These fuckin christians gets so pissed off when they are called a bigot. My stupid fucking sister in law called my wife crying the other day after I responded one of her ignorant pro davis memes with "davis and her followers are bigots." She lives in KY near this county. She replied with "do you think I'm a bigot scott?" She actually thought that just because I'm her brother in law I wouldn't say, "do you think gay couples do not deserve the same rights you are afforded? If so, yes, you're a bigot."
I don't care what your god says. Nobody knows what Jesus said. If you think gays don't deserve the same rights you get, then you are a bigot.
I had this same discussion with my brother, his wife, and their teenage son. my brother cried foul that just because of his beliefs, he gets demonized. he actually is saying that christianity is constantly on the defensive, always being attacked, and if he defends himself, he is called names and given labels.
if the shoe fits.......
I told them all to their face, in their home, that I consider anti-homosexual sentiment to be that of a bigoted mind. luckily, he is mature enough of an individual to not let it be the end of our relationship. I'm sure he prays for my hell-bound soul often.
No he knows you are right just doesn't have the balls to release his security blanket. During turkey day I thank Mother Earth for putting us on top of food chain after my sisters rambling prayer. They know how I feel. All good. Just want to make sure my nieces and nephews get alternate view point.
I allow my wife to inject religion into my kids lives. But my oldest, who is 14, I've started to have real discussions with her about religion. I haven't yet come out and told her I don't believe in god. But she is asking questions. The same questions I asked at 17 and 18. The same questions that could not be answered that led me to believe religion is ALL man made.
So, I agree that too many people force religion down the throats of children and they don't allow any room for any other view points. If my daughter ultimately chooses to believe in god and be religious, I'm ok with that. I know I have given her a different theory to choose from.
My wife and I had this discussion pre-marriage. I said that she could raise them as catholic, but I would not be setting foot in a church unless it was for some type of ceremony special to them, and that if they ask me why I dont go, it is understood I will tell them (which I have). But the second they say (at a reasonable age) "I dont belive in this", the indoctrination stops and we allow them to explore any spiritual path they wish.
My wife's family had a reunion this past summer. All VERY religious. Mass on Saturday afternoon. I did not go. My wife's sister even said her husband goes "because he knows its expected". I said "well I have my own brain, and Im sure your elders can respect that". Then she told me I, and everyone else in the world, is christian. I eas baffled by this assertion. Her idea was that if I live my life as a good person, or christ like, i am a christian. I said "then i guess you are a buddist". She didnt get it.
I think its important to note that it is not ok to shame a person based on their appearance, in any situation whatsoever. I find this woman's viewpoints to be repulsive and disgusting, but imagine knowing this woman. Imagine being her kid, and hearing this gross stuff said about your mom's looks on tv and the net.
Personal insults weaken your position, not strengthen it.
Full disclosure: yes, i have done it as well in the past. I am no saint. Just having a (rare) moment of clarity.
I think its important to note that it is not ok to shame a person based on their appearance, in any situation whatsoever. I find this woman's viewpoints to be repulsive and disgusting, but imagine knowing this woman. Imagine being her kid, and hearing this gross stuff said about your mom's looks on tv and the net.
Personal insults weaken your position, not strengthen it.
Full disclosure: yes, i have done it as well in the past. I am no saint. Just having a (rare) moment of clarity.
Why would you subject children to something that you openly, firmly and stoically reject as an adult?
Subject or allow them the opportunity to learn?
Most good parents aren't looking to raise mini-me's.
Both of my parents have no belief in God but when I was growing up I had enough friends that had religion in there lives that it made me curious. They allowed me to explore the theology, go to church and make up my own mind. I have been to many a church, hall or whatever they want to call it and on my own came to the conclusion I have that God(or whatever they choose to call it) is not something I believe in. I would rather have open minded parents who let me explore and come to my own informed decisions.
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Anything you lose from being honest You never really had to begin with.
