I can respect the fact that someone has strong beliefs, even beliefs I disagree with, if they don't harm other people. But most people faced with the dilemma of standing up for their beliefs or doing their job would find another job. If someone is elected to office, they're probably more likely to face decisions and compromises than us regular working stiffs, but they choose to run for office and that comes with the territory.
Davis has a pretty good gig. She gets a very good salary in a locale where there aren't a lot of job opportunities, from what I can tell. She still collects her salary for the time she spent in jail. Why should she resign? Even if she's sent back to jail, she still gets paid while claiming that she's persecuted for her conscience. She can't be forced out until the legislature meets and the governor has said he won't call a special session before they meet in January. She has very little to lose by continuing her behavior during the next few months. She might want to polish up her resume though, although I have a feeling she'll have plenty of job offers from her supporters.
Remember in Civics class where we learned that Congress makes the laws and the Supreme Court interprets them? Ok, in 1996, President Clinton signed the Defense Of Marriage Act (DOMA) into Federal law stating that marriag was between a man and a woman. There was no Federal Law concerning marriage prior to that, so DOMA became THE Federal statute pertaining to marriage. The Supreme Court ruled in 2013 that PART of DOMA was unconstitutional and some states voted to allow same sex marriage. However, they were in conflict with the remaining articles of DOMA. The way Federal Laws work is that state law can be MORE restrictive but it cannot be less restrictive than Federal law. So, some states, who voted to recognize same sex marriage were in conflict with Federal Law. Which is the reason the Supreme Court heard the issue again this year. We all know their decision. But, what we apparently forgot is that since they can't make law, their decision to declare DOMA unconstitutional resulted in there being NO federal law concerning marriage. Which means, jurisdiction falls to the state. And what that means boys and girls is that Kim Davis IS NOT in violation of ANY law by refusing to issue marriage licenses after the SCOTUS ruling. In fact, if she had issued a license to a same sex couple, she would have been in violation of the state laws of Kentucky, which had voted no on the issue. Congress failed to be prepared to handle the situation resulting from SCOTUS striking down DOMA by writing a new Federal Law so we are left with the issue being handled at a state level. In the states that voted no on this issue, same sex marriage is not Federally protected. Like it or not, agree with it or not, that's the way the law works in this country.
soooo... I posted this( what a shame, I always tell people "believe as you wish" watch what happens as this country looses it's faith in God.) then many of you became afraid and attacked like scard children in a school yard, if you're all so sure of your selfs why the all the attacks ? as I've said in the past "one day you will find the truth" and I hope it's not too late at that point but till then believe as you wish.
soooo... I posted this( what a shame, I always tell people "believe as you wish" watch what happens as this country looses it's faith in God.) then many of you became afraid and attacked like scard children in a school yard, if you're all so sure of your selfs why the all the attacks ? as I've said in the past "one day you will find the truth" and I hope it's not too late at that point but till then believe as you wish.
soooo... I posted this( what a shame, I always tell people "believe as you wish" watch what happens as this country looses it's faith in God.) then many of you became afraid and attacked like scard children in a school yard, if you're all so sure of your selfs why the all the attacks ? as I've said in the past "one day you will find the truth" and I hope it's not too late at that point but till then believe as you wish.
It's only a thought that makes it seem right; what you don't see is because of your sight.
Save the whales!
back in the 80's there was a bumper sticker going around that read "nuke the gay whales for world peace"....a sarcastic all in one bumper sticker but stll today sarcasism is king, we don't need facts to back up a sarcastic remark right ?
