What the hell happen in Virginia??
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How many times must it be said? A knife's primary objective is as a cooking utensil, and it cannot murder nearly as quickly as a gun. A car's primary objective is to take a person from point A to point B. Regardless of the motive, a gun's primary objective is to instil fear and to cause injury or death.JUST A GIRL said:mcgruff10 said:my suggestions from another thread on how to curtail gun violence and keeping them out of the wrong hands:
every weapon bought has to be registered with the state and federal government. Before owning a gun you must take a firearm safety course. Before owning a gun you must pass a background check. Before owning a gun you must pass a mental health background check. Before owning your first gun your employer should be contacted to make sure there are no problems. Penalties for straw purchases and selling guns illegally should be enforced and more severe. Educate children (what age I don't know) on what a firearm is, what it can do, what to do if you find one in you house. Educate on safely storing firearms: pass a law that provides a gun lock with every firearm purchase. Here in nj we have a maximum of 15 rounds for a detachable clip but I don't see why a federal policy of max of 30 rounds isn't reasonable. Don't ban any guns, just make sure people are fit to use them responsibly.
to me people don't want background checks because they have something to hide. just my .02.
Or... We could just get rid of guns, right?
I have enjoyed hunting many times and agree that gun owning can be done respectfully.
Again, guns don't kill people, people do. What about all the murders using knives? Cars? Should we ban those also?
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It really is this simple.Smellyman said:guns are made to kill people. That is what they are intended for. It is very strange they are legal at all.
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No where in my post do I give the slightest hint of banning guns. in fact I said don't ban any guns. If you are aJUST A GIRL said:mcgruff10 said:my suggestions from another thread on how to curtail gun violence and keeping them out of the wrong hands:
every weapon bought has to be registered with the state and federal government. Before owning a gun you must take a firearm safety course. Before owning a gun you must pass a background check. Before owning a gun you must pass a mental health background check. Before owning your first gun your employer should be contacted to make sure there are no problems. Penalties for straw purchases and selling guns illegally should be enforced and more severe. Educate children (what age I don't know) on what a firearm is, what it can do, what to do if you find one in you house. Educate on safely storing firearms: pass a law that provides a gun lock with every firearm purchase. Here in nj we have a maximum of 15 rounds for a detachable clip but I don't see why a federal policy of max of 30 rounds isn't reasonable. Don't ban any guns, just make sure people are fit to use them responsibly.
to me people don't want background checks because they have something to hide. just my .02.
Or... We could just get rid of guns, right?
I have enjoyed hunting many times and agree that gun owning can be done respectfully.
Again, guns don't kill people, people do. What about all the murders using knives? Cars? Should we ban those also?
Oh and be sure and cut off hands because those can kill too.
Resonsible gun owner like myself, which of my suggestions do you have an issue with?I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
AMERICA HAS A GUN PROBLEM!! If you don't think so your a fool..thanks for reading."Going where the water tastes like wine!"0
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many good points..but my .02 says go ahead and ban them. People snap..if there are no guns laying around these types of things obviously won't happen.mcgruff10 said:my suggestions from another thread on how to curtail gun violence and keeping them out of the wrong hands:
every weapon bought has to be registered with the state and federal government. Before owning a gun you must take a firearm safety course. Before owning a gun you must pass a background check. Before owning a gun you must pass a mental health background check. Before owning your first gun your employer should be contacted to make sure there are no problems. Penalties for straw purchases and selling guns illegally should be enforced and more severe. Educate children (what age I don't know) on what a firearm is, what it can do, what to do if you find one in you house. Educate on safely storing firearms: pass a law that provides a gun lock with every firearm purchase. Here in nj we have a maximum of 15 rounds for a detachable clip but I don't see why a federal policy of max of 30 rounds isn't reasonable. Don't ban any guns, just make sure people are fit to use them responsibly.
to me people don't want background checks because they have something to hide. just my .02.
I understand your time spent with family is precious.. Take them to a pj show..much better setting!
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the only gun problem I can think of is that I can't afford every gun I'd like to have.
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Sounds more like a personal financial problem..Godfather. said:the only gun problem I can think of is that I can't afford every gun I'd like to have.
Godfather.
AMERICA HAS A GUN PROBLEM!! Thanks for reading.."Going where the water tastes like wine!"0 -
Get your head out of the sand. What's more important - your own naive delusions that everything is better with a well-armed population and government-endorsed right to bear arms, or the fact that this graph shows what it does about a population with guns readily available?Godfather. said:the only gun problem I can think of is that I can't afford every gun I'd like to have.