Sometimes it's not the song that makes you emotional it's the people and things that come to your mind when you hear it.
Why would you subject children to something that you openly, firmly and stoically reject as an adult?
Subject or allow them the opportunity to learn?
Most good parents aren't looking to raise mini-me's.
Both of my parents have no belief in God but when I was growing up I had enough friends that had religion in there lives that it made me curious. They allowed me to explore the theology, go to church and make up my own mind. I have been to many a church, hall or whatever they want to call it and on my own came to the conclusion I have that God(or whatever they choose to call it) is not something I believe in. I would rather have open minded parents who let me explore and come to my own informed decisions.
This is the way to do it.
Allow your child the freedom to explore once they have the skill set and maturity to process what is being delivered to them with a critical eye.
Exposing them to time tested brainwashing tactics when they are most impressionable- thinking they can choose later in life if they wish to keep believing- is poor by design unless the agenda is to construct.
As to the hair thing, I'm sorry but it just goes along with her.
Much like Trump's hair does
Hedo...
Don't apologize for the 'hair thing'. She's an idiot. Pure and simple. She can face all the attention she has earned for herself.
I feel that many of the people who have expressed that it is poor to speak to how she presents herself have, at various times, spoken to other people's beliefs or values in just as degrading fashion which, ultimately, is the same thing.
Years ago I worked for a family and they had 3 kids, like 8 and under, and I said something about Moses and they said, "Who?" And I thought that was sad. And I knew one day I wanted my kids to be raised with something. With knowledge, even if it's the bible as history. My kids went to (mostly) small private schools that weren't religious, but had an emphasis on values. Honesty, truth, etc.
I would HATE for my children to grow up to be mini-me's.
I would rather my child recognize Pan, Echo, Beowulf and Grendal, Sir Gawain, Aragorn and Frodo, Antonio and Shylock etc than just Moses and Noah like most kids.
I would like my kids to know all of those things (except maybe Beowulf, although I guess they should but I hated Beowulf - liked Gilgamesh better - um, that's why I'm Enkidu). But I agree. Kids should know as much as possible, not just Moses and Noah.
I feel sort of bad for making fun of Kim Davis's looks. And I agree it cheapens your argument when you talk about looks (Trump, Kim Davis, etc.). Trump making fun of Carly Fiorina's looks today - ugh.
But that photo of Kim Davis with Dick Cheney's face made me laugh out loud.
See, we all have our reactions. I'd feel bad (actually never would've even ventured there) had she been some decent-hearted, open-minded, my-beliefs-are-separate-from-the-duties-of-my-overpaid-job.
Nah, I don't like her one bit. Said before I can be childish in thought. Thank god! Figure that has no direct effect on anyone else.
Say the same of her actions and I'll eat my words.
See, we all have our reactions. I'd feel bad (actually never would've even ventured there) had she been some decent-hearted, open-minded, my-beliefs-are-separate-from-the-duties-of-my-overpaid-job.
Nah, I don't like her one bit. Said before I can be childish in thought. Thank god! Figure that has no direct effect on anyone else.
Say the same of her actions and I'll eat my words.
Her actions are the same as any other child. Misguided until otherwise.
See, we all have our reactions. I'd feel bad (actually never would've even ventured there) had she been some decent-hearted, open-minded, my-beliefs-are-separate-from-the-duties-of-my-overpaid-job.
Nah, I don't like her one bit. Said before I can be childish in thought. Thank god! Figure that has no direct effect on anyone else.
Say the same of her actions and I'll eat my words.
Her actions are the same as any other child. Misguided until otherwise.
Except she's not a child.
She's a well-paid elected....ah, fuck it.
(and let it be known I could've joyously gone the hair route again but with great restraint chose not to - please be gentle when patting my back)
See, we all have our reactions. I'd feel bad (actually never would've even ventured there) had she been some decent-hearted, open-minded, my-beliefs-are-separate-from-the-duties-of-my-overpaid-job.
