Remember in Civics class where we learned that Congress makes the laws and the Supreme Court interprets them? Ok, in 1996, President Clinton signed the Defense Of Marriage Act (DOMA) into Federal law stating that marriag was between a man and a woman. There was no Federal Law concerning marriage prior to that, so DOMA became THE Federal statute pertaining to marriage. The Supreme Court ruled in 2013 that PART of DOMA was unconstitutional and some states voted to allow same sex marriage. However, they were in conflict with the remaining articles of DOMA. The way Federal Laws work is that state law can be MORE restrictive but it cannot be less restrictive than Federal law. So, some states, who voted to recognize same sex marriage were in conflict with Federal Law. Which is the reason the Supreme Court heard the issue again this year. We all know their decision. But, what we apparently forgot is that since they can't make law, their decision to declare DOMA unconstitutional resulted in there being NO federal law concerning marriage. Which means, jurisdiction falls to the state. And what that means boys and girls is that Kim Davis IS NOT in violation of ANY law by refusing to issue marriage licenses after the SCOTUS ruling. In fact, if she had issued a license to a same sex couple, she would have been in violation of the state laws of Kentucky, which had voted no on the issue. Congress failed to be prepared to handle the situation resulting from SCOTUS striking down DOMA by writing a new Federal Law so we are left with the issue being handled at a state level. In the states that voted no on this issue, same sex marriage is not Federally protected. Like it or not, agree with it or not, that's the way the law works in this country.
14th Amendment gf. Equal protection under the law. Has been interpreted now to include marriage equality.
Btw, where was this copied from? No typos so it aint yours
did you see my name at the bottom ?
Godfather.
Have always wondered why you put godfather after everything. Anyway Change your signature man, "it dosen't matter to me what a man dose for a living you understand.. as long as his interest's don't conflict with mine." it is ripe with errors You can spell godfather but not does?
Remember in Civics class where we learned that Congress makes the laws and the Supreme Court interprets them? Ok, in 1996, President Clinton signed the Defense Of Marriage Act (DOMA) into Federal law stating that marriag was between a man and a woman. There was no Federal Law concerning marriage prior to that, so DOMA became THE Federal statute pertaining to marriage. The Supreme Court ruled in 2013 that PART of DOMA was unconstitutional and some states voted to allow same sex marriage. However, they were in conflict with the remaining articles of DOMA. The way Federal Laws work is that state law can be MORE restrictive but it cannot be less restrictive than Federal law. So, some states, who voted to recognize same sex marriage were in conflict with Federal Law. Which is the reason the Supreme Court heard the issue again this year. We all know their decision. But, what we apparently forgot is that since they can't make law, their decision to declare DOMA unconstitutional resulted in there being NO federal law concerning marriage. Which means, jurisdiction falls to the state. And what that means boys and girls is that Kim Davis IS NOT in violation of ANY law by refusing to issue marriage licenses after the SCOTUS ruling. In fact, if she had issued a license to a same sex couple, she would have been in violation of the state laws of Kentucky, which had voted no on the issue. Congress failed to be prepared to handle the situation resulting from SCOTUS striking down DOMA by writing a new Federal Law so we are left with the issue being handled at a state level. In the states that voted no on this issue, same sex marriage is not Federally protected. Like it or not, agree with it or not, that's the way the law works in this country.
14th Amendment gf. Equal protection under the law. Has been interpreted now to include marriage equality.
Btw, where was this copied from? No typos so it aint yours
did you see my name at the bottom ?
Godfather.
Have always wondered why you put godfather after everything. Anyway Change your signature man, "it dosen't matter to me what a man dose for a living you understand.. as long as his interest's don't conflict with mine." it is ripe with errors You can spell godfather but not does?
Nah, he means "dose". The question is, what is the man dosed with?
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
It's only a thought that makes it seem right; what you don't see is because of your sight.
Save the whales!
back in the 80's there was a bumper sticker going around that read "nuke the gay whales for world peace"....a sarcastic all in one bumper sticker but stll today sarcasism is king, we don't need facts to back up a sarcastic remark right ?
Godfather.
Forget about all that troll stuff. I want to know how many people have had a case of sarcasism?
That would suck, man.
HAHHAHHAHHAHHA ! I believe it has run wild here on the train LOL !!!! put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up.
I don't care what anyone thinks God's work is supposed to be, partly because no one could know that, namely because God doesn't exist anyway, and also because God has no place in government anyhow, so what difference does it make?? JAG, how do you justify your idea that personal religious belief has any place in government and how the law defines and serves equal rights, and how do you reconcile it with your own apparent respect of the Constitution in other regards? For example, how can you possibly defend your right to free speech or right to bear arms, while supporting opposition to the Constitution based on your religious beliefs?
I guess it's pretty ridiculous of me to expect any kind of logical comment or answer from you about anything at this point, but I keep hoping. I do actually think that you are just a very creative troll who loves to say whatever you feel will get people irritated (i picture you sitting at the computer and chuckling and cackling over how gullible we all are), but even so, I am curious to see what you can come up with as an answer to that question.
I love how when I say something that actually makes sense, I'm called a troll. Why don't you suggest I see a doctor again? I am asked questions and answer them, only to be told I dodge questions. I also said before that when I make a statement, I don't feel the need to defend my statement to death. It's not going to be changed by you.