Godfather.
You're talking about a provable correlation between number of guns in circulation, and fatality rates in the population. America, by this chart, has around nine times the fatality by firearms rate as the next country.
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Please just leave hunting out of this debate if someone wants start s thread about hunting go ahead .....let's keep this on track again weapons & demented people make for a lethal combination this country needs to figure a way to keep these weapons away from them and who ever can't admit what the soul purpose of a gun is for get your head out of your arse ....jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/27/opinions/goddard-virginia-tv-shooting/index.html
(CNN)Early Wednesday morning, Alison Parker and Adam Ward were on assignment in Moneta, Virginia -- Parker as a reporter and Ward as a cameraman. Working for WDBJ7, Roanoke's CBS affiliate, they were working on a story about the 50th anniversary of Smith Mountain Lake and interviewing Vicki Gardner, who leads Smith Mountain Lake's Chamber of Commerce.
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In other words, they were doing their jobs.
Until, in a few terrifying moments on live TV, they weren't.
Instead they became two more victims of our nation's gun violence epidemic. A disgruntled former WDBJ employee shot them both, severely wounding Gardner in the process. It was a chilling look at gun violence in this country, a crisis that kills more than 30,000 Americans each and every year.
Wednesday's horror hit particularly close to home for me, because, like Ward, I, too, am an alum of Virginia Tech. It's conceivable that I could have crossed paths with him during our shared time on the Blacksburg campus. A little over eight years ago I survived the infamous mass shooting at Tech, which is less than 80 miles from where Ward died. Shrapnel is still lodged in my body from that day, but I was lucky to emerge with my life intact. Thirty-two others were killed.
The extremist leadership of the National Rifle Association and other gun lobby groups routinely respond to these incidents with empty platitudes about how "the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun." In light of what transpired Wednesday, I'd like to follow their rhetoric to its logical end by asking them a couple of simple questions that our elected officials answer all too rarely.
Are reporters supposed to keep a revolver in their left hands and hold onto the microphone with their right? Do cameramen avert death if they stare down the sights of an AR-15 with one eye while looking into the camera with the other?
These questions, of course, reveal the absurdly unserious nature of the gun lobby's worldview.
While the details of how the shooter in the televised killing obtained his weapon continue to unfold, we know that requiring background checks on all gun sales would save lives. And yet despite this, gun lobby groups routinely hawk the idea that implementing background checks on all gun sales is overly burdensome to prospective buyers, as if the 90 additional seconds required to make sure the buyer isn't a convicted domestic abuser or dangerously mentally ill is somehow an affront to one's rights.
Try telling that to a family member whose loved one was killed because a gunman avoided a background check. And yet for years, these groups have had enough political clout to scare politicians out of backing common sense reforms. Every year in Virginia, a small group of four gun lobby-backed legislators won't even allow a basic background checks bill out of a House subcommittee.
While checks are required on sales at federally licensed dealers, criminals and other dangerous people can all too easily shirk such checks by purchasing guns from unlicensed strangers -- whether online, at a gun show or elsewhere.
After tragedies like Wednesday's, gun extremists will often try to change the subject. Sometimes they'll suggest it's "too soon" to talk about the bigger-picture policy issues that could help reduce gun violence. They'll say that it would be "irresponsible to politicize" these moments, as if merely discussing ways to prevent future tragedies like these somehow dishonors the victims. If we followed this logic, there would never be a time to have these conversations, because 88 Americans are shot and killed every day.
The truth is, elected officials who aren't willing to take action want these events to recede from the headlines so they can return to the status quo of not standing up to the gun lobby.
It's time for all Americans to come together and ask our lawmakers, "Do you side with the overwhelming number of Americans who support basic gun safety measures or do you side with the gun lobby?"
For the sake of the many Americans whose lives were destroyed during this cruel summer of gun violence -- while doing their jobs, enjoying a night out at the movies, or praying in their house of worship -- we demand that political leaders side the right way and take action to end this crisis.
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good grief, who asked me, who was it that said they wanted all guns removed from America ?benjs said:
Get your head out of the sand. What's more important - your own naive delusions that everything is better with a well-armed population and government-endorsed right to bear arms, or the fact that this graph shows what it does about a population with guns readily available?Godfather. said:the only gun problem I can think of is that I can't afford every gun I'd like to have.