Remember in Civics class where we learned that Congress makes the laws and the Supreme Court interprets them? Ok, in 1996, President Clinton signed the Defense Of Marriage Act (DOMA) into Federal law stating that marriag was between a man and a woman. There was no Federal Law concerning marriage prior to that, so DOMA became THE Federal statute pertaining to marriage. The Supreme Court ruled in 2013 that PART of DOMA was unconstitutional and some states voted to allow same sex marriage. However, they were in conflict with the remaining articles of DOMA. The way Federal Laws work is that state law can be MORE restrictive but it cannot be less restrictive than Federal law. So, some states, who voted to recognize same sex marriage were in conflict with Federal Law. Which is the reason the Supreme Court heard the issue again this year. We all know their decision. But, what we apparently forgot is that since they can't make law, their decision to declare DOMA unconstitutional resulted in there being NO federal law concerning marriage. Which means, jurisdiction falls to the state. And what that means boys and girls is that Kim Davis IS NOT in violation of ANY law by refusing to issue marriage licenses after the SCOTUS ruling. In fact, if she had issued a license to a same sex couple, she would have been in violation of the state laws of Kentucky, which had voted no on the issue. Congress failed to be prepared to handle the situation resulting from SCOTUS striking down DOMA by writing a new Federal Law so we are left with the issue being handled at a state level. In the states that voted no on this issue, same sex marriage is not Federally protected. Like it or not, agree with it or not, that's the way the law works in this country.
soooo... I posted this( what a shame, I always tell people "believe as you wish" watch what happens as this country looses it's faith in God.) then many of you became afraid and attacked like scard children in a school yard, if you're all so sure of your selfs why the all the attacks ? as I've said in the past "one day you will find the truth" and I hope it's not too late at that point but till then believe as you wish.
Godfather.
Who's behaving like a scard child? What the hell is a scard child?
Remember in Civics class where we learned that Congress makes the laws and the Supreme Court interprets them? Ok, in 1996, President Clinton signed the Defense Of Marriage Act (DOMA) into Federal law stating that marriag was between a man and a woman. There was no Federal Law concerning marriage prior to that, so DOMA became THE Federal statute pertaining to marriage. The Supreme Court ruled in 2013 that PART of DOMA was unconstitutional and some states voted to allow same sex marriage. However, they were in conflict with the remaining articles of DOMA. The way Federal Laws work is that state law can be MORE restrictive but it cannot be less restrictive than Federal law. So, some states, who voted to recognize same sex marriage were in conflict with Federal Law. Which is the reason the Supreme Court heard the issue again this year. We all know their decision. But, what we apparently forgot is that since they can't make law, their decision to declare DOMA unconstitutional resulted in there being NO federal law concerning marriage. Which means, jurisdiction falls to the state. And what that means boys and girls is that Kim Davis IS NOT in violation of ANY law by refusing to issue marriage licenses after the SCOTUS ruling. In fact, if she had issued a license to a same sex couple, she would have been in violation of the state laws of Kentucky, which had voted no on the issue. Congress failed to be prepared to handle the situation resulting from SCOTUS striking down DOMA by writing a new Federal Law so we are left with the issue being handled at a state level. In the states that voted no on this issue, same sex marriage is not Federally protected. Like it or not, agree with it or not, that's the way the law works in this country.
You should probably credit whoever wrote this GF.
Sounds like the argument that Kim Davis's lawyer is trying to make, and which everyone has already discounted as ridiculous. Nice try GF.
From CBS News:
"Legal experts, however, told NBC News that's a false argument.
"A Supreme Court decision is the law. Full stop," said Jeffrey Fisher, a Stanford University law professor and expert on Supreme Court practice. "When the Supreme Court interprets the Constitution, the Supreme Court's words become the law," he added.
Steve Vladeck, a professor at the American University Washington College of Law specializing in federal jurisdiction and constitutional law, agreed. But either way, Vladek said, the argument about the Supreme Court is irrelevant.
"She's being held in contempt because she's refusing to follow a district court decision in a suit to which she is a party, holding that same-sex couples have a right to obtain marriage licenses from her," Vladek said. "It's hard to think of any way in which she could be more directly violating a judicial judgment by which she is bound."
It was related to the lyrics, GF. And how a gay person can belt them out so beautifully where their sexuality is irrelevant. They, in who they are, are relevant.
I will say this though, and speaking of how words can affect - I shall quote one of Joni's from Carey - "oh you're a mean old daddy, but I like you". I do. You piss me the hell off sometimes but I know there are other GF spectrums that surpass specific issues.