The difference is that I don't resort to hate and violence, degrading people based on appearance (and then bash others for doing the same thing) insult others religions, etc. maybe that's why I am considered a troll? I make a simple typo, an "n" vs an "m" and it's noted and made fun of in three seperate posts? Again, bullying, and ganging up.
I am open to debating the comments I made. I am not open to answering every question you create to try and discredit the things I say. That's the 4th or 5th time I've said it, continue to say I dodge questions I could care less.
All I've asked is to please respect my religion. It's mocked repeatedly. Jesus died for us, and it's ignored daily. The dude died being beaten to death by people who disagreed with his beliefs. Was that right? Is the actions you're taking any different tha the roams?
Stop calling me and my lord and savior a troll. We're not trolls and were good people. I want to believe you are too but it gets harder and harder every day. I'll pray for you again tonight but I'm losing hope.
....so then If I wanted a cake ...white frosting 16" X 16" X 16" with read lettering that read white power baked at the bakery owned by a black couple in thier mid to late 60's I would not be imposing on them and they should be happy to get my business ? or should I understand how they may feel about it and go to another bakery ?
Godfather.
Is it illegal for them to refuse to make the cake based on what you want it to say?
really ? what ever happened to the bakery owners that refused to bake a wedding cake for same sex ....people ? it was all over the news for a while that there was a fine and they didn't seem to have the right to refuse service anybody.....or does that rule not aply to same sex couples ?
Godfather.
did you really pause and search for a word to describe "same sex........people"?
they are people too.
that would be like me describing people of faith and act like i am searching for a word to describe what they are.
I hate this woman now. I don't want to talk or think about her. She's a nobody.
Well, you still thought, spoke, and wrote about her. So ahe apparently does bother you, that means you're incorrect and do in fact care about her. She's a good woman, lay off her.
And posting pics with the word cunt is very degrading. How would she feel? Would you say that to her face? Didn't think so.
Did you read what I wrote? You obviously have no clue how to comprehend simple sentences. Because your response didn't make any sense.
And the picture pretty much sums up her ideology and her followers. And yes, it is degrading and I would say it to her face.
Why continue to feed the troll? She ignores responses from people, even when they aren't "bullying" her. Doesn't engage in any kind of legitimate debate. Makes the most ridiculous statements I have seen on these boards and has no interest in having an intelligent conversation. She is jerking your chain people. Just ignore it.
I agree. I 100% think JAG is just fucking with us and having a blast doing it... which actually takes some dedication. And it has kept the boards lively I suppose.... the devil's advocate serves some purpose in debate, even when it gets really ridiculous.
Wow. You're way of thinking is pretty twisted
I am trying to defend her actions and my religion and I'm a dedicated troll. Because I don't agree with you? Or Fox News? Or huffington post?
She's a good woman so please leave her alone. She's not even charged with a crime in connection with this. This is just a bash happy thread. If I started one bashing Obama it would be closed so quick. Doesn't seem fair.
....so then If I wanted a cake ...white frosting 16" X 16" X 16" with read lettering that read white power baked at the bakery owned by a black couple in thier mid to late 60's I would not be imposing on them and they should be happy to get my business ? or should I understand how they may feel about it and go to another bakery ?
Godfather.
Is it illegal for them to refuse to make the cake based on what you want it to say?
really ? what ever happened to the bakery owners that refused to bake a wedding cake for same sex ....people ? it was all over the news for a while that there was a fine and they didn't seem to have the right to refuse service anybody.....or does that rule not aply to same sex couples ?
Godfather.
did you really pause and search for a word to describe "same sex........people"?
they are people too.
that would be like me describing people of faith and act like i am searching for a word to describe what they are.
I hate this woman now. I don't want to talk or think about her. She's a nobody.
Well, you still thought, spoke, and wrote about her. So ahe apparently does bother you, that means you're incorrect and do in fact care about her. She's a good woman, lay off her.
And posting pics with the word cunt is very degrading. How would she feel? Would you say that to her face? Didn't think so.
Did you read what I wrote? You obviously have no clue how to comprehend simple sentences. Because your response didn't make any sense.
And the picture pretty much sums up her ideology and her followers. And yes, it is degrading and I would say it to her face.
Why continue to feed the troll? She ignores responses from people, even when they aren't "bullying" her. Doesn't engage in any kind of legitimate debate. Makes the most ridiculous statements I have seen on these boards and has no interest in having an intelligent conversation. She is jerking your chain people. Just ignore it.
It's a release.
Trying myself to not attack and maybe point out inaccuracies but mostly soaking in the great things that are happening during our lifetimes.
Will be very interesting to see if this clerk interferes with next license.
....so then If I wanted a cake ...white frosting 16" X 16" X 16" with read lettering that read white power baked at the bakery owned by a black couple in thier mid to late 60's I would not be imposing on them and they should be happy to get my business ? or should I understand how they may feel about it and go to another bakery ?
Godfather.
Is it illegal for them to refuse to make the cake based on what you want it to say?
really ? what ever happened to the bakery owners that refused to bake a wedding cake for same sex ....people ? it was all over the news for a while that there was a fine and they didn't seem to have the right to refuse service anybody.....or does that rule not aply to same sex couples ?
Godfather.
did you really pause and search for a word to describe "same sex........people"?
they are people too.
that would be like me describing people of faith and act like i am searching for a word to describe what they are.
I hate this woman now. I don't want to talk or think about her. She's a nobody.
Well, you still thought, spoke, and wrote about her. So ahe apparently does bother you, that means you're incorrect and do in fact care about her. She's a good woman, lay off her.