Nah, I don't like her one bit. Said before I can be childish in thought. Thank god! Figure that has no direct effect on anyone else.
Say the same of her actions and I'll eat my words.
Her actions are the same as any other child. Misguided until otherwise.
Except she's not a child.
She's a well-paid elected....ah, fuck it.
(and let it be known I could've joyously gone the hair route again but with great restraint chose not to - please be gentle when patting my back)
Personally, religion and religious beliefs make me uncomfortable. I fully respect the rights of others to hold such beliefs but I have absolutely no respect for those who impose them on others.
I was raised by an atheist mother and all my older brothers would also be atheists. Ireland has traditionally been a very strongly Catholic country so unsurprisingly this posed some issues. I was baptised and also did my communion and confirmation as it was quite simply just what you did. In fact, even today it is extremely difficult to get into a primary school (age 4-12) if you have not been baptised. I went on to a convent school from age 12-18. Again choices were limited as we didn't have a car and it was the best school in the area. I'd had enough of religion class and regular trips to confession at that point though, so I simply refused to participate. This eventually led to me being called to the principal's office where she suggested to me that I might be better off in the Protestant school down the road! I stayed in the school but it certainly didn't enamour me of Catholicism or any other religion.
I find it deeply unsettling when a person believes they have a right to force their religious views on others and attempt to impose their way of life on them. When a state does so, well to me that is just unacceptable. Religion is a personal thing and as I said, people can believe whatever they want. If they want to teach religion in schools I believe it should only be taught as a subject of cultural, historical and sociological interest and it most certainly should not be compulsory. Naturally, it should also be taught from an anthropological point of view, presenting varying sets of beliefs, rather than presenting them as facts.
More importantly, religion has no place in the laws of our lands. If you choose to apply for or accept a job that requires you to uphold and enforce the laws of your jurisdiction, then you should first ensure that you are prepared to do so. If a law is subsequently passed that conflicts with your beliefs, then you should immediately speak to your employers and explain this to them. If you're fortunate, perhaps they might be able to find a way to allow you to continue in your job without contravening your beliefs. If not, tough shit. You are hired to perform a job, if you cannot meet the requirements of the job then they are entitled to replace you with someone who can.
I live in a country where, sadly, religion still casts its shadow over our laws. This situation is changing, though far too slowly. Hopefully there will come a day where religious considerations have no bearing on the laws of any land, as no government has the right to choose the religion of its citizens by enacting such laws.
Sorry for the long ramble but I guess you could say it's an issue I feel strongly about
HAHHAHHAHHAHHAHA I just love a good laugh ! thank you.
Godfather.
Care to elaborate on what you find humourous?
a hand full of people on here have no more than insults to add to this topic and they talk about equal rights but only see and agree with the rights of the party they feel has been wronged, anger is a funny thing, I believe if you read all the posts on this thread you will see a mirror image of just about every topic brought forth to the train from muslim terrorist to gays and Christians and when they try to take thier point to an extreem they bash the Christain faith or talk about the bigots who don't agree with them, this hand full of people are a prime example of what they feel is wrong with the world to start with and that's why total world peace is imposible in the big picture, I realize this is just a forum with no real solution to any propblems (and it's probably a good thing) but sometimes I just have to laugh at the hand full.
HAHHAHHAHHAHHAHA I just love a good laugh ! thank you.
Godfather.
Care to elaborate on what you find humourous?
a hand full of people on here have no more than insults to add to this topic and they talk about equal rights but only see and agree with the rights of the party they feel has been wronged, anger is a funny thing, I believe if you read all the posts on this thread you will see a mirror image of just about every topic brought forth to the train from muslim terrorist to gays and Christians and when they try to take thier point to an extreem they bash the Christain faith or talk about the bigots who don't agree with them, this hand full of people are a prime example of what they feel is wrong with the world to start with and that's why total world peace is imposible in the big picture, I realize this is just a forum with no real solution to any propblems (and it's probably a good thing) but sometimes I just have to laugh at the hand full.