Remember in Civics class where we learned that Congress makes the laws and the Supreme Court interprets them? Ok, in 1996, President Clinton signed the Defense Of Marriage Act (DOMA) into Federal law stating that marriag was between a man and a woman. There was no Federal Law concerning marriage prior to that, so DOMA became THE Federal statute pertaining to marriage. The Supreme Court ruled in 2013 that PART of DOMA was unconstitutional and some states voted to allow same sex marriage. However, they were in conflict with the remaining articles of DOMA. The way Federal Laws work is that state law can be MORE restrictive but it cannot be less restrictive than Federal law. So, some states, who voted to recognize same sex marriage were in conflict with Federal Law. Which is the reason the Supreme Court heard the issue again this year. We all know their decision. But, what we apparently forgot is that since they can't make law, their decision to declare DOMA unconstitutional resulted in there being NO federal law concerning marriage. Which means, jurisdiction falls to the state. And what that means boys and girls is that Kim Davis IS NOT in violation of ANY law by refusing to issue marriage licenses after the SCOTUS ruling. In fact, if she had issued a license to a same sex couple, she would have been in violation of the state laws of Kentucky, which had voted no on the issue. Congress failed to be prepared to handle the situation resulting from SCOTUS striking down DOMA by writing a new Federal Law so we are left with the issue being handled at a state level. In the states that voted no on this issue, same sex marriage is not Federally protected. Like it or not, agree with it or not, that's the way the law works in this country.
^^^This is factually false.
Here is the Supreme Court ruling:
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
Syllabus
OBERGEFELL ET AL. v. HODGES, DIRECTOR, OHIO DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, ET AL.
CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE SIXTH CIRCUIT
No. 14–556. Argued April 28, 2015—Decided June 26, 2015*
Michigan, Kentucky, Ohio, and Tennessee define marriage as a union between one man and one woman. The petitioners, 14 same-sex couples and two men whose same-sex partners are deceased, filed suits in Federal District Courts in their home States, claiming that respondent state officials violate the Fourteenth Amendment by denying them the right to marry or to have marriages lawfully performed in another State given full recognition. Each District Court ruled in petitioners’ favor, but the Sixth Circuit consolidated the cases and reversed.
Held: The Fourteenth Amendment requires a State to license a marriage between two people of the same sex and to recognize a marriage between two people of the same sex when their marriage was lawfully licensed and performed out-of-State. Pp. 3–28.
Remember in Civics class where we learned that Congress makes the laws and the Supreme Court interprets them? Ok, in 1996, President Clinton signed the Defense Of Marriage Act (DOMA) into Federal law stating that marriag was between a man and a woman. There was no Federal Law concerning marriage prior to that, so DOMA became THE Federal statute pertaining to marriage. The Supreme Court ruled in 2013 that PART of DOMA was unconstitutional and some states voted to allow same sex marriage. However, they were in conflict with the remaining articles of DOMA. The way Federal Laws work is that state law can be MORE restrictive but it cannot be less restrictive than Federal law. So, some states, who voted to recognize same sex marriage were in conflict with Federal Law. Which is the reason the Supreme Court heard the issue again this year. We all know their decision. But, what we apparently forgot is that since they can't make law, their decision to declare DOMA unconstitutional resulted in there being NO federal law concerning marriage. Which means, jurisdiction falls to the state. And what that means boys and girls is that Kim Davis IS NOT in violation of ANY law by refusing to issue marriage licenses after the SCOTUS ruling. In fact, if she had issued a license to a same sex couple, she would have been in violation of the state laws of Kentucky, which had voted no on the issue. Congress failed to be prepared to handle the situation resulting from SCOTUS striking down DOMA by writing a new Federal Law so we are left with the issue being handled at a state level. In the states that voted no on this issue, same sex marriage is not Federally protected. Like it or not, agree with it or not, that's the way the law works in this country.
14th Amendment gf. Equal protection under the law. Has been interpreted now to include marriage equality.