And posting pics with the word cunt is very degrading. How would she feel? Would you say that to her face? Didn't think so.
Did you read what I wrote? You obviously have no clue how to comprehend simple sentences. Because your response didn't make any sense.
And the picture pretty much sums up her ideology and her followers. And yes, it is degrading and I would say it to her face.
Why continue to feed the troll? She ignores responses from people, even when they aren't "bullying" her. Doesn't engage in any kind of legitimate debate. Makes the most ridiculous statements I have seen on these boards and has no interest in having an intelligent conversation. She is jerking your chain people. Just ignore it.
I agree. I 100% think JAG is just fucking with us and having a blast doing it... which actually takes some dedication. And it has kept the boards lively I suppose.... the devil's advocate serves some purpose in debate, even when it gets really ridiculous.
Wow. You're way of thinking is pretty twisted
I am trying to defend her actions and my religion and I'm a dedicated troll. Because I don't agree with you? Or Fox News? Or huffington post?
She's a good woman so please leave her alone. She's not even charged with a crime in connection with this. This is just a bash happy thread. If I started one bashing Obama it would be closed so quick. Doesn't seem fair.
JAG: Good is very subjective. Many including the Supreme Court disagree.
Agree you are attacked on personal level which sucks but realize it's because your position has angered many for a long time. Don't stop but thicken up the skin.
.....and roll with the punches as our resident mobster God Father does. You have a platform to voice your concerns which is great.
All: if you understand what poster is saying doesn't matter grammar used. Get over it. Many of us use these small new fangled devices. Our eyes getting old and darn autocorrect.
And guess what, I just got home from church. Yep, I go to church, I believe in God, I respect anyone's right to believe in God or not. It's a personal decision and none of my business.
Enkidu,
Thank you for this. Not all of us who attend church look at people with bigotry and hate. You said it best when you said that you respect anyone's right to believe in God or not. I have so many wonderful friends who don't believe in God. You know what? There are times that we have some great religious discussions and we all learn great things from each other. We have mutual respect.
I would rather go forth in love and learn from each other than to go forth in hate and judgment.
Isn't that what we are here for? We discuss things. We learn from each other.
Totally agree I feel the same about the good folks that attend church every week even though I don't I respect the folks that believe as long as they are not trying to impose their beliefs on me & you never come off as one of those folks
And guess what, I just got home from church. Yep, I go to church, I believe in God, I respect anyone's right to believe in God or not. It's a personal decision and none of my business.
Enkidu,
Thank you for this. Not all of us who attend church look at people with bigotry and hate. You said it best when you said that you respect anyone's right to believe in God or not. I have so many wonderful friends who don't believe in God. You know what? There are times that we have some great religious discussions and we all learn great things from each other. We have mutual respect.
I would rather go forth in love and learn from each other than to go forth in hate and judgment.
Isn't that what we are here for? We discuss things. We learn from each other.
Totally agree I feel the same about the good folks that attend church every week even though I don't I respect the folks that believe as long as they are not trying to impose their beliefs on me & you never come off as one of those folks
No bible bashing at my house, Jose. Believe as you do. Come as you are.
It's only a thought that makes it seem right; what you don't see is because of your sight.
Save the whales!
back in the 80's there was a bumper sticker going around that read "nuke the gay whales for world peace"....a sarcastic all in one bumper sticker but stll today sarcasism is king, we don't need facts to back up a sarcastic remark right ?
Godfather.
Forget about all that troll stuff. I want to know how many people have had a case of sarcasism?
That would suck, man.
HAHHAHHAHHAHHA ! I believe it has run wild here on the train LOL !!!! put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up.
Godfather.
Just goofing around, GF.
You know this correct?
I'll let Rocco know it was a joke LOL !!!! no worries here my friend.
....so then If I wanted a cake ...white frosting 16" X 16" X 16" with read lettering that read white power baked at the bakery owned by a black couple in thier mid to late 60's I would not be imposing on them and they should be happy to get my business ? or should I understand how they may feel about it and go to another bakery ?
Godfather.
Is it illegal for them to refuse to make the cake based on what you want it to say?
really ? what ever happened to the bakery owners that refused to bake a wedding cake for same sex ....people ? it was all over the news for a while that there was a fine and they didn't seem to have the right to refuse service anybody.....or does that rule not aply to same sex couples ?
Godfather.
did you really pause and search for a word to describe "same sex........people"?
they are people too.
that would be like me describing people of faith and act like i am searching for a word to describe what they are.
I hate this woman now. I don't want to talk or think about her. She's a nobody.
Well, you still thought, spoke, and wrote about her. So ahe apparently does bother you, that means you're incorrect and do in fact care about her. She's a good woman, lay off her.
And posting pics with the word cunt is very degrading. How would she feel? Would you say that to her face? Didn't think so.
Did you read what I wrote? You obviously have no clue how to comprehend simple sentences. Because your response didn't make any sense.
And the picture pretty much sums up her ideology and her followers. And yes, it is degrading and I would say it to her face.
Why continue to feed the troll? She ignores responses from people, even when they aren't "bullying" her. Doesn't engage in any kind of legitimate debate. Makes the most ridiculous statements I have seen on these boards and has no interest in having an intelligent conversation. She is jerking your chain people. Just ignore it.
It's a release.
Trying myself to not attack and maybe point out inaccuracies but mostly soaking in the great things that are happening during our lifetimes.
