Migrants rushing Europian Borders

What other destabilizing governments and entities?
Do any other countries overthrow governments or work to do so thru proxies? It happens, but extremely rarely, and if any other country does so it is almost exclusively a neighbour and the result of a border conflict of some sort...or a reaction to provocations that may or may not have had western involvement. It's not a government on the other side of the world who poses no threat.
Tell me who you're talking about; give me an example and I'll give you an honest assessment.
Americans seem to take this so personally....this isn't an attack on your personal integrity, rr. This is reality: it's macro-gangsterism. Your country is the sole superpower. No military competition whatsoever. It's not even close. When a country wants to fuck with another country, they ok it with the US. They don't have the power to fuck with the other country, they ask for US support (at a cost). They do so without US support, they risk incurring the wrath of the sole superpower. If the nations in question have any dealings with the US (which most do in some form), the balance cannot be upset unless it somehow benefits the US. The U.S. Also holds enormous sway due to their purchasing power (trade threats). It's just the way it is man! If you read the article I posted, and followed the links it provided, you'd see that the radicals you speak of have been used as a means to an end BY THE US. Divide and conquer. Yes they're a problem but the problem is exacerbated by U.S. - Allied support.
And yes, the media is largely at fault because they frame the narrative of war as humanitarian, or criticize mostly from a partisan approach, or refuse to rock the boat and lose a press pass or whatever.

rr165892 said:

Destabilizing factors like military coups,splinter groups,Rebels,Warlords,etc.Shit Syria is bombing its own people.Egypt is a big hot political mess.just to name a couple.

AQ,IS and The Taliban have greatly added to the refugee issue in the countries they operate.

Jesus. Chasing my tail here. I've already explained this - on this thread, just a few posts up...ISIS is a US/allied creation. Even if you choose not to believe all the evidence and admissions that show they have been provided logistics, funding and training by the US and their allies, that they're reinforced and led by many of the same foreign mercenaries used in Libya....even if you believe the dumbed-down fox version of events....they are a direct result of the war in Iraq.
AQ was a US creation too, and for similar reason - to fight for US interests.
The US government gave $43 million in aid to the Taliban in 2000 and $132 million in 2001. In negotiations for a pipeline deal, they were told “You either accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs.”....
Egypt...Mubarak was a US puppet for how many decades? They supported him till the bitter end. Did you know the US just resumed supplying arms (heavy arms - tanks and F16s), and billions in aid to Egypt? Of course they did so while 'expressing concerns' over al-sisi's abysmal human rights record. There are US fingerprints all over that country.

I agree with gambs that we absolutely must hold those committing the violence accountable. But in many cases they are not held responsible because they are our allies, or because they have common goals. They are only held responsible if their actions do not align with US interests. It benefits the US to prop up dictators because they can control their populations with greater ease than a democratic leader can. If a dictator won't play ball, we take them out. Do you honestly think the US gets involved in these places out of the kindness of it's heart?

Leezestarr313 said:

It is horrible to read the news from Germany at the moment. The refugee influx has given a certain group of people who are very hostile towards foreigners new forums and support from all kinds of sides. It is especially bad in one state, Saxonia. People are gathering and riot in front of the refugee camps, show their stupidity, intolerance and ignorance on all channels of the social media. It reminds a lot of stuff that happened in the past, and it is horrifying to think about what happens next. I try to catch up with events, but am not always up on everything. From what I am reading, there are certain locations where camps have been set up without getting the vote of the people who live there. The East has a certain history with being hostile to foreigners, oddly enough being an area of Germany where not a lot of them were present for a long time. But it is also happening in the Western part of the country. Not everybody of those rioters would be called a Neonazi, but the tendencies in their thinking and in their words are there. The "concerned citizens", as they have been labelled, try to bring their points of intolerance across by claiming rassist statements that cannot or are not true or to be feared in the least, stating that they are "just concerned". Then the angry mob leads the way and terrible things are happening. It is good to see that this is not something that is everywhere. It is good to see people stepping up, celebrities, politicians, regular people, by having "welcome refugees" fests, donating actions and generally speaking up against this abhorrent display of hate.