Godfather.
You don't seem to understand things, no matter how many times they are explained. It is not incumbent on anyone to except anyone elses bigotry, and respect is earned not given. Racists, bigots, thieves, predators...they all deserve our disdain and it is not at all the same thing to hate a hater as it is to hate someone who hasn't given cause.
Personally, religion and religious beliefs make me uncomfortable. I fully respect the rights of others to hold such beliefs but I have absolutely no respect for those who impose them on others.
I was raised by an atheist mother and all my older brothers would also be atheists. Ireland has traditionally been a very strongly Catholic country so unsurprisingly this posed some issues. I was baptised and also did my communion and confirmation as it was quite simply just what you did. In fact, even today it is extremely difficult to get into a primary school (age 4-12) if you have not been baptised. I went on to a convent school from age 12-18. Again choices were limited as we didn't have a car and it was the best school in the area. I'd had enough of religion class and regular trips to confession at that point though, so I simply refused to participate. This eventually led to me being called to the principal's office where she suggested to me that I might be better off in the Protestant school down the road! I stayed in the school but it certainly didn't enamour me of Catholicism or any other religion.
I find it deeply unsettling when a person believes they have a right to force their religious views on others and attempt to impose their way of life on them. When a state does so, well to me that is just unacceptable. Religion is a personal thing and as I said, people can believe whatever they want. If they want to teach religion in schools I believe it should only be taught as a subject of cultural, historical and sociological interest and it most certainly should not be compulsory. Naturally, it should also be taught from an anthropological point of view, presenting varying sets of beliefs, rather than presenting them as facts.
More importantly, religion has no place in the laws of our lands. If you choose to apply for or accept a job that requires you to uphold and enforce the laws of your jurisdiction, then you should first ensure that you are prepared to do so. If a law is subsequently passed that conflicts with your beliefs, then you should immediately speak to your employers and explain this to them. If you're fortunate, perhaps they might be able to find a way to allow you to continue in your job without contravening your beliefs. If not, tough shit. You are hired to perform a job, if you cannot meet the requirements of the job then they are entitled to replace you with someone who can.
I live in a country where, sadly, religion still casts its shadow over our laws. This situation is changing, though far too slowly. Hopefully there will come a day where religious considerations have no bearing on the laws of any land, as no government has the right to choose the religion of its citizens by enacting such laws.
Sorry for the long ramble but I guess you could say it's an issue I feel strongly about
Personally, religion and religious beliefs make me uncomfortable. I fully respect the rights of others to hold such beliefs but I have absolutely no respect for those who impose them on others.
I was raised by an atheist mother and all my older brothers would also be atheists. Ireland has traditionally been a very strongly Catholic country so unsurprisingly this posed some issues. I was baptised and also did my communion and confirmation as it was quite simply just what you did. In fact, even today it is extremely difficult to get into a primary school (age 4-12) if you have not been baptised. I went on to a convent school from age 12-18. Again choices were limited as we didn't have a car and it was the best school in the area. I'd had enough of religion class and regular trips to confession at that point though, so I simply refused to participate. This eventually led to me being called to the principal's office where she suggested to me that I might be better off in the Protestant school down the road! I stayed in the school but it certainly didn't enamour me of Catholicism or any other religion.
I find it deeply unsettling when a person believes they have a right to force their religious views on others and attempt to impose their way of life on them. When a state does so, well to me that is just unacceptable. Religion is a personal thing and as I said, people can believe whatever they want. If they want to teach religion in schools I believe it should only be taught as a subject of cultural, historical and sociological interest and it most certainly should not be compulsory. Naturally, it should also be taught from an anthropological point of view, presenting varying sets of beliefs, rather than presenting them as facts.