Will be very interesting to see if this clerk interferes with next license.
She is now saying she won't go against her belief, but will try to create a path that allows the issuing of the license without her name on it. So she is willing to compromise. Fair enough.
Now we will find out if those licenses will be legal. I would say, if she can't perform all the functions of her job for whatever reason, she should just step down.
....so then If I wanted a cake ...white frosting 16" X 16" X 16" with read lettering that read white power baked at the bakery owned by a black couple in thier mid to late 60's I would not be imposing on them and they should be happy to get my business ? or should I understand how they may feel about it and go to another bakery ?
Godfather.
Is it illegal for them to refuse to make the cake based on what you want it to say?
really ? what ever happened to the bakery owners that refused to bake a wedding cake for same sex ....people ? it was all over the news for a while that there was a fine and they didn't seem to have the right to refuse service anybody.....or does that rule not aply to same sex couples ?
Godfather.
did you really pause and search for a word to describe "same sex........people"?
they are people too.
that would be like me describing people of faith and act like i am searching for a word to describe what they are.
I hate this woman now. I don't want to talk or think about her. She's a nobody.
Well, you still thought, spoke, and wrote about her. So ahe apparently does bother you, that means you're incorrect and do in fact care about her. She's a good woman, lay off her.
And posting pics with the word cunt is very degrading. How would she feel? Would you say that to her face? Didn't think so.
Did you read what I wrote? You obviously have no clue how to comprehend simple sentences. Because your response didn't make any sense.
And the picture pretty much sums up her ideology and her followers. And yes, it is degrading and I would say it to her face.
Why continue to feed the troll? She ignores responses from people, even when they aren't "bullying" her. Doesn't engage in any kind of legitimate debate. Makes the most ridiculous statements I have seen on these boards and has no interest in having an intelligent conversation. She is jerking your chain people. Just ignore it.
I agree. I 100% think JAG is just fucking with us and having a blast doing it... which actually takes some dedication. And it has kept the boards lively I suppose.... the devil's advocate serves some purpose in debate, even when it gets really ridiculous.
I disagree.
You disagree that JAG is just fucking with us, or you disagree that it keeps the board lively?
Or are you just being generally disagreeable.
I disagree that JAG is just Fucking with us. I think she is one of those far right wingers that makes GF seem like an Obama supporter.
I don't care what anyone thinks God's work is supposed to be, partly because no one could know that, namely because God doesn't exist anyway, and also because God has no place in government anyhow, so what difference does it make?? JAG, how do you justify your idea that personal religious belief has any place in government and how the law defines and serves equal rights, and how do you reconcile it with your own apparent respect of the Constitution in other regards? For example, how can you possibly defend your right to free speech or right to bear arms, while supporting opposition to the Constitution based on your religious beliefs?
I guess it's pretty ridiculous of me to expect any kind of logical comment or answer from you about anything at this point, but I keep hoping. I do actually think that you are just a very creative troll who loves to say whatever you feel will get people irritated (i picture you sitting at the computer and chuckling and cackling over how gullible we all are), but even so, I am curious to see what you can come up with as an answer to that question.
I love how when I say something that actually makes sense, I'm called a troll. Why don't you suggest I see a doctor again? I am asked questions and answer them, only to be told I dodge questions. I also said before that when I make a statement, I don't feel the need to defend my statement to death. It's not going to be changed by you.
The difference is that I don't resort to hate and violence, degrading people based on appearance (and then bash others for doing the same thing) insult others religions, etc. maybe that's why I am considered a troll? I make a simple typo, an "n" vs an "m" and it's noted and made fun of in three seperate posts? Again, bullying, and ganging up.
I am open to debating the comments I made. I am not open to answering every question you create to try and discredit the things I say. That's the 4th or 5th time I've said it, continue to say I dodge questions I could care less.
All I've asked is to please respect my religion. It's mocked repeatedly. Jesus died for us, and it's ignored daily. The dude died being beaten to death by people who disagreed with his beliefs. Was that right? Is the actions you're taking any different tha the roams?
Stop calling me and my lord and savior a troll. We're not trolls and were good people. I want to believe you are too but it gets harder and harder every day. I'll pray for you again tonight but I'm losing hope.
Please stop praying for me. I do not believe Jesus died for you or me. He died because he was running around saying he was the son of God. What happened to David Koresh when he was saying that?
....so then If I wanted a cake ...white frosting 16" X 16" X 16" with read lettering that read white power baked at the bakery owned by a black couple in thier mid to late 60's I would not be imposing on them and they should be happy to get my business ? or should I understand how they may feel about it and go to another bakery ?
Godfather.
Is it illegal for them to refuse to make the cake based on what you want it to say?
really ? what ever happened to the bakery owners that refused to bake a wedding cake for same sex ....people ? it was all over the news for a while that there was a fine and they didn't seem to have the right to refuse service anybody.....or does that rule not aply to same sex couples ?
Godfather.
did you really pause and search for a word to describe "same sex........people"?
they are people too.
that would be like me describing people of faith and act like i am searching for a word to describe what they are.
I hate this woman now. I don't want to talk or think about her. She's a nobody.
Well, you still thought, spoke, and wrote about her. So ahe apparently does bother you, that means you're incorrect and do in fact care about her. She's a good woman, lay off her.
And posting pics with the word cunt is very degrading. How would she feel? Would you say that to her face? Didn't think so.
