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callen

pjhawks said:

callen said:

pjhawks said:

callen said:

Think it's a cop out to say "hey if they just tried harder", Then feel free to bash the folks that have shit environment. Realize it makes one feel all warm and fuzzy but it's shit. The whole black on black crime rant is racism. We're all humans. We are all products of our environment.

you really don't have to work very hard NOT to murder someone or commit a violent crime. not everyone in 'shit environments' as you label them does those things. We are all humans...some of us just treat other humans better than others.

The haves have not a fkn clue.

You aren't special. If you were born in that environment you would react the same.

they how do you explain those born in that environment that don't act the same? please enlighten us.

and I am special.

Different experiences different results. Even within a subgroup. But overall when you start as a baby in poor projects with no jobs and shitty schools you create what you get.

No you aren't special in any way. One in how many billion? Your parents lied. Your teachers lied. Your just very lucky.

Now when one looks down on a group of people that started life with a shit sand which that makes one cruel.
(Changed to "one" not "you" as I don't want to label, being better).

RR, we had very similar lives. Same generation, race, suburban lives with decent support systems. We were so lucky.


How do we make things better? Labeling and pointing fingers just makes it worse.

callen

rr165892 said:

Cal,all based on the numbers in the Philly paper story.

To be honest didn't even read it. The whole black on black crime and they need to take care if their own before talking of others just reeks to me.

Peace.

rr165892

It actually didn't come off that way.It was a quick and plain summation with some facts.No bias.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

callen said:

rr165892 said:

Cal,all based on the numbers in the Philly paper story.

To be honest didn't even read it. The whole black on black crime and they need to take care if their own before talking of others just reeks to me.

Peace.

How can you ever hope to have a balanced perspective if you ignore items that might speak contrary to your belief system?

pjhawks

callen said:

rr165892 said:

Cal,all based on the numbers in the Philly paper story.

To be honest didn't even read it. The whole black on black crime and they need to take care if their own before talking of others just reeks to me.

Peace.

wait so you are ripping on me for posting the article with stats and you didn't even read it? come on man. that's weak

Indifference71

callen said:

pjhawks said:

callen said:

pjhawks said:

callen said:

Think it's a cop out to say "hey if they just tried harder", Then feel free to bash the folks that have shit environment. Realize it makes one feel all warm and fuzzy but it's shit. The whole black on black crime rant is racism. We're all humans. We are all products of our environment.

you really don't have to work very hard NOT to murder someone or commit a violent crime. not everyone in 'shit environments' as you label them does those things. We are all humans...some of us just treat other humans better than others.

The haves have not a fkn clue.

You aren't special. If you were born in that environment you would react the same.

they how do you explain those born in that environment that don't act the same? please enlighten us.

and I am special.

Different experiences different results. Even within a subgroup. But overall when you start as a baby in poor projects with no jobs and shitty schools you create what you get.

I agree somewhat on the "product of your environment" but at the same time, why is personal responsibility never talked about? Why is there never any discussion about all the deadbeat dads and women who have a bunch of kids with different fathers?? (and I'm not only talking about black communities....this happens in plenty of shitty white communities as well)

When you grow up in a situation with no focus on education and family, things probably aren't going to end up very well for you. Maybe if these kids actually went to school and got the right message at home, these schools wouldn't be so shitty. But hey, let's just keep blaming the system and not hold anyone accountable for their actions.

And yes, go ahead and tell me how lucky I am that I grew up in the suburbs with parents who actually gave a shit.

rgambs

Indifference71 said:

callen said:

pjhawks said:

callen said:

pjhawks said:

callen said:

Think it's a cop out to say "hey if they just tried harder", Then feel free to bash the folks that have shit environment. Realize it makes one feel all warm and fuzzy but it's shit. The whole black on black crime rant is racism. We're all humans. We are all products of our environment.

you really don't have to work very hard NOT to murder someone or commit a violent crime. not everyone in 'shit environments' as you label them does those things. We are all humans...some of us just treat other humans better than others.

The haves have not a fkn clue.

You aren't special. If you were born in that environment you would react the same.

they how do you explain those born in that environment that don't act the same? please enlighten us.

and I am special.

Different experiences different results. Even within a subgroup. But overall when you start as a baby in poor projects with no jobs and shitty schools you create what you get.

I agree somewhat on the "product of your environment" but at the same time, why is personal responsibility never talked about? Why is there never any discussion about all the deadbeat dads and women who have a bunch of kids with different fathers?? (and I'm not only talking about black communities....this happens in plenty of shitty white communities as well)

When you grow up in a situation with no focus on education and family, things probably aren't going to end up very well for you. Maybe if these kids actually went to school and got the right message at home, these schools wouldn't be so shitty. But hey, let's just keep blaming the system and not hold anyone accountable for their actions.

And yes, go ahead and tell me how lucky I am that I grew up in the suburbs with parents who actually gave a shit.

Since when is that not talked about???? Tune in to any media with even a touch of conservative lean and you will hear it allllllllllll day long.

