats and you didn't even read it? come on man. that's weak
    So what message did you receive from article?
    that black on black crime is a huge problem that is not being adequately addressed. it's not about talking points and slogans but about facts
    Again it's not black on black crime it's poor uneducated humans born into a shit life crime against poor uneducated humans born into a shit life.

    The term "black on black crime" is used by humans that have need to feel superior. But they aren't, just lucky mofo's.



    And why don't we discuss solutions? How do make this situation better?

    Education, jobs, hope. None of this exists for many.
    Things are tough so I'm going to kill someone?

    Is this ultimately what you are saying?
    Not saying that at all.

    We are all products of our environment. It's not a race thing. Affluent blacks living in nice areas if the country don't have kids that do crime as thise in poor projects. So I'm dying blaming it on race is wrong and incorrect. Hence my strong opposition of comments made after story was presented and those got in the black on black crime chant.
    i don't think anyone is disagreeing on the cause...but when you put down on a file the race of the victim and the race of the perpratraitor the numbers ultimately fall at much greater proportions to both being black. those are facts that are indisputable.
    But the race isn't the contributing factor so why bring it up?
    this is precisely it.

    it's not black on black crime. it's poor person on poor person crime. race is irrelevant, and it is part of the roadblock to solving the issue. there are poor neighbourhoods in every big city. some are predominantly black, some are predominantly white, some are aboriginal (as is the case in my city).

    I find that racism is the biggest roadblock to getting the issue solved. "if those lazy fucking indians would just get off their asses and get a job" is the usual one I hear, even from friends, co workers, and family. it's disgusting. that's why it doesn't get the support from the public that it should in addressing it. they don't get it that being oppressed for generations is not something you can just "get over". all of society needs to contribute to the solution, otherwise, politicians won't get behind it to affect actual positive change.

    we need to stop talking about race and solve the actual issue.

    I agree with much of what you say here, but I do think that cultural aspects are talking points in a discussion such as this.
    can you clarify what you mean by "cultural aspects"?

    Sure.

    You used the First Nations people in your example. Their culture differs in that they don't engage in the rat race as much as the European Canadian (I wasn't sure how to express a Canadian citizen not of First Nation descent). From what I have come to know of First Nation people... many seek harmony with the earth. As much as I can appreciate that and be envious of it to some degree... it places some First Nation people in a precarious position relevant to economical prosperity.

    Further... their culture is one that carries- for good reason- a high level of distrust for white people. This distrust manifests itself in many ways that limit engagement with mainstream society.
    it is an incredibly difficult situation, as you said. on one hand, we FORCED them into our way of life, and now we sit back and wonder why they can't succeed, for the most part, at something that goes against their very nature.

    obviously, they can't go back to the way things were for their culturally. so how do we handle it? well, throwing money at it hasn't worked. Duh. I can't for the life of me understand why anyone thought that would work in the first place.

    anyway, I think I may have contributed slightly to this thread being a little derailed, so maybe a new/separate thread on cultural economic disparity should be created.

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    callen said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    callen said:

    Find it distasteful for humans born and raised in decent neighborhoods with decent family support systems to look down at another subgroup and say...."just do better, be responsible".

    Demonstrates ignorance and insecurities. Everyone is the product of their environment. No one is special or more virtuous. Just more fortunate not have been born in a really bad situation.

    So you can either point and shout and snicker and profess your self perceived superiority or you can look at the reasons things are the way they are and address how we as a society can do better.

    Unfortunately the satisfaction of putting others down is to strong.

    Is mainstream society completely responsible for the 'black on black' crime that's being dissected at the moment?

    Is society responsible for the fact that two thirds of young black children are raised by single parents?

    http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by#detailed/1/any/false/36,868,867,133,38/10,168,9,12,1,13,185/432,431
    Callen...

    I see you're asking questions of people. Did you care to take a stab at this question I've posed to you for the third time?
    I've addressed this from my first post over and over again.

    Yes violence is byproduct of our society.

    Income distribution
    Corporate profit.
    Education
    Racism
    On and on and on.

    And dont put words in my mouth. If you do crime you do time, has to be that way but how do we make things better?

    Thirty you are the product of your environment and Birth. You are not special or smart or enlightened. Just lucky mofo as am I. For you to say "hey you guys Do good" is being simplistic. I know it feels good to point fingers and comforting but your no better than any other human.

    The whole mentality of Blacks need to stop killing blacks is moronic and racist. It's humans killing humans.

    Will say that cops do get short end if the stick in dealing with crime as we rely on them to manage our social failures



    Remember folks we are debating, don't get your panties in a wad. I know my posts are provocative

    . Thirty I know you know...
    This question, Callen: Is society responsible for the fact that two thirds of young black children are raised by single parents?

    (source is in my original post)
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