Did you read what I wrote? You obviously have no clue how to comprehend simple sentences. Because your response didn't make any sense.
And the picture pretty much sums up her ideology and her followers. And yes, it is degrading and I would say it to her face.
Why continue to feed the troll? She ignores responses from people, even when they aren't "bullying" her. Doesn't engage in any kind of legitimate debate. Makes the most ridiculous statements I have seen on these boards and has no interest in having an intelligent conversation. She is jerking your chain people. Just ignore it.
I agree. I 100% think JAG is just fucking with us and having a blast doing it... which actually takes some dedication. And it has kept the boards lively I suppose.... the devil's advocate serves some purpose in debate, even when it gets really ridiculous.
I disagree.
You disagree that JAG is just fucking with us, or you disagree that it keeps the board lively?
Or are you just being generally disagreeable.
I disagree that JAG is just Fucking with us. I think she is one of those far right wingers that makes GF seem like an Obama supporter.
I'm not quite convinced. It seems impossible that someone could have views such completely contrarian views on every single topic discussed here, and express them in the way we've seen, and yet have such a ridiculously thin skin.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
I don't care what anyone thinks God's work is supposed to be, partly because no one could know that, namely because God doesn't exist anyway, and also because God has no place in government anyhow, so what difference does it make?? JAG, how do you justify your idea that personal religious belief has any place in government and how the law defines and serves equal rights, and how do you reconcile it with your own apparent respect of the Constitution in other regards? For example, how can you possibly defend your right to free speech or right to bear arms, while supporting opposition to the Constitution based on your religious beliefs?
I guess it's pretty ridiculous of me to expect any kind of logical comment or answer from you about anything at this point, but I keep hoping. I do actually think that you are just a very creative troll who loves to say whatever you feel will get people irritated (i picture you sitting at the computer and chuckling and cackling over how gullible we all are), but even so, I am curious to see what you can come up with as an answer to that question.
I love how when I say something that actually makes sense, I'm called a troll. Why don't you suggest I see a doctor again? I am asked questions and answer them, only to be told I dodge questions. I also said before that when I make a statement, I don't feel the need to defend my statement to death. It's not going to be changed by you.
The difference is that I don't resort to hate and violence, degrading people based on appearance (and then bash others for doing the same thing) insult others religions, etc. maybe that's why I am considered a troll? I make a simple typo, an "n" vs an "m" and it's noted and made fun of in three seperate posts? Again, bullying, and ganging up.
I am open to debating the comments I made. I am not open to answering every question you create to try and discredit the things I say. That's the 4th or 5th time I've said it, continue to say I dodge questions I could care less.
All I've asked is to please respect my religion. It's mocked repeatedly. Jesus died for us, and it's ignored daily. The dude died being beaten to death by people who disagreed with his beliefs. Was that right? Is the actions you're taking any different tha the roams?
Stop calling me and my lord and savior a troll. We're not trolls and were good people. I want to believe you are too but it gets harder and harder every day. I'll pray for you again tonight but I'm losing hope.
All over this board, people make little typos, other people pick up on them in a joking way, and we have a chuckle and then move on. Nobody else calls it "bullying" and "ganging up". That, in part, is why you are considered a troll.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
....so then If I wanted a cake ...white frosting 16" X 16" X 16" with read lettering that read white power baked at the bakery owned by a black couple in thier mid to late 60's I would not be imposing on them and they should be happy to get my business ? or should I understand how they may feel about it and go to another bakery ?
Godfather.
Is it illegal for them to refuse to make the cake based on what you want it to say?
really ? what ever happened to the bakery owners that refused to bake a wedding cake for same sex ....people ? it was all over the news for a while that there was a fine and they didn't seem to have the right to refuse service anybody.....or does that rule not aply to same sex couples ?
Godfather.
did you really pause and search for a word to describe "same sex........people"?
they are people too.
that would be like me describing people of faith and act like i am searching for a word to describe what they are.
I hate this woman now. I don't want to talk or think about her. She's a nobody.
Well, you still thought, spoke, and wrote about her. So ahe apparently does bother you, that means you're incorrect and do in fact care about her. She's a good woman, lay off her.
And posting pics with the word cunt is very degrading. How would she feel? Would you say that to her face? Didn't think so.
Did you read what I wrote? You obviously have no clue how to comprehend simple sentences. Because your response didn't make any sense.
And the picture pretty much sums up her ideology and her followers. And yes, it is degrading and I would say it to her face.
Why continue to feed the troll? She ignores responses from people, even when they aren't "bullying" her. Doesn't engage in any kind of legitimate debate. Makes the most ridiculous statements I have seen on these boards and has no interest in having an intelligent conversation. She is jerking your chain people. Just ignore it.
It's a release.
Trying myself to not attack and maybe point out inaccuracies but mostly soaking in the great things that are happening during our lifetimes.
Will be very interesting to see if this clerk interferes with next license.
She is now saying she won't go against her belief, but will try to create a path that allows the issuing of the license without her name on it. So she is willing to compromise. Fair enough.
Now we will find out if those licenses will be legal. I would say, if she can't perform all the functions of her job for whatever reason, she should just step down.
Ky law rfra law allows for reasonable accomodation. The governor has thus far refused to call the general assembly to emergency session OR issued a temp exec order ( not sure this is even possible) to have the law requiring the clerks signature as the head of the office on a license suspended until the G.A meets in January. As I undrrstand it there are some bills in process but am unsure as to what they are designed for.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
statement from the governor at some point recently..... As found on NPR
Acknowledging that there are "obviously strong feelings on both sides of this issue," Beshear says, "the United States Supreme Court has spoken and same-sex marriage is now legal in Kentucky and the rest of the United States."