More importantly, religion has no place in the laws of our lands. If you choose to apply for or accept a job that requires you to uphold and enforce the laws of your jurisdiction, then you should first ensure that you are prepared to do so. If a law is subsequently passed that conflicts with your beliefs, then you should immediately speak to your employers and explain this to them. If you're fortunate, perhaps they might be able to find a way to allow you to continue in your job without contravening your beliefs. If not, tough shit. You are hired to perform a job, if you cannot meet the requirements of the job then they are entitled to replace you with someone who can.
I live in a country where, sadly, religion still casts its shadow over our laws. This situation is changing, though far too slowly. Hopefully there will come a day where religious considerations have no bearing on the laws of any land, as no government has the right to choose the religion of its citizens by enacting such laws.
Sorry for the long ramble but I guess you could say it's an issue I feel strongly about
Wasn't there a Led Zeppelin song that was called *Ramble On*......and you did so. Bravo you, well done.....like you said it should have no bearing and if so move unto something to your liking.
Peace
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
quote: "I live in a country where, sadly, religion still casts its shadow over our laws. This situation is changing, though far too slowly. Hopefully there will come a day where religious considerations have no bearing on the laws of any land, as no government has the right to choose the religion of its citizens by enacting such laws."
are there any countries in the world that live by the laws you hope for ? serious question and if so what shape are they in ?
quote: "I live in a country where, sadly, religion still casts its shadow over our laws. This situation is changing, though far too slowly. Hopefully there will come a day where religious considerations have no bearing on the laws of any land, as no government has the right to choose the religion of its citizens by enacting such laws."
are there any countries in the world that live by the laws you hope for ? serious question and if so what shape are they in ?
Godfather.
As far as I know, Sweden and Denmark live by secular laws and are pretty good models of what we should be aiming for
HAHHAHHAHHAHHAHA I just love a good laugh ! thank you.
Godfather.
Care to elaborate on what you find humourous?
a hand full of people on here have no more than insults to add to this topic and they talk about equal rights but only see and agree with the rights of the party they feel has been wronged, anger is a funny thing, I believe if you read all the posts on this thread you will see a mirror image of just about every topic brought forth to the train from muslim terrorist to gays and Christians and when they try to take thier point to an extreem they bash the Christain faith or talk about the bigots who don't agree with them, this hand full of people are a prime example of what they feel is wrong with the world to start with and that's why total world peace is imposible in the big picture, I realize this is just a forum with no real solution to any propblems (and it's probably a good thing) but sometimes I just have to laugh at the hand full.
Godfather.
but equal rights don't extend to infringing on the rights of others. you can't be accepting of laws that offer religious freedom for one, but oppression of any kind of another. that's not equal in the slightest.
religious freedom isn't about imposing your views on others (as this person did). religious freedom is personal, not all-encompassing. spread the message, state your opinion, no problem. but don't FORCE the message. that goes against what jesus is depicted as saying in the bible.
a gay couple getting married does not infringe on your rights. it affects you in no way, shape, or form, except in your own head. it only affects the couple getting married.
a gay couple not being allowed to marry by any person IS infringing on their rights.
what would be infringing on your rights as a religious person who doesn't believe in gay marriage, is forcing you to marry a man.
total world peace isn't possible because of people like kim davis, anyone who imposes their views on others in a forceful way. not the gay couples who just want to be left alone and. case closed.
imposing your views on others is a two way street, I agree with you, both sides are imposing thier views on each other so it boils down to personal choices, her religious freedom was used by her and she made the choice to not do her job so she should have been fired or suspended not put in a position to be thrown in jail.
imposing your views on others is a two way street, I agree with you, both sides are imposing thier views on each other so it boils down to personal choices, her religious freedom was used by her and she made the choice to not do her job so she should have been fired or suspended not put in a position to be thrown in jail.