Godfather.
You're talking about a provable correlation between number of guns in circulation, and fatality rates in the population. America, by this chart, has around nine times the fatality by firearms rate as the next country.
nobody on the train ever said that........ right ! too many people think they know whats best for America...even non Americans, all this whinny shit about guns is just a joke to read but hay I'm always up for a good laugh, how about this ..lets enforce the death penalty when murder is commited (not self defence) let's not have a death row, let's just get it done with in say 2 weeks of the sentancing...ohhh shit that's just unfair and too violent right ? we don't want any innocent people killed by mistake right ? but we can sure as shit strip good Americans of thier rights to own guns, you guy's have this micro manage idea to save the world that in the end will come back to bite you on the ass, one freedom at a time...and the best part about it is that you guy's will fall for it every time.
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Edit: Done piling on.Godfather. said:
good grief, who asked me, who was it that said they wanted all guns removed from America ?benjs said:
Get your head out of the sand. What's more important - your own naive delusions that everything is better with a well-armed population and government-endorsed right to bear arms, or the fact that this graph shows what it does about a population with guns readily available?Godfather. said:the only gun problem I can think of is that I can't afford every gun I'd like to have.
Godfather.
You're talking about a provable correlation between number of guns in circulation, and fatality rates in the population. America, by this chart, has around nine times the fatality by firearms rate as the next country.
nobody on the train ever said that........ right ! too many people think they know whats best for America...even non Americans, all this whinny shit about guns is just a joke to read but hay I'm always up for a good laugh, how about this ..lets enforce the death penalty when murder is commited (not self defence) let's not have a death row, let's just get it done with in say 2 weeks of the sentancing...ohhh shit that's just unfair and too violent right ? we don't want any innocent people killed by mistake right ? but we can sure as shit strip good Americans of thier rights to own guns, you guy's have this micro manage idea to save the world that in the end will come back to bite you on the ass, one freedom at a time...and the best part about it is that you guy's will fall for it every time.
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I've never understood this correlation between owning a gun as a weapon and owning a rifle to hunt. Hunters are for the most part responsible gun owners who are using a gun as a tool. They have no allusions that their guns will save them from a phantom attacker. A hunter simply uses his or her rifle to kill an animal quickly and humanely. Conversely, many guns are designed solely to kill other human beings. This fantasy about staving off a killer seems thoroughly American to me. I just don't get it.josevolution said:Please just leave hunting out of this debate if someone wants start s thread about hunting go ahead .....let's keep this on track again weapons & demented people make for a lethal combination this country needs to figure a way to keep these weapons away from them and who ever can't admit what the soul purpose of a gun is for get your head out of your arse ....
If a tool's primary purpose is to kill things, it's inevitable that the successful use of that tool will lead to many intended deaths. It seems absurd to be so opposed to regulating a tool that is fundamentally lethal. If you have a disproportionate number of guns in the hands of your country's people, is it any wonder that there are more gun related deaths in your nation? At this point these murders aren't shocking; they're predictable.0 -
You are comparing executing innocent people to taking hobbies from people.Godfather. said:
good grief, who asked me, who was it that said they wanted all guns removed from America ?benjs said:
Get your head out of the sand. What's more important - your own naive delusions that everything is better with a well-armed population and government-endorsed right to bear arms, or the fact that this graph shows what it does about a population with guns readily available?Godfather. said:the only gun problem I can think of is that I can't afford every gun I'd like to have.
Godfather.
You're talking about a provable correlation between number of guns in circulation, and fatality rates in the population. America, by this chart, has around nine times the fatality by firearms rate as the next country.
nobody on the train ever said that........ right ! too many people think they know whats best for America...even non Americans, all this whinny shit about guns is just a joke to read but hay I'm always up for a good laugh, how about this ..lets enforce the death penalty when murder is commited (not self defence) let's not have a death row, let's just get it done with in say 2 weeks of the sentancing...ohhh shit that's just unfair and too violent right ? we don't want any innocent people killed by mistake right ? but we can sure as shit strip good Americans of thier rights to own guns, you guy's have this micro manage idea to save the world that in the end will come back to bite you on the ass, one freedom at a time...and the best part about it is that you guy's will fall for it every time.
Godfather.