But he adds that Kentucky's Legislature "has placed the authority to issue marriage licenses squarely on county clerks by statute," leaving the governor's office with no power in the matter.
After the Supreme Court ruled this summer that same-sex couples have the right to marry, Davis repeatedly filed for a stay that would allow her to refuse marriage licenses to such couples. But with each filing, she was turned away by federal district and appeals courts — including, on Monday, by the Supreme Court.
"The future of the Rowan County clerk is now in the hands of the courts," Beshear said Tuesday. Explaining his decision not to call a special session, the governor added:
"The General Assembly will convene in four months and can make any statutory changes it deems necessary at that time. I see no need to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayers' money calling a special session of the General Assembly when 117 of 120 county clerks are doing their jobs."
from a page called ballotpedia on the Ky General Assembly
The Kentucky General Assembly, also called the Kentucky Legislature, is the state legislature of Kentucky. It is a bicameral legislature, consisting of the upper Kentucky State Senate and the lower Kentucky House of Representatives. Section 33 of the Kentucky Constitution requires that the General Assembly divide the state into 38 Senate and 100 House districts. Districts are required to be as nearly equal in population as possible. Districts can be formed by joining more than one county, but the counties forming a district must be contiguous. Districts must be reviewed every 10 years and be re-divided if necessary.
The General Assembly meets annually in the state capitol building in Frankfort, Kentucky, convening on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in January. In even-numbered years, sessions may not last more than 60 legislative days, and cannot extend beyond April 15. In odd-numbered years, sessions may not last more than 30 legislative days, and cannot extend beyond March 30. Special sessions may be called by the Governor of Kentucky at any time for any duration.
As of September 2015, Kentucky is one of 19 states that is under divided government and is therefore not one of the state government trifectas.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Just sucking away at state funds while grandstanding.
What a champion! We only get a glimpse of it. Imagine the hate filled dinner conversations that occur at her dinner table- right after they ask the Lord to bless their food and make it useful to their bodies?
Just sucking away at state funds while grandstanding.
What a champion! We only get a glimpse of it. Imagine the hate filled dinner conversations that occur at her dinner table- right after they ask the Lord to bless their food and make it useful to their bodies?
what kind of hate filled shit do YOU spew before you cut the first piece of meat?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
My question for all who posted in this thread, who among you is in the middle seeking the compromise.. If you aren't dont answer, your previous posts have spoken loud enough.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Just sucking away at state funds while grandstanding.
What a champion! We only get a glimpse of it. Imagine the hate filled dinner conversations that occur at her dinner table- right after they ask the Lord to bless their food and make it useful to their bodies?
what kind of hate filled shit do YOU spew before you cut the first piece of meat?
I'm not following you? What are you trying to get at?
My question for all who posted in this thread, who among you is in the middle seeking the compromise.. If you aren't dont answer, your previous posts have spoken loud enough.
I am 100% ok with this woman believing what she wants. I just don't believe it has a place in any kind of gov't position. Her personal religion should be just that, personal. Laws govern everyone from all faith and no faith. I am sure she took some kind of an oath to uphold the law. If she placed her hand on a bible and swore to god, good for her. The bible isn't constitutional law. I'm all for standing up for what you believe in whether I agree or not. She's done that. Now she needs to start doing the job she was elected to do or step aside. If the KY government changes the law so she can get around it, that's fine by me too. There shouldn't be any grey area when it comes to issuing legal documents.
Just sucking away at state funds while grandstanding.
What a champion! We only get a glimpse of it. Imagine the hate filled dinner conversations that occur at her dinner table- right after they ask the Lord to bless their food and make it useful to their bodies?
what kind of hate filled shit do YOU spew before you cut the first piece of meat?
I'm not following you? What are you trying to get at?
Well surely given you interest in this case specifically and general disdain of any religion in general , you start your dinners off with hate filled discussions related to these subjects? No?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
My question for all who posted in this thread, who among you is in the middle seeking the compromise.. If you aren't dont answer, your previous posts have spoken loud enough.
I am 100% ok with this woman believing what she wants. I just don't believe it has a place in any kind of gov't position. Her personal religion should be just that, personal. Laws govern everyone from all faith and no faith. I am sure she took some kind of an oath to uphold the law. If she placed her hand on a bible and swore to god, good for her. The bible isn't constitutional law. I'm all for standing up for what you believe in whether I agree or not. She's done that. Now she needs to start doing the job she was elected to do or step aside. If the KY government changes the law so she can get around it, that's fine by me too. There shouldn't be any grey area when it comes to issuing legal documents.
Just sucking away at state funds while grandstanding.
What a champion! We only get a glimpse of it. Imagine the hate filled dinner conversations that occur at her dinner table- right after they ask the Lord to bless their food and make it useful to their bodies?
what kind of hate filled shit do YOU spew before you cut the first piece of meat?
I'm not following you? What are you trying to get at?
Well surely given you interest in this case specifically and general disdain of any religion in general , you start your dinners off with hate filled discussions related to these subjects? No?
No.
You'll have to forgive my confusion. There was a reference to meat in there as well.
And this is quite the stretch on your part. Obviously I've hurt your feelings somewhere along the line. Sorry about that.