Btw, where was this copied from? No typos so it aint yours
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
....so then If I wanted a cake ...white frosting 16" X 16" X 16" with read lettering that read white power baked at the bakery owned by a black couple in thier mid to late 60's I would not be imposing on them and they should be happy to get my business ? or should I understand how they may feel about it and go to another bakery ?
Godfather.
Is it illegal for them to refuse to make the cake based on what you want it to say?
really ? what ever happened to the bakery owners that refused to bake a wedding cake for same sex ....people ? it was all over the news for a while that there was a fine and they didn't seem to have the right to refuse service anybody.....or does that rule not aply to same sex couples ?
Godfather.
did you really pause and search for a word to describe "same sex........people"?
they are people too.
that would be like me describing people of faith and act like i am searching for a word to describe what they are.
I hate this woman now. I don't want to talk or think about her. She's a nobody.
Well, you still thought, spoke, and wrote about her. So ahe apparently does bother you, that means you're incorrect and do in fact care about her. She's a good woman, lay off her.
And posting pics with the word cunt is very degrading. How would she feel? Would you say that to her face? Didn't think so.
Did you read what I wrote? You obviously have no clue how to comprehend simple sentences. Because your response didn't make any sense.
And the picture pretty much sums up her ideology and her followers. And yes, it is degrading and I would say it to her face.
....so then If I wanted a cake ...white frosting 16" X 16" X 16" with read lettering that read white power baked at the bakery owned by a black couple in thier mid to late 60's I would not be imposing on them and they should be happy to get my business ? or should I understand how they may feel about it and go to another bakery ?
Godfather.
Is it illegal for them to refuse to make the cake based on what you want it to say?
really ? what ever happened to the bakery owners that refused to bake a wedding cake for same sex ....people ? it was all over the news for a while that there was a fine and they didn't seem to have the right to refuse service anybody.....or does that rule not aply to same sex couples ?
Godfather.
did you really pause and search for a word to describe "same sex........people"?
they are people too.
that would be like me describing people of faith and act like i am searching for a word to describe what they are.
I hate this woman now. I don't want to talk or think about her. She's a nobody.
Well, you still thought, spoke, and wrote about her. So ahe apparently does bother you, that means you're incorrect and do in fact care about her. She's a good woman, lay off her.
And posting pics with the word cunt is very degrading. How would she feel? Would you say that to her face? Didn't think so.
Did you read what I wrote? You obviously have no clue how to comprehend simple sentences. Because your response didn't make any sense.
And the picture pretty much sums up her ideology and her followers. And yes, it is degrading and I would say it to her face.
Why continue to feed the troll? She ignores responses from people, even when they aren't "bullying" her. Doesn't engage in any kind of legitimate debate. Makes the most ridiculous statements I have seen on these boards and has no interest in having an intelligent conversation. She is jerking your chain people. Just ignore it.
And guess what, I just got home from church. Yep, I go to church, I believe in God, I respect anyone's right to believe in God or not. It's a personal decision and none of my business.
Enkidu,
Thank you for this. Not all of us who attend church look at people with bigotry and hate. You said it best when you said that you respect anyone's right to believe in God or not. I have so many wonderful friends who don't believe in God. You know what? There are times that we have some great religious discussions and we all learn great things from each other. We have mutual respect.
I would rather go forth in love and learn from each other than to go forth in hate and judgment.
Isn't that what we are here for? We discuss things. We learn from each other.
And guess what, I just got home from church. Yep, I go to church, I believe in God, I respect anyone's right to believe in God or not. It's a personal decision and none of my business.
Enkidu,
Thank you for this. Not all of us who attend church look at people with bigotry and hate. You said it best when you said that you respect anyone's right to believe in God or not. I have so many wonderful friends who don't believe in God. You know what? There are times that we have some great religious discussions and we all learn great things from each other. We have mutual respect.
I would rather go forth in love and learn from each other than to go forth in hate and judgment.
Isn't that what we are here for? We discuss things. We learn from each other.
