Police abuse

Last-12-Exit said:

rgambs said:

callen said:

Last-12-Exit said:

callen said:

Last-12-Exit said:

#copslivesmatter

If you kill a cop capital offense. If a black person is killed few care and is covered up. No comparison. Same with all lives matter. Some do matter more than others.

This has been the case since the dawn of time. It has nothing to do with race. The whole #______ movement is silly to me. I was being sarcastic. I don't know why we have to put a pound sign in front of something to make it matter.

Oh ok. Yeah with you on the hashtag BS.

Absolutely, particularly when people put paragraph long lists of hashtags

Like this?

#amovingtrainisagreatplacetodebateandihopeyouallhaveagoodweekend

Hahaha no, more like this:
#amovingtrain#greatdebate#goodweekend #thisishowweroll#AMradiorulez#trumpforlyfe#gitrdun

brianlux said:

Thought about creating a separate thread for this but if we did that for every situation like this there would be at least a few pages of such threads.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/08/08/christian-taylor-killed_n_7959440.html

"ARLINGTON, Texas (AP) — A police officer in suburban Dallas shot and killed a college football player during a struggle after the unarmed 19-year-old crashed a car through the front window of a car dealership, authorities said."

"The shooting comes amid increased scrutiny nationwide of police use of force, particularly in cases involving black suspects. Taylor was black. The race of the officer was not immediately known."

Doesn't appear to be any video of the shooting according to sources. Considering the extreme nature of the crime, it's likely whatever the police say will be the official record. Whether justified or not, my guess is it will be ruled justified.

Was looking at the forced marriage thread and... off to the side and buried under bigger, bolder headlines, rested this piece:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/06/us/seneca-teen-dead-police-shooting/index.html

A white, unarmed teen killed by cop. Not boldly splashed on the front page given it's not quite the headline everybody is drooling for, but noteworthy I think? Maybe not?

According to reports, the kid tried to run over the cop and the cop fired. I thnik the cop could easily have done a Batman jump or Spiderman maneuver to avoid being squished. Come to think of it... why don't cops have webslingers? They would solve everything.

brianlux said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Was looking at the forced marriage thread and... off to the side and buried under bigger, bolder headlines, rested this piece:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/06/us/seneca-teen-dead-police-shooting/index.html

A white, unarmed teen killed by cop. Not boldly splashed on the front page given it's not quite the headline everybody is drooling for, but noteworthy I think? Maybe not?

According to reports, the kid tried to run over the cop and the cop fired. I thnik the cop could easily have done a Batman jump or Spiderman maneuver to avoid being squished. Come to think of it... why don't cops have webslingers? They would solve everything.

In the big-picture- I'd say yes, Thirty, noteworthy.

Speaking for myself of course, Thirty, I don't get a rise out these kinds of stories. In fact, I get very tired of hearing about them. But the reason I take notice is because I'm concerned about a) the number of incidents where cops are killing young people (and this goes back to what I was trying to say about British law enforcement and the fact that there is a lower percent of both violent crime and violent police response in England and other European countries) and b) the frequency with which black people in America are the targets of police brutality. And that's not just some knee jerk libtard granola eating Left Coast hippie reaction- it's what I've concluded over a long period of time reading about this stuff. The problems are real and generally not getting much better.

And I hope you got what I was getting at. The media steers us more than we care to admit.

Four UK officers killed in the line of duty over the last 6 and 1/2 years. It's safe to say that officers there aren't feeling very threatened by the citizens they police. They might be demonstrating better police work from an optic point of view, but their job is different than law enforcement in the US.

I'm not deliberately trying to absolve cops at every turn although it sure seems like that lately around these parts. I'm just saying the problem is profound and multifaceted. In particular, Callen himself said (tongue in cheek perhaps) what I've expressed several times: the economic disparity created through malicious and ruthless capitalist policies have left citizens (particularly those of color) with little hope. And, acting recklessly without hope, they find themselves face to face with law enforcement in less than cooperative and bordering on hostile fashion.

We are quick to point the finger at cops right in the moment, but doing this overlooks much of what is wrong with your country that leads to these situations. Having said this... the gross abuse incidents are repulsive and begs for some measure of change. But where exactly do we think the change would be most beneficial? At the point of conflict? Or before the conflict occurs?

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/woman-publicly-sodomized-gas-station-parking-lot-cops-because-they-smelled-weed?sc=fb

I need more details. She was probably resisting, or giving attitude, or something.

I think I might start posting every police abuse case I see in my fb feed. there are SO many not being covered in this thread.

rgambs said:

Drowned Out said:

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/woman-publicly-sodomized-gas-station-parking-lot-cops-because-they-smelled-weed?sc=fb

I need more details. She was probably resisting, or giving attitude, or something.

I think I might start posting every police abuse case I see in my fb feed. there are SO many not being covered in this thread.

You won't get a rise out of most of this crowd.
The typical response is something like this:
She resisted arrest, she has to deal with the consequences. Where is her personal responsibility?
She should have consented to the rape and then sued the department after the fact. You have to obey an officers commands, be they lawful or not.

You won't get one from me based on what I read.

The crappy thing (no pun intended) about this case is that there were two officers involved and time permitted for at least one to say, "We don't need to search her ass."

Last-12-Exit said:

Drowned Out said:

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/woman-publicly-sodomized-gas-station-parking-lot-cops-because-they-smelled-weed?sc=fb

I need more details. She was probably resisting, or giving attitude, or something.

I think I might start posting every police abuse case I see in my fb feed. there are SO many not being covered in this thread.

When did cavity searches become illegal?

Don't you think a better question is when did cavity searches become legal?

Are you defending the cops penetrating a woman in public view at a stop for a minor traffic violation, over the suspicion of a misdemeanor amount of marijuana?

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Drowned Out said:

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/woman-publicly-sodomized-gas-station-parking-lot-cops-because-they-smelled-weed?sc=fb

I need more details. She was probably resisting, or giving attitude, or something.

I think I might start posting every police abuse case I see in my fb feed. there are SO many not being covered in this thread.

You won't get a rise out of most of this crowd.
The typical response is something like this:
She resisted arrest, she has to deal with the consequences. Where is her personal responsibility?
She should have consented to the rape and then sued the department after the fact. You have to obey an officers commands, be they lawful or not.

You won't get one from me based on what I read.

The crappy thing (no pun intended) about this case is that there were two officers involved and time permitted for at least one to say, "We don't need to search her ass."

I was confused by the article linked, it kept saying sodomy but also vaginal...either way it's pretty fucked up.
Let's say they are searching her in a painfully aggressive way, and she physically resists. The cops rough her up, and then what? It's ruled justified, of course, and then what? She's out of luck, that's what.

Yah. I'm thinking a search such as this should be done at the station after the rationale is presented to a supervisor/official that weighs out the need.

The article only presented one side- it was heavily biased. But outside of a few scenarios, this is heavy handed and a little insensitive. If they had found pot... so what? Of all the battles cops need to fight, a simple possession doesn't seem like something to ruthlessly pursue.

Bias? The shocking part of this story is that it happened. What could the cop say that justifies this? So how would bias sway to their side? I don't give a shit what the laws say; cops are allowed discretion are they not?