Godfather.
this is where you are incorrect. imposing your views is not a two way street. they were not obstructing her from anything. she was. no one is imposing their views on her. they are not stopping her from doing anything. they were requesting a service allowed by law. she, however, was stopping them from getting a marriage license.
if a black person was being told they couldn't use a washroom in a southern US restaurant, would you say the black person is imposing their views on the white restaurant owners?
imposing your views on others is a two way street, I agree with you, both sides are imposing thier views on each other so it boils down to personal choices, her religious freedom was used by her and she made the choice to not do her job so she should have been fired or suspended not put in a position to be thrown in jail.
Godfather.
this is where you are incorrect. imposing your views is not a two way street. they were not obstructing her from anything. she was. no one is imposing their views on her. they are not stopping her from doing anything. they were requesting a service allowed by law. she, however, was stopping them from getting a marriage license.
if a black person was being told they couldn't use a washroom in a southern US restaurant, would you say the black person is imposing their views on the white restaurant owners?
And this is correct.
GF... you are confusing religious freedom with being free to persecute others based on your religious beliefs.
and I can't comment on the jail thing. I don't know enough about those laws to understand why she was in contempt of court instead of a just a deadbeat not doing her job, requiring dismissal.
and I can't comment on the jail thing. I don't know enough about those laws to understand why she was in contempt of court instead of a just a deadbeat not doing her job, requiring dismissal.
County clerks in KY are elected officials. And as someone mentioned earlier, they can only be dismissed by state leg. or governor. Both the AG, Conway, and the Governor, Beshear, have elected to do nothing. Conway is running for Governor and Beshears son is running for AG. State leg. is primarily conservative so most are on her side, or at the very least, not willing to piss off the conservative constituency in this state. Most people outside Louisville, the states largest city, are really conservative even if they say the are Dems.
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
and I can't comment on the jail thing. I don't know enough about those laws to understand why she was in contempt of court instead of a just a deadbeat not doing her job, requiring dismissal.
As an elected official she could not be dismissed. She could only be removed by being voted outnof office or removed by impeachment (I think).
She was jailed because she continued to defy a judge's order to sign off on all marriages. The therefore she was in contempt of court which is a jailable offense.
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My wife's family had a reunion this past summer. All VERY religious. Mass on Saturday afternoon. I did not go. My wife's sister even said her husband goes "because he knows its expected". I said "well I have my own brain, and Im sure your elders can respect that". Then she told me I, and everyone else in the world, is christian. I eas baffled by this assertion. Her idea was that if I live my life as a good person, or christ like, i am a christian. I said "then i guess you are a buddist". She didnt get it.
Sorry for derailing.
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Personal insults weaken your position, not strengthen it.
Full disclosure: yes, i have done it as well in the past. I am no saint. Just having a (rare) moment of clarity.
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We're all different behind the eyes.
I would rather have open minded parents who let me explore and come to my own informed decisions.
You never really had to begin with.
Sometimes it's not the song that makes you emotional it's the people and things that come to your mind when you hear it.
Allow your child the freedom to explore once they have the skill set and maturity to process what is being delivered to them with a critical eye.
Exposing them to time tested brainwashing tactics when they are most impressionable- thinking they can choose later in life if they wish to keep believing- is poor by design unless the agenda is to construct.
As to the hair thing, I'm sorry but it just goes along with her.
Much like Trump's hair does
Anyway, I'm more into golden slumbers than golden showers.
Don't apologize for the 'hair thing'. She's an idiot. Pure and simple. She can face all the attention she has earned for herself.
I feel that many of the people who have expressed that it is poor to speak to how she presents herself have, at various times, spoken to other people's beliefs or values in just as degrading fashion which, ultimately, is the same thing.
I feel sort of bad for making fun of Kim Davis's looks. And I agree it cheapens your argument when you talk about looks (Trump, Kim Davis, etc.). Trump making fun of Carly Fiorina's looks today - ugh.
But that photo of Kim Davis with Dick Cheney's face made me laugh out loud.
Nah, I don't like her one bit. Said before I can be childish in thought. Thank god! Figure that has no direct effect on anyone else.
