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HughFreakingDillon said:

Last-12-Exit said:

These fuckin christians gets so pissed off when they are called a bigot. My stupid fucking sister in law called my wife crying the other day after I responded one of her ignorant pro davis memes with "davis and her followers are bigots." She lives in KY near this county. She replied with "do you think I'm a bigot scott?" She actually thought that just because I'm her brother in law I wouldn't say, "do you think gay couples do not deserve the same rights you are afforded? If so, yes, you're a bigot."

I don't care what your god says. Nobody knows what Jesus said. If you think gays don't deserve the same rights you get, then you are a bigot.

I had this same discussion with my brother, his wife, and their teenage son. my brother cried foul that just because of his beliefs, he gets demonized. he actually is saying that christianity is constantly on the defensive, always being attacked, and if he defends himself, he is called names and given labels.

if the shoe fits.......

I told them all to their face, in their home, that I consider anti-homosexual sentiment to be that of a bigoted mind. luckily, he is mature enough of an individual to not let it be the end of our relationship. I'm sure he prays for my hell-bound soul often.

No he knows you are right just doesn't have the balls to release his security blanket. During turkey day I thank Mother Earth for putting us on top of food chain after my sisters rambling prayer. They know how I feel. All good. Just want to make sure my nieces and nephews get alternate view point.

Enkidu said:

I'm not trying to derail this thread, I swear. I posted earlier about how I think religion is nobody's business but your own. I was raised Methodist, it got a little Jesus-freaky for me, I flirted with Catholicism, too not-female friendly for me, met my husband, became Episcopalian and really like it. We go to a very progressive church in LA with a gay rector, many gay families, many straight families. Our children were raised in this church and we always told them, reject it later if you want, but we want you to see what it's like. Our daughter is adopted from India, her parents were most likely Hindu and we've told her - explore your Hindu side if you'd like. My son still goes to church. He likes it. But if my kids decide one day they're atheists, that's fine. Who am I to tell them what to believe in?

Anyway, I don't like people mixing religion and politics.

Exactly! And that is why this thing is so out of hand. The two don't mix. What I don't get is why some people insist on pushing their beliefs on others. I have my thoughts on God, religion, spirituality and so forth. Everybody has their own.

Speaking of, I might have mentioned running into Tom Hayden in the CA State Capitol last week and promptly made a fool of myself twlling how great I think he is. But any way, he wrote this wonderful book called The Lost Gospel of the Earth. Publishers Weekly summarized it well thus:

"In a beautifully argued and well-written book, California state senator Tom Hayden argues that that Christian pastors must rediscover what he calls the "lost Gospel of the Earth" and rouse their congregations to environmentalist political action. Unless they do so, he contends, our governing bodies will never face up to the environmental challenges wrought by burgeoning population and what he calls a "dominion theology." Hayden's book is a call to political action of the sort that marked the civil rights movement, a political action that began in the churches. This is a clearheaded manifesto from a savvy politician who understands what it will take to oppose what he believes to be a rip tide of right-wing millennialist theology that has reconstructed Christian tradition to justify continued plundering of the planet in the name of Christ. Hayden's timely book is a dramatically argued eco-spiritual manifesto designed to reanimate the ecological wisdom of Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism and Native traditions and bring it into the political sphere."

I think if more people with spiritual interest would read this there would but a lot less antagonizing about one's faith toward another.

badbrains said:

Last-12-Exit said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Enkidu said:

But if my kids decide one day they're atheists, that's fine. Who am I to tell them what to believe in?

What if they take it a step further and simply state they are of no religion.
There is a difference.

Not really. I have been called an atheist, devil worshiper, and a heathen. Either way, I don't believe in any super natural force out there. I don't believe in any form of life after death, whether it be your soul going to heaven or hell or reincarnation.

Don't forget infidel

Or ***hole.