It's only a thought that makes it seem right; what you don't see is because of your sight.
Save the whales!
back in the 80's there was a bumper sticker going around that read "nuke the gay whales for world peace"....a sarcastic all in one bumper sticker but stll today sarcasism is king, we don't need facts to back up a sarcastic remark right ?
Godfather.
Forget about all that troll stuff. I want to know how many people have had a case of sarcasism?
....so then If I wanted a cake ...white frosting 16" X 16" X 16" with read lettering that read white power baked at the bakery owned by a black couple in thier mid to late 60's I would not be imposing on them and they should be happy to get my business ? or should I understand how they may feel about it and go to another bakery ?
Godfather.
Is it illegal for them to refuse to make the cake based on what you want it to say?
really ? what ever happened to the bakery owners that refused to bake a wedding cake for same sex ....people ? it was all over the news for a while that there was a fine and they didn't seem to have the right to refuse service anybody.....or does that rule not aply to same sex couples ?
Godfather.
did you really pause and search for a word to describe "same sex........people"?
they are people too.
that would be like me describing people of faith and act like i am searching for a word to describe what they are.
I hate this woman now. I don't want to talk or think about her. She's a nobody.
Well, you still thought, spoke, and wrote about her. So ahe apparently does bother you, that means you're incorrect and do in fact care about her. She's a good woman, lay off her.
And posting pics with the word cunt is very degrading. How would she feel? Would you say that to her face? Didn't think so.
Did you read what I wrote? You obviously have no clue how to comprehend simple sentences. Because your response didn't make any sense.
And the picture pretty much sums up her ideology and her followers. And yes, it is degrading and I would say it to her face.
Why continue to feed the troll? She ignores responses from people, even when they aren't "bullying" her. Doesn't engage in any kind of legitimate debate. Makes the most ridiculous statements I have seen on these boards and has no interest in having an intelligent conversation. She is jerking your chain people. Just ignore it.
I agree. I 100% think JAG is just fucking with us and having a blast doing it... which actually takes some dedication. And it has kept the boards lively I suppose.... the devil's advocate serves some purpose in debate, even when it gets really ridiculous.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
....so then If I wanted a cake ...white frosting 16" X 16" X 16" with read lettering that read white power baked at the bakery owned by a black couple in thier mid to late 60's I would not be imposing on them and they should be happy to get my business ? or should I understand how they may feel about it and go to another bakery ?
Godfather.
Is it illegal for them to refuse to make the cake based on what you want it to say?
really ? what ever happened to the bakery owners that refused to bake a wedding cake for same sex ....people ? it was all over the news for a while that there was a fine and they didn't seem to have the right to refuse service anybody.....or does that rule not aply to same sex couples ?
Godfather.
did you really pause and search for a word to describe "same sex........people"?
they are people too.
that would be like me describing people of faith and act like i am searching for a word to describe what they are.
I hate this woman now. I don't want to talk or think about her. She's a nobody.
Well, you still thought, spoke, and wrote about her. So ahe apparently does bother you, that means you're incorrect and do in fact care about her. She's a good woman, lay off her.
And posting pics with the word cunt is very degrading. How would she feel? Would you say that to her face? Didn't think so.
Did you read what I wrote? You obviously have no clue how to comprehend simple sentences. Because your response didn't make any sense.
And the picture pretty much sums up her ideology and her followers. And yes, it is degrading and I would say it to her face.
Why continue to feed the troll? She ignores responses from people, even when they aren't "bullying" her. Doesn't engage in any kind of legitimate debate. Makes the most ridiculous statements I have seen on these boards and has no interest in having an intelligent conversation. She is jerking your chain people. Just ignore it.
I agree. I 100% think JAG is just fucking with us and having a blast doing it... which actually takes some dedication. And it has kept the boards lively I suppose.... the devil's advocate serves some purpose in debate, even when it gets really ridiculous.
....so then If I wanted a cake ...white frosting 16" X 16" X 16" with read lettering that read white power baked at the bakery owned by a black couple in thier mid to late 60's I would not be imposing on them and they should be happy to get my business ? or should I understand how they may feel about it and go to another bakery ?