Say the same of her actions and I'll eat my words.
She's a well-paid elected....ah, fuck it.
(and let it be known I could've joyously gone the hair route again but with great restraint chose not to - please be gentle when patting my back)
I was raised by an atheist mother and all my older brothers would also be atheists. Ireland has traditionally been a very strongly Catholic country so unsurprisingly this posed some issues. I was baptised and also did my communion and confirmation as it was quite simply just what you did. In fact, even today it is extremely difficult to get into a primary school (age 4-12) if you have not been baptised. I went on to a convent school from age 12-18. Again choices were limited as we didn't have a car and it was the best school in the area. I'd had enough of religion class and regular trips to confession at that point though, so I simply refused to participate. This eventually led to me being called to the principal's office where she suggested to me that I might be better off in the Protestant school down the road! I stayed in the school but it certainly didn't enamour me of Catholicism or any other religion.
I find it deeply unsettling when a person believes they have a right to force their religious views on others and attempt to impose their way of life on them. When a state does so, well to me that is just unacceptable. Religion is a personal thing and as I said, people can believe whatever they want. If they want to teach religion in schools I believe it should only be taught as a subject of cultural, historical and sociological interest and it most certainly should not be compulsory. Naturally, it should also be taught from an anthropological point of view, presenting varying sets of beliefs, rather than presenting them as facts.
More importantly, religion has no place in the laws of our lands. If you choose to apply for or accept a job that requires you to uphold and enforce the laws of your jurisdiction, then you should first ensure that you are prepared to do so. If a law is subsequently passed that conflicts with your beliefs, then you should immediately speak to your employers and explain this to them. If you're fortunate, perhaps they might be able to find a way to allow you to continue in your job without contravening your beliefs. If not, tough shit. You are hired to perform a job, if you cannot meet the requirements of the job then they are entitled to replace you with someone who can.
I live in a country where, sadly, religion still casts its shadow over our laws. This situation is changing, though far too slowly. Hopefully there will come a day where religious considerations have no bearing on the laws of any land, as no government has the right to choose the religion of its citizens by enacting such laws.
Sorry for the long ramble but I guess you could say it's an issue I feel strongly about
and they talk about equal rights but only see and agree with the rights of the party they feel has been wronged, anger is a funny thing, I believe if you read all the posts on this thread you will see a mirror image of just about every topic brought forth to the train from muslim terrorist to gays and Christians and when they try to take thier point to an extreem they bash the Christain faith or talk about the bigots who don't agree with them, this hand full of people are a prime example of what they feel is wrong with the world to start with and that's why total world peace is imposible in the big picture, I realize this is just a forum with no real solution to any propblems (and it's probably a good thing) but sometimes I just have to laugh at the hand full.
Godfather.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
are there any countries in the world that live by the laws you hope for ? serious question and if so what shape are they in ?
Godfather.
religious freedom isn't about imposing your views on others (as this person did). religious freedom is personal, not all-encompassing. spread the message, state your opinion, no problem. but don't FORCE the message. that goes against what jesus is depicted as saying in the bible.
a gay couple getting married does not infringe on your rights. it affects you in no way, shape, or form, except in your own head. it only affects the couple getting married.
a gay couple not being allowed to marry by any person IS infringing on their rights.
what would be infringing on your rights as a religious person who doesn't believe in gay marriage, is forcing you to marry a man.
total world peace isn't possible because of people like kim davis, anyone who imposes their views on others in a forceful way. not the gay couples who just want to be left alone and. case closed.
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Godfather.
if a black person was being told they couldn't use a washroom in a southern US restaurant, would you say the black person is imposing their views on the white restaurant owners?
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GF... you are confusing religious freedom with being free to persecute others based on your religious beliefs.
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Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
She was jailed because she continued to defy a judge's order to sign off on all marriages. The therefore she was in contempt of court which is a jailable offense.