Indifference71

rgambs said:

Indifference71 said:

callen said:

pjhawks said:

callen said:

pjhawks said:

callen said:

Think it's a cop out to say "hey if they just tried harder", Then feel free to bash the folks that have shit environment. Realize it makes one feel all warm and fuzzy but it's shit. The whole black on black crime rant is racism. We're all humans. We are all products of our environment.

you really don't have to work very hard NOT to murder someone or commit a violent crime. not everyone in 'shit environments' as you label them does those things. We are all humans...some of us just treat other humans better than others.

The haves have not a fkn clue.

You aren't special. If you were born in that environment you would react the same.

they how do you explain those born in that environment that don't act the same? please enlighten us.

and I am special.

Different experiences different results. Even within a subgroup. But overall when you start as a baby in poor projects with no jobs and shitty schools you create what you get.

I agree somewhat on the "product of your environment" but at the same time, why is personal responsibility never talked about? Why is there never any discussion about all the deadbeat dads and women who have a bunch of kids with different fathers?? (and I'm not only talking about black communities....this happens in plenty of shitty white communities as well)

When you grow up in a situation with no focus on education and family, things probably aren't going to end up very well for you. Maybe if these kids actually went to school and got the right message at home, these schools wouldn't be so shitty. But hey, let's just keep blaming the system and not hold anyone accountable for their actions.

And yes, go ahead and tell me how lucky I am that I grew up in the suburbs with parents who actually gave a shit.

Since when is that not talked about???? Tune in to any media with even a touch of conservative lean and you will hear it allllllllllll day long.

True. And everyone calls them racist for talking about it. I guess my question should have been why is it not OK to talk about it?

callen

rr165892 said:

It actually didn't come off that way.It was a quick and plain summation with some facts.No bias.

Because I was responding to phrase "Black on Black " crime. And following/driving that debate.

Hell the phrase "personal responsibility" is the same BS.

callen

pjhawks said:

callen said:

rr165892 said:

Cal,all based on the numbers in the Philly paper story.

To be honest didn't even read it. The whole black on black crime and they need to take care if their own before talking of others just reeks to me.

Peace.

wait so you are ripping on me for posting the article with stats and you didn't even read it? come on man. that's weak

PJ, realize it's never personal. Direct yes.

Our discussions are viable, without article. My comments directed at post article comments.

callen

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

callen said:

rr165892 said:

Cal,all based on the numbers in the Philly paper story.

To be honest didn't even read it. The whole black on black crime and they need to take care if their own before talking of others just reeks to me.

Peace.

How can you ever hope to have a balanced perspective if you ignore items that might speak contrary to your belief system?

Cause article regardless if what is was isn't related to my points.

Okay gonna read the damn article.

callen

Okay now upon opening the link I did read it prior to posting. I stand by my posts.

callen

pjhawks said:

callen said:

rr165892 said:

Cal,all based on the numbers in the Philly paper story.

To be honest didn't even read it. The whole black on black crime and they need to take care if their own before talking of others just reeks to me.

Peace.

wait so you are ripping on me for posting the article with stats and you didn't even read it? come on man. that's weak

So what message did you receive from article?

pjhawks

callen said:

pjhawks said:

callen said:

rr165892 said:

Cal,all based on the numbers in the Philly paper story.

To be honest didn't even read it. The whole black on black crime and they need to take care if their own before talking of others just reeks to me.

Peace.

wait so you are ripping on me for posting the article with stats and you didn't even read it? come on man. that's weak

So what message did you receive from article?

that black on black crime is a huge problem that is not being adequately addressed. it's not about talking points and slogans but about facts

callen

pjhawks said:

callen said:

pjhawks said:

callen said:

rr165892 said:

Cal,all based on the numbers in the Philly paper story.

To be honest didn't even read it. The whole black on black crime and they need to take care if their own before talking of others just reeks to me.

Peace.

wait so you are ripping on me for posting the article with stats and you didn't even read it? come on man. that's weak

So what message did you receive from article?

that black on black crime is a huge problem that is not being adequately addressed. it's not about talking points and slogans but about facts

Again it's not black on black crime it's poor uneducated humans born into a shit life crime against poor uneducated humans born into a shit life.

The term "black on black crime" is used by humans that have need to feel superior. But they aren't, just lucky mofo's.



And why don't we discuss solutions? How do make this situation better?

Education, jobs, hope. None of this exists for many.

Indifference71

callen said:

pjhawks said:

callen said:

pjhawks said:

callen said:

rr165892 said:

Cal,all based on the numbers in the Philly paper story.

To be honest didn't even read it. The whole black on black crime and they need to take care if their own before talking of others just reeks to me.

Peace.

wait so you are ripping on me for posting the article with stats and you didn't even read it? come on man. that's weak

So what message did you receive from article?

that black on black crime is a huge problem that is not being adequately addressed. it's not about talking points and slogans but about facts

And why don't we discuss solutions? How do make this situation better?

Education, jobs, hope. None of this exists for many.