1. Stop the personal comments. Now and forever. If someone wants to think this woman is the devil incarnate, they can think it and say it. If someone thinks she's an angel incarnate, they can think it and say it, in rebuttal. That's a discussion...leave the personal attacks out of it. You will likely be banning yourself. 2. Legal discussions in this matter seem to be the main point.
I don't care what anyone thinks God's work is supposed to be, partly because no one could know that, namely because God doesn't exist anyway, and also because God has no place in government anyhow, so what difference does it make?? JAG, how do you justify your idea that personal religious belief has any place in government and how the law defines and serves equal rights, and how do you reconcile it with your own apparent respect of the Constitution in other regards? For example, how can you possibly defend your right to free speech or right to bear arms, while supporting opposition to the Constitution based on your religious beliefs?
I guess it's pretty ridiculous of me to expect any kind of logical comment or answer from you about anything at this point, but I keep hoping. I do actually think that you are just a very creative troll who loves to say whatever you feel will get people irritated (i picture you sitting at the computer and chuckling and cackling over how gullible we all are), but even so, I am curious to see what you can come up with as an answer to that question.
I love how when I say something that actually makes sense, I'm called a troll. Why don't you suggest I see a doctor again? I am asked questions and answer them, only to be told I dodge questions. I also said before that when I make a statement, I don't feel the need to defend my statement to death. It's not going to be changed by you.
The difference is that I don't resort to hate and violence, degrading people based on appearance (and then bash others for doing the same thing) insult others religions, etc. maybe that's why I am considered a troll? I make a simple typo, an "n" vs an "m" and it's noted and made fun of in three seperate posts? Again, bullying, and ganging up.
I am open to debating the comments I made. I am not open to answering every question you create to try and discredit the things I say. That's the 4th or 5th time I've said it, continue to say I dodge questions I could care less.
All I've asked is to please respect my religion. It's mocked repeatedly. Jesus died for us, and it's ignored daily. The dude died being beaten to death by people who disagreed with his beliefs. Was that right? Is the actions you're taking any different tha the roams?
Stop calling me and my lord and savior a troll. We're not trolls and were good people. I want to believe you are too but it gets harder and harder every day. I'll pray for you again tonight but I'm losing hope.
It doesn't seem as though JAG is willing to answer your question, PJSoul, so I will. Throughout history, people have been in agreement with certain laws, whether constitutional or otherwise, while still disagreeing with others. I don't believe it's relevant if those beliefs are religious in nature or not. the point is, laws get changed and changed back all the time, hence all the amendments to the constitution as a living document. for example, many people are pro 1st ammendment, but against the 2nd.
however, if this woman is sworn to uphold the law as stated by the supreme court, she can fight that law all she wants........from the sidelines. she simply cannot perform her duties as an elected official properly if she refuses to perform any portion of it as required by law. there should be no caveat to allow her to hold that position and not have to sign off on same sex licenses. that in itself is excusing discrimination. I don't personally believe that religious discrimination against her applies here either, if that is what she, or those who support her, are saying. the onus of the complaint resides with those receiving/not receiving the service, not those administering it.
ugh....I know we all have our own pet causes....but does this woman really deserve nearly 700 posts of discussion (between two threads) on this board during an election cycle? Wreaks of the kind of divisive / distracting story that keeps us in-fighting instead of up-fighting....this story has probably been as prevalent in my news feed (mostly indy media) as any other world issue for the past few weeks. When you think about it from a big picture perspective, it's not that big a deal...but it does make for a good argument and a great way for everyone to show their moral superiority....
I don't care what anyone thinks God's work is supposed to be, partly because no one could know that, namely because God doesn't exist anyway, and also because God has no place in government anyhow, so what difference does it make?? JAG, how do you justify your idea that personal religious belief has any place in government and how the law defines and serves equal rights, and how do you reconcile it with your own apparent respect of the Constitution in other regards? For example, how can you possibly defend your right to free speech or right to bear arms, while supporting opposition to the Constitution based on your religious beliefs?
I guess it's pretty ridiculous of me to expect any kind of logical comment or answer from you about anything at this point, but I keep hoping. I do actually think that you are just a very creative troll who loves to say whatever you feel will get people irritated (i picture you sitting at the computer and chuckling and cackling over how gullible we all are), but even so, I am curious to see what you can come up with as an answer to that question.
I love how when I say something that actually makes sense, I'm called a troll. Why don't you suggest I see a doctor again? I am asked questions and answer them, only to be told I dodge questions. I also said before that when I make a statement, I don't feel the need to defend my statement to death. It's not going to be changed by you.
The difference is that I don't resort to hate and violence, degrading people based on appearance (and then bash others for doing the same thing) insult others religions, etc. maybe that's why I am considered a troll? I make a simple typo, an "n" vs an "m" and it's noted and made fun of in three seperate posts? Again, bullying, and ganging up.
I am open to debating the comments I made. I am not open to answering every question you create to try and discredit the things I say. That's the 4th or 5th time I've said it, continue to say I dodge questions I could care less.
All I've asked is to please respect my religion. It's mocked repeatedly. Jesus died for us, and it's ignored daily. The dude died being beaten to death by people who disagreed with his beliefs. Was that right? Is the actions you're taking any different tha the roams?
Stop calling me and my lord and savior a troll. We're not trolls and were good people. I want to believe you are too but it gets harder and harder every day. I'll pray for you again tonight but I'm losing hope.