That makes sense in Godfather land, but to those who use logic and reason...Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
That was rather hard to read. By killing someone with a gun you take away the majority of their freedoms. Freedom-schmeedom. You are living in a country that beeps swear words out on tv. America is a paradox.Godfather. said:
good grief, who asked me, who was it that said they wanted all guns removed from America ?
nobody on the train ever said that........ right ! too many people think they know whats best for America...even non Americans, all this whinny shit about guns is just a joke to read but hay I'm always up for a good laugh, how about this ..lets enforce the death penalty when murder is commited (not self defence) let's not have a death row, let's just get it done with in say 2 weeks of the sentancing...ohhh shit that's just unfair and too violent right ? we don't want any innocent people killed by mistake right ? but we can sure as shit strip good Americans of thier rights to own guns, you guy's have this micro manage idea to save the world that in the end will come back to bite you on the ass, one freedom at a time...and the best part about it is that you guy's will fall for it every time.
Godfather.
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I'm not even sure what you're talking about here. Comparing two things that have nothing to do with each other.Godfather. said:
good grief, who asked me, who was it that said they wanted all guns removed from America ?benjs said:
Get your head out of the sand. What's more important - your own naive delusions that everything is better with a well-armed population and government-endorsed right to bear arms, or the fact that this graph shows what it does about a population with guns readily available?Godfather. said:the only gun problem I can think of is that I can't afford every gun I'd like to have.
Godfather.
You're talking about a provable correlation between number of guns in circulation, and fatality rates in the population. America, by this chart, has around nine times the fatality by firearms rate as the next country.
nobody on the train ever said that........ right ! too many people think they know whats best for America...even non Americans, all this whinny shit about guns is just a joke to read but hay I'm always up for a good laugh, how about this ..lets enforce the death penalty when murder is commited (not self defence) let's not have a death row, let's just get it done with in say 2 weeks of the sentancing...ohhh shit that's just unfair and too violent right ? we don't want any innocent people killed by mistake right ? but we can sure as shit strip good Americans of thier rights to own guns, you guy's have this micro manage idea to save the world that in the end will come back to bite you on the ass, one freedom at a time...and the best part about it is that you guy's will fall for it every time.
Godfather.
Keep fighting your fight for weapons. Keep clinging to outdated laws. Hopefully enough people in this country will wake the fuck up and realize this is what is bringing us down. And hopefully the legislators in Virginia that were referenced earlier will be voted out.
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Jose...josevolution said:Please just leave hunting out of this debate if someone wants start s thread about hunting go ahead .....let's keep this on track again weapons & demented people make for a lethal combination this country needs to figure a way to keep these weapons away from them and who ever can't admit what the soul purpose of a gun is for get your head out of your arse ....
It's a decent side discussion that's relevant. This gun control debate has been played many times on this forum and to be honest, the hunting angle is a fresh component worthy of probing- especially when deliberating what is and what isn't an appropriate rifle for the average citizen to own."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
America also seems to have a problem with tits...excuse me - women's tits.Leezestarr313 said:You are living in a country that beeps swear words out on tv. America is a paradox.
The beep/bleeping/pixelating shit here is ridiculous.
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Godfatherland....I like that LOL ! but really, logic and reason are easly masked by decete these daysrgambs said:
You are comparing executing innocent people to taking hobbies from people.Godfather. said:
good grief, who asked me, who was it that said they wanted all guns removed from America ?benjs said:
Get your head out of the sand. What's more important - your own naive delusions that everything is better with a well-armed population and government-endorsed right to bear arms, or the fact that this graph shows what it does about a population with guns readily available?Godfather. said:the only gun problem I can think of is that I can't afford every gun I'd like to have.
Godfather.
You're talking about a provable correlation between number of guns in circulation, and fatality rates in the population. America, by this chart, has around nine times the fatality by firearms rate as the next country.
nobody on the train ever said that........ right ! too many people think they know whats best for America...even non Americans, all this whinny shit about guns is just a joke to read but hay I'm always up for a good laugh, how about this ..lets enforce the death penalty when murder is commited (not self defence) let's not have a death row, let's just get it done with in say 2 weeks of the sentancing...ohhh shit that's just unfair and too violent right ? we don't want any innocent people killed by mistake right ? but we can sure as shit strip good Americans of thier rights to own guns, you guy's have this micro manage idea to save the world that in the end will come back to bite you on the ass, one freedom at a time...and the best part about it is that you guy's will fall for it every time.
Godfather.
That makes sense in Godfather land, but to those who use logic and reason...
(decete ?...no spelling jokes please LOL !!)
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