Godfather.
Is it illegal for them to refuse to make the cake based on what you want it to say?
really ? what ever happened to the bakery owners that refused to bake a wedding cake for same sex ....people ? it was all over the news for a while that there was a fine and they didn't seem to have the right to refuse service anybody.....or does that rule not aply to same sex couples ?
Godfather.
did you really pause and search for a word to describe "same sex........people"?
they are people too.
that would be like me describing people of faith and act like i am searching for a word to describe what they are.
I hate this woman now. I don't want to talk or think about her. She's a nobody.
Well, you still thought, spoke, and wrote about her. So ahe apparently does bother you, that means you're incorrect and do in fact care about her. She's a good woman, lay off her.
And posting pics with the word cunt is very degrading. How would she feel? Would you say that to her face? Didn't think so.
Did you read what I wrote? You obviously have no clue how to comprehend simple sentences. Because your response didn't make any sense.
And the picture pretty much sums up her ideology and her followers. And yes, it is degrading and I would say it to her face.
Why continue to feed the troll? She ignores responses from people, even when they aren't "bullying" her. Doesn't engage in any kind of legitimate debate. Makes the most ridiculous statements I have seen on these boards and has no interest in having an intelligent conversation. She is jerking your chain people. Just ignore it.
I agree. I 100% think JAG is just fucking with us and having a blast doing it... which actually takes some dedication. And it has kept the boards lively I suppose.... the devil's advocate serves some purpose in debate, even when it gets really ridiculous.
I disagree.
You disagree that JAG is just fucking with us, or you disagree that it keeps the board lively?
Or are you just being generally disagreeable.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
Remember in Civics class where we learned that Congress makes the laws and the Supreme Court interprets them? Ok, in 1996, President Clinton signed the Defense Of Marriage Act (DOMA) into Federal law stating that marriag was between a man and a woman. There was no Federal Law concerning marriage prior to that, so DOMA became THE Federal statute pertaining to marriage. The Supreme Court ruled in 2013 that PART of DOMA was unconstitutional and some states voted to allow same sex marriage. However, they were in conflict with the remaining articles of DOMA. The way Federal Laws work is that state law can be MORE restrictive but it cannot be less restrictive than Federal law. So, some states, who voted to recognize same sex marriage were in conflict with Federal Law. Which is the reason the Supreme Court heard the issue again this year. We all know their decision. But, what we apparently forgot is that since they can't make law, their decision to declare DOMA unconstitutional resulted in there being NO federal law concerning marriage. Which means, jurisdiction falls to the state. And what that means boys and girls is that Kim Davis IS NOT in violation of ANY law by refusing to issue marriage licenses after the SCOTUS ruling. In fact, if she had issued a license to a same sex couple, she would have been in violation of the state laws of Kentucky, which had voted no on the issue. Congress failed to be prepared to handle the situation resulting from SCOTUS striking down DOMA by writing a new Federal Law so we are left with the issue being handled at a state level. In the states that voted no on this issue, same sex marriage is not Federally protected. Like it or not, agree with it or not, that's the way the law works in this country.
You should probably credit whoever wrote this GF.
you know my spelling and grammer would never last that long LOL ! if I knew who did I'd never give up the name on this place.
It's only a thought that makes it seem right; what you don't see is because of your sight.
Save the whales!
back in the 80's there was a bumper sticker going around that read "nuke the gay whales for world peace"....a sarcastic all in one bumper sticker but stll today sarcasism is king, we don't need facts to back up a sarcastic remark right ?
Godfather.
Forget about all that troll stuff. I want to know how many people have had a case of sarcasism?
That would suck, man.
HAHHAHHAHHAHHA ! I believe it has run wild here on the train LOL !!!! put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up.