But you just said in another thread that you thought that referee deserved to be attacked.
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Change your signature man,
"it dosen't matter to me what a man dose for a living you understand..
as long as his interest's don't conflict with mine."
it is ripe with errors
You can spell godfather but not does?
You know this correct?
The difference is that I don't resort to hate and violence, degrading people based on appearance (and then bash others for doing the same thing) insult others religions, etc. maybe that's why I am considered a troll? I make a simple typo, an "n" vs an "m" and it's noted and made fun of in three seperate posts? Again, bullying, and ganging up.
I am open to debating the comments I made. I am not open to answering every question you create to try and discredit the things I say. That's the 4th or 5th time I've said it, continue to say I dodge questions I could care less.
All I've asked is to please respect my religion. It's mocked repeatedly. Jesus died for us, and it's ignored daily. The dude died being beaten to death by people who disagreed with his beliefs. Was that right? Is the actions you're taking any different tha the roams?
Stop calling me and my lord and savior a troll. We're not trolls and were good people. I want to believe you are too but it gets harder and harder every day. I'll pray for you again tonight but I'm losing hope.
I am trying to defend her actions and my religion and I'm a dedicated troll. Because I don't agree with you? Or Fox News? Or huffington post?
She's a good woman so please leave her alone. She's not even charged with a crime in connection with this. This is just a bash happy thread. If I started one bashing Obama it would be closed so quick. Doesn't seem fair.
Trying myself to not attack and maybe point out inaccuracies but mostly soaking in the great things that are happening during our lifetimes.
Will be very interesting to see if this clerk interferes with next license.
Agree you are attacked on personal level which sucks but realize it's because your position has angered many for a long time. Don't stop but thicken up the skin.
.....and roll with the punches as our resident mobster God Father does. You have a platform to voice your concerns which is great.
All: if you understand what poster is saying doesn't matter grammar used. Get over it. Many of us use these small new fangled devices. Our eyes getting old and darn autocorrect.
"Michelle Obama 2016".
2016: Lexington and Wrigley 1
no worries here my friend.
Godfather.
Now we will find out if those licenses will be legal. I would say, if she can't perform all the functions of her job for whatever reason, she should just step down.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/09/03/kentucky-clerk-marriage-license-transgender-couple/71634646/
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Acknowledging that there are "obviously strong feelings on both sides of this issue," Beshear says, "the United States Supreme Court has spoken and same-sex marriage is now legal in Kentucky and the rest of the United States."
But he adds that Kentucky's Legislature "has placed the authority to issue marriage licenses squarely on county clerks by statute," leaving the governor's office with no power in the matter.
After the Supreme Court ruled this summer that same-sex couples have the right to marry, Davis repeatedly filed for a stay that would allow her to refuse marriage licenses to such couples. But with each filing, she was turned away by federal district and appeals courts — including, on Monday, by the Supreme Court.
"The future of the Rowan County clerk is now in the hands of the courts," Beshear said Tuesday. Explaining his decision not to call a special session, the governor added:
"The General Assembly will convene in four months and can make any statutory changes it deems necessary at that time. I see no need to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayers' money calling a special session of the General Assembly when 117 of 120 county clerks are doing their jobs."
from a page called ballotpedia on the Ky General Assembly
The Kentucky General Assembly, also called the Kentucky Legislature, is the state legislature of Kentucky. It is a bicameral legislature, consisting of the upper Kentucky State Senate and the lower Kentucky House of Representatives.
Section 33 of the Kentucky Constitution requires that the General Assembly divide the state into 38 Senate and 100 House districts. Districts are required to be as nearly equal in population as possible. Districts can be formed by joining more than one county, but the counties forming a district must be contiguous. Districts must be reviewed every 10 years and be re-divided if necessary.
The General Assembly meets annually in the state capitol building in Frankfort, Kentucky, convening on the first Tuesday after the first Monday in January. In even-numbered years, sessions may not last more than 60 legislative days, and cannot extend beyond April 15. In odd-numbered years, sessions may not last more than 30 legislative days, and cannot extend beyond March 30. Special sessions may be called by the Governor of Kentucky at any time for any duration.
As of September 2015, Kentucky is one of 19 states that is under divided government and is therefore not one of the state government trifectas.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
What a champion! We only get a glimpse of it. Imagine the hate filled dinner conversations that occur at her dinner table- right after they ask the Lord to bless their food and make it useful to their bodies?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
You'll have to forgive my confusion. There was a reference to meat in there as well.
And this is quite the stretch on your part. Obviously I've hurt your feelings somewhere along the line. Sorry about that.
1. Stop the personal comments. Now and forever. If someone wants to think this woman is the devil incarnate, they can think it and say it. If someone thinks she's an angel incarnate, they can think it and say it, in rebuttal. That's a discussion...leave the personal attacks out of it. You will likely be banning yourself.
2. Legal discussions in this matter seem to be the main point.
however, if this woman is sworn to uphold the law as stated by the supreme court, she can fight that law all she wants........from the sidelines. she simply cannot perform her duties as an elected official properly if she refuses to perform any portion of it as required by law. there should be no caveat to allow her to hold that position and not have to sign off on same sex licenses. that in itself is excusing discrimination. I don't personally believe that religious discrimination against her applies here either, if that is what she, or those who support her, are saying. the onus of the complaint resides with those receiving/not receiving the service, not those administering it.
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