I think a focus on family and education is a good start.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

callen said:

pjhawks said:

callen said:

pjhawks said:

callen said:

rr165892 said:

Cal,all based on the numbers in the Philly paper story.

To be honest didn't even read it. The whole black on black crime and they need to take care if their own before talking of others just reeks to me.

Peace.

wait so you are ripping on me for posting the article with stats and you didn't even read it? come on man. that's weak

So what message did you receive from article?

that black on black crime is a huge problem that is not being adequately addressed. it's not about talking points and slogans but about facts

Again it's not black on black crime it's poor uneducated humans born into a shit life crime against poor uneducated humans born into a shit life.

The term "black on black crime" is used by humans that have need to feel superior. But they aren't, just lucky mofo's.



And why don't we discuss solutions? How do make this situation better?

Education, jobs, hope. None of this exists for many.

Things are tough so I'm going to kill someone?

Is this ultimately what you are saying?

callen

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

callen said:

pjhawks said:

callen said:

pjhawks said:

callen said:

rr165892 said:

Cal,all based on the numbers in the Philly paper story.

To be honest didn't even read it. The whole black on black crime and they need to take care if their own before talking of others just reeks to me.

Peace.

wait so you are ripping on me for posting the article with stats and you didn't even read it? come on man. that's weak

So what message did you receive from article?

that black on black crime is a huge problem that is not being adequately addressed. it's not about talking points and slogans but about facts

Again it's not black on black crime it's poor uneducated humans born into a shit life crime against poor uneducated humans born into a shit life.

The term "black on black crime" is used by humans that have need to feel superior. But they aren't, just lucky mofo's.



And why don't we discuss solutions? How do make this situation better?

Education, jobs, hope. None of this exists for many.

Things are tough so I'm going to kill someone?

Is this ultimately what you are saying?

Not saying that at all.

We are all products of our environment. It's not a race thing. Affluent blacks living in nice areas if the country don't have kids that do crime as thise in poor projects. So I'm dying blaming it on race is wrong and incorrect. Hence my strong opposition of comments made after story was presented and those got in the black on black crime chant.

pjhawks

callen said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

callen said:

pjhawks said:

callen said:

pjhawks said:

callen said:

rr165892 said:

Cal,all based on the numbers in the Philly paper story.

To be honest didn't even read it. The whole black on black crime and they need to take care if their own before talking of others just reeks to me.

Peace.

wait so you are ripping on me for posting the article with stats and you didn't even read it? come on man. that's weak

So what message did you receive from article?

that black on black crime is a huge problem that is not being adequately addressed. it's not about talking points and slogans but about facts

Again it's not black on black crime it's poor uneducated humans born into a shit life crime against poor uneducated humans born into a shit life.

The term "black on black crime" is used by humans that have need to feel superior. But they aren't, just lucky mofo's.



And why don't we discuss solutions? How do make this situation better?

Education, jobs, hope. None of this exists for many.

Things are tough so I'm going to kill someone?

Is this ultimately what you are saying?

Not saying that at all.

We are all products of our environment. It's not a race thing. Affluent blacks living in nice areas if the country don't have kids that do crime as thise in poor projects. So I'm dying blaming it on race is wrong and incorrect. Hence my strong opposition of comments made after story was presented and those got in the black on black crime chant.

i don't think anyone is disagreeing on the cause...but when you put down on a file the race of the victim and the race of the perpratraitor the numbers ultimately fall at much greater proportions to both being black. those are facts that are indisputable.

oftenreading

pjhawks said:

callen said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

callen said:

pjhawks said:

callen said:

pjhawks said:

callen said:

rr165892 said:

Cal,all based on the numbers in the Philly paper story.

To be honest didn't even read it. The whole black on black crime and they need to take care if their own before talking of others just reeks to me.

Peace.

wait so you are ripping on me for posting the article with stats and you didn't even read it? come on man. that's weak

So what message did you receive from article?

that black on black crime is a huge problem that is not being adequately addressed. it's not about talking points and slogans but about facts

Again it's not black on black crime it's poor uneducated humans born into a shit life crime against poor uneducated humans born into a shit life.

The term "black on black crime" is used by humans that have need to feel superior. But they aren't, just lucky mofo's.



And why don't we discuss solutions? How do make this situation better?

Education, jobs, hope. None of this exists for many.

Things are tough so I'm going to kill someone?

Is this ultimately what you are saying?

Not saying that at all.

We are all products of our environment. It's not a race thing. Affluent blacks living in nice areas if the country don't have kids that do crime as thise in poor projects. So I'm dying blaming it on race is wrong and incorrect. Hence my strong opposition of comments made after story was presented and those got in the black on black crime chant.

i don't think anyone is disagreeing on the cause...but when you put down on a file the race of the victim and the race of the perpratraitor the numbers ultimately fall at much greater proportions to both being black. those are facts that are indisputable.

What are the facts around the percentage of the population living in poverty, broken down by black, white, asian, hispanic, etc? Those facts are necessary before making any further assumptions, as without them you may well be looking at simple confounders rather than any causative link.