Remember in Civics class where we learned that Congress makes the laws and the Supreme Court interprets them? Ok, in 1996, President Clinton signed the Defense Of Marriage Act (DOMA) into Federal law stating that marriag was between a man and a woman. There was no Federal Law concerning marriage prior to that, so DOMA became THE Federal statute pertaining to marriage. The Supreme Court ruled in 2013 that PART of DOMA was unconstitutional and some states voted to allow same sex marriage. However, they were in conflict with the remaining articles of DOMA. The way Federal Laws work is that state law can be MORE restrictive but it cannot be less restrictive than Federal law. So, some states, who voted to recognize same sex marriage were in conflict with Federal Law. Which is the reason the Supreme Court heard the issue again this year. We all know their decision. But, what we apparently forgot is that since they can't make law, their decision to declare DOMA unconstitutional resulted in there being NO federal law concerning marriage. Which means, jurisdiction falls to the state. And what that means boys and girls is that Kim Davis IS NOT in violation of ANY law by refusing to issue marriage licenses after the SCOTUS ruling. In fact, if she had issued a license to a same sex couple, she would have been in violation of the state laws of Kentucky, which had voted no on the issue. Congress failed to be prepared to handle the situation resulting from SCOTUS striking down DOMA by writing a new Federal Law so we are left with the issue being handled at a state level. In the states that voted no on this issue, same sex marriage is not Federally protected. Like it or not, agree with it or not, that's the way the law works in this country.
14th Amendment gf. Equal protection under the law. Has been interpreted now to include marriage equality.
Btw, where was this copied from? No typos so it aint yours
Remember in Civics class where we learned that Congress makes the laws and the Supreme Court interprets them? Ok, in 1996, President Clinton signed the Defense Of Marriage Act (DOMA) into Federal law stating that marriag was between a man and a woman. There was no Federal Law concerning marriage prior to that, so DOMA became THE Federal statute pertaining to marriage. The Supreme Court ruled in 2013 that PART of DOMA was unconstitutional and some states voted to allow same sex marriage. However, they were in conflict with the remaining articles of DOMA. The way Federal Laws work is that state law can be MORE restrictive but it cannot be less restrictive than Federal law. So, some states, who voted to recognize same sex marriage were in conflict with Federal Law. Which is the reason the Supreme Court heard the issue again this year. We all know their decision. But, what we apparently forgot is that since they can't make law, their decision to declare DOMA unconstitutional resulted in there being NO federal law concerning marriage. Which means, jurisdiction falls to the state. And what that means boys and girls is that Kim Davis IS NOT in violation of ANY law by refusing to issue marriage licenses after the SCOTUS ruling. In fact, if she had issued a license to a same sex couple, she would have been in violation of the state laws of Kentucky, which had voted no on the issue. Congress failed to be prepared to handle the situation resulting from SCOTUS striking down DOMA by writing a new Federal Law so we are left with the issue being handled at a state level. In the states that voted no on this issue, same sex marriage is not Federally protected. Like it or not, agree with it or not, that's the way the law works in this country.
14th Amendment gf. Equal protection under the law. Has been interpreted now to include marriage equality.
Btw, where was this copied from? No typos so it aint yours
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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Remember in Civics class where we learned that Congress makes the laws and the Supreme Court interprets them?
Ok, in 1996, President Clinton signed the Defense Of Marriage Act (DOMA) into Federal law stating that marriag was between a man and a woman. There was no Federal Law concerning marriage prior to that, so DOMA became THE Federal statute pertaining to marriage.
The Supreme Court ruled in 2013 that PART of DOMA was unconstitutional and some states voted to allow same sex marriage. However, they were in conflict with the remaining articles of DOMA.
The way Federal Laws work is that state law can be MORE restrictive but it cannot be less restrictive than Federal law. So, some states, who voted to recognize same sex marriage were in conflict with Federal Law.
Which is the reason the Supreme Court heard the issue again this year. We all know their decision. But, what we apparently forgot is that since they can't make law, their decision to declare DOMA unconstitutional resulted in there being NO federal law concerning marriage.
Which means, jurisdiction falls to the state. And what that means boys and girls is that Kim Davis IS NOT in violation of ANY law by refusing to issue marriage licenses after the SCOTUS ruling.