It is really sickening to me that racism is growing because those sick fucks see a lot of people, including children, who are desperate and in need. Imagine looking at them and getting angry at them. Just awful. These are evil people who deserve to be excommunicated by all who are decent.

Drowned Out said:

Seems every time I see Iceland in the news, I like that country even more...
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/iceland_could_only_take_in_50_syrian_refugees_10000_icelanders_20150901


Canada is pathetic when it comes to granting asylum or accepting refugees. our government was denied the ability to turn away refugees based on source country by our supreme court this summer.

I am embarrassed by the amount of refugees the Canadian Government has taken in because of this crisis. We should be doing a lot more. I'm glad the leaders were talking about this issue on the campaign trail today.

Also, the media needs to stop calling these people "migrants"

PJ_Soul said:

Yeah, I don't know why these folks are migrants and not refugees all of a sudden. Just because they now want into Europe instead of being cool with sitting in some awful refugee camp in a shit hole desert that Europeans don't have to worry about? Or are some of these people actual migrants (aka potential illegal immigrants), mixed up with refugees??

http://www.aljazeera.com/blogs/editors-blog/2015/08/al-jazeera-mediterranean-migrants-150820082226309.html

gimmesometruth27 said:

Drowned Out said:

I hope you see it as a human crisis and not an immigrant problem.
These are asylum seekers; refugees...
Over 2500 of them have died around the Mediterranean so far this year.
This is what happens when we destabilize entire regions....
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/8/31/preserving_borders_vs_preserving_people_death

republicans and their media masters at fox news do not recognize humanitarian crises until it is happening to americans only. they will tell you that this influx of asylum seekers is a problem for europeans because they do not have the capacity to ask one simple question.

"what is it that these people are running from, and can we possibly help them with that?"

I would change what you said just slightly, because I think they still care at least a bit if asylum seekers are not American, as long as they are white.

gimmesometruth27 said:

PJ_Soul said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Drowned Out said:

I hope you see it as a human crisis and not an immigrant problem.
These are asylum seekers; refugees...
Over 2500 of them have died around the Mediterranean so far this year.
This is what happens when we destabilize entire regions....
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/8/31/preserving_borders_vs_preserving_people_death

republicans and their media masters at fox news do not recognize humanitarian crises until it is happening to americans only. they will tell you that this influx of asylum seekers is a problem for europeans because they do not have the capacity to ask one simple question.

"what is it that these people are running from, and can we possibly help them with that?"

I would change what you said just slightly, because I think they still care at least a bit if asylum seekers are not American, as long as they are white.

to them, these people are all sponges, sucking up money and resources.

That rightfully belong to the corporations and the wealthy

I saw this video on facebook, someone was stuck in traffic in France and they recorded this crowd of young men of color walking through the traffic and opening the back of a truck to try to climb in and sneak across the channel. These people are desperate, and I would not want to be a lorry driver right now.
The headlines at the beginning of summer where they were interviewing British tourists in Greece who were complaining that the refugees were ruining their holiday annoyed the crap out of me.

I dont pretend to have any answers or suggestions here. Europe is in a really tough spot with this. On the one hand you want them to help these people out. On the other hand you don't want to encourage more people to try to get to Europe because you don't want to encourage the human traffickers. Yet you can't go in yourselves to relocate refugees because of that pesky sovereignty issue. And you definitely don't want the strain on your resources.

The drowned boy is heartbreaking.

I can't help it, but I just see my son.

And his 5-year-old brother also drowned.

And that makes me think of my daughter, who just finished her first day of kindergarten.

They are all our people.

The Guardian also had coverage.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/02/shocking-image-of-drowned-syrian-boy-shows-tragic-plight-of-refugees

Interesting read in vice.