In fact, if she had issued a license to a same sex couple, she would have been in violation of the state laws of Kentucky, which had voted no on the issue.
Congress failed to be prepared to handle the situation resulting from SCOTUS striking down DOMA by writing a new Federal Law so we are left with the issue being handled at a state level.
In the states that voted no on this issue, same sex marriage is not Federally protected.
Like it or not, agree with it or not, that's the way the law works in this country.
as I've said in the past "one day you will find the truth" and I hope it's not too late at that point but till then believe as you wish.
Godfather.
Save the whales!
Godfather.
(it's a cold and broken Hallelujah)
Godfather.
"nuke the gay whales for world peace"....a sarcastic all in one bumper sticker but stll today sarcasism is king, we don't need facts to back up a sarcastic remark right ?
Godfather.
Is God exclusive to the US?
From CBS News:
"Legal experts, however, told NBC News that's a false argument.
"A Supreme Court decision is the law. Full stop," said Jeffrey Fisher, a Stanford University law professor and expert on Supreme Court practice. "When the Supreme Court interprets the Constitution, the Supreme Court's words become the law," he added.
Steve Vladeck, a professor at the American University Washington College of Law specializing in federal jurisdiction and constitutional law, agreed. But either way, Vladek said, the argument about the Supreme Court is irrelevant.
"She's being held in contempt because she's refusing to follow a district court decision in a suit to which she is a party, holding that same-sex couples have a right to obtain marriage licenses from her," Vladek said. "It's hard to think of any way in which she could be more directly violating a judicial judgment by which she is bound."
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kim-davis-supporters-say-kentucky-clerk-isnt-breaking-law-defying-n422376
I will say this though, and speaking of how words can affect - I shall quote one of Joni's from Carey - "oh you're a mean old daddy, but I like you". I do. You piss me the hell off sometimes but I know there are other GF spectrums that surpass specific issues.
And pfffft to PJfan.
or is it this? I can't tell coming from you
Here is the Supreme Court ruling:
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
Syllabus
OBERGEFELL ET AL. v. HODGES, DIRECTOR, OHIO
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, ET AL.
CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR
THE SIXTH CIRCUIT
No. 14–556. Argued April 28, 2015—Decided June 26, 2015*
Michigan, Kentucky, Ohio, and Tennessee define marriage as a union between one man and one woman. The petitioners, 14 same-sex couples and two men whose same-sex partners are deceased, filed suits in Federal District Courts in their home States, claiming that respondent state officials violate the Fourteenth Amendment by denying them the right to marry or to have marriages lawfully performed in another State given full recognition. Each District Court ruled in petitioners’ favor, but the Sixth Circuit consolidated the cases and reversed.
Held: The Fourteenth Amendment requires a State to license a marriage between two people of the same sex and to recognize a marriage between two people of the same sex when their marriage was lawfully licensed and performed out-of-State. Pp. 3–28.
supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/14-556_3204.pdf
Link provided so you may read it yourself, GF. It is 103 pages long.
Btw, where was this copied from? No typos so it aint yours
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
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Love Beck. Reminds me of Hoon, and White. So incredibly talented and well-spoken.
And the link goes directly to the CC subject, by the way.
And the picture pretty much sums up her ideology and her followers. And yes, it is degrading and I would say it to her face.
Thank you for this. Not all of us who attend church look at people with bigotry and hate. You said it best when you said that you respect anyone's right to believe in God or not. I have so many wonderful friends who don't believe in God. You know what? There are times that we have some great religious discussions and we all learn great things from each other. We have mutual respect.
I would rather go forth in love and learn from each other than to go forth in hate and judgment.
Isn't that what we are here for? We discuss things. We learn from each other.
2016: Lexington and Wrigley 1
That would suck, man.
And it has kept the boards lively I suppose.... the devil's advocate serves some purpose in debate, even when it gets really ridiculous.
Or are you just being generally disagreeable.
Godfather.
Godfather.
Godfather.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14