Another Bullsh$@ Manufactured story to provoke the race card.

Gern Blansten said:

The confrontation was because the cop had to act like she broke a law because she wasn't kissing his ass.

Gern Blansten said:

For the record....I'm generally a "just do what the cop says" kind of person. I think she most likely hanged herself due to depression issues.

The cop had no right to escalate the situation. He should have given her a ticket and been on his way. Instead he violated her civil rights. We'll see how it turns out.

g under p said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Both are confrontations with Texas police.

I guess you're right...the lady with the cigarette is dead. The dude with the assault rifle isn't. No comparison at all.

There was no confrontation with the police in the example you presented. The police were called to a scene and the stupid kid had enough sense to be respectful- even though he was doing nothing illegal by counter-protesting with his assault rifle.

So... good try. But no.

Well I certainly hope if this was a black young man under THE EXACT circumstance the outcome turned out to be the same.

As far as the Bland family....it is NOT an unreasonable request by the family to have an autopsy and an investigation into to her death no matter what the circumstances/reasons that got her in jail. The reason being the Bland woman is dead nothing can change that but coming to some conclusion that led to her death will give the family some peace while Ms Bland is put to rest.

Peace

Cliffy6745 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

The confrontation was because the cop had to act like she broke a law because she wasn't kissing his ass.

Wrong again.

She was pulled over for swerving into another lane without signalling. This was likely going to be the extent of it, however she began to act like an idiot and... just like my colleague... paid for her idiocy with a trip to the jail. Again, what she did there was her business's not the cop's fault.

She swerved into another lane to get out of his way after the cop pulled a U turn and gunned it at her for no reason

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Both are confrontations with Texas police.

I guess you're right...the lady with the cigarette is dead. The dude with the assault rifle isn't. No comparison at all.

There was no confrontation with the police in the example you presented. The police were called to a scene and the stupid kid had enough sense to be respectful- even though he was doing nothing illegal by counter-protesting with his assault rifle.

So... good try. But no.

It does speak to the possibility of a dangerous situation and the way Texas cops react. Woman in a car smoking, not illegal but possibly dangerous and situation escalates. Man with an assault rifle in public confronting a man at a protest, apparently not dangerous and dealt with in a calm non confrontational manner, no escalation. Both situations are completely absurd if you ask me and point to a much larger systemic problem.

There should only be one wild card in any situation when the police deal with the public and that is the untrained public. I expect police to handle situations in a trained, controlled manner. Not to escalate a situation and make it worse.

dignin said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

Both are confrontations with Texas police.

I guess you're right...the lady with the cigarette is dead. The dude with the assault rifle isn't. No comparison at all.

There was no confrontation with the police in the example you presented. The police were called to a scene and the stupid kid had enough sense to be respectful- even though he was doing nothing illegal by counter-protesting with his assault rifle.

So... good try. But no.

It does speak to the possibility of a dangerous situation and the way Texas cops react. Woman in a car smoking, not illegal but possibly dangerous and situation escalates. Man with an assault rifle in public confronting a man at a protest, apparently not dangerous and dealt with in a calm non confrontational manner, no escalation. Both situations are completely absurd if you ask me and point to a much larger systemic problem.

There should only be one wild card in any situation when the police deal with the public and that is the untrained public. I expect police to handle situations in a trained, controlled manner. Not to escalate a situation and make it worse.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

Last-12-Exit said:

When will people just listen to what the fucking cops tell them? Put the cigarette out. That's not a hard thing to do. Stupidity.

I agree it's never a good idea to defiantly disregard a police officer and am in no way blaming the officer for what happened in her cell, but don't you think it could have been avoided by just giving her the ticket and sending her on her way? His own governing body has already stated he didn't act in a professional manner and didn't follow their procedures. It should have never came to that point.

His own governing body is in job saving mode. I don't think this cop should be fired, but he will be. There was no abuse, no shooting, no brutality. I think the lady should have just put her cigarette out. Period. All she was doing was provoking. She deserved what she got.

Whoa, SHE was provoking? HE was provoking her and she should have remained in control, but she was clearly baited.
He was asking her to perform an action that was clearly outside of the law and his rights to police.
If he had asked her to take her blouse off or touch herself should she do that as well?

Turning off the music, putting out her cigarette, shutting the vehicle off, and things like that are very reasonable requests. The ones you've tried to compare his request to are silly. Why do that?

A cop doesn't have to breathe in someone's smoke as he performs his duties just like the clerk doesn't at the grocery store. The cop also doesn't have to worry about extreme scenarios such as an angry individual placing the cigarette out on his arm.

A reasonable request, sure it is. An arrestable offense? Of course not. This is a classic power trip, he had just as much opportunity to be reasonable and calm as she did. This officer assaulted the woman because she disrespected him. If I disrespect you do you have the right to assault me??
Sometimes it seems like some people are desperate to give their rights away to anyone in a uniform.

So if a person basically tells a copy to go f**k themselves when the cop asks them to do something that is reasonable... the cop should go f**k themselves?

A colleague got upset when he was denied service at a local establishment. Cops were called. He became indignant. He ended up in jail. Nobody there was saying, "Geezuz what a bunch of dicks. Why couldn't he have gotten another beer? And jail is a little extreme dontcha think?" People were saying, "What a f**king idiot."

He made requests. She became indignant and disrespectful. The cop lost patience. She ended up in jail. What she chose to do in jail is on her unless it can be definitively proven otherwise.

Sometimes it seems like some people feel cops have no authority whatsoever. We have given them this authority, RG. And having said that... we need to respect the authority we have given them. Any questionable behaviours on the part of law enforcement in this case came after this woman acted like an idiot.

At the time being, this unfortunate incident is her doing. If a rightful investigation proves otherwise, we can say something differently. I doubt that will happen- I'm not inclined to think Texas jail guards hung this woman. If I was, I would be no different than those people who- routinely getting slammed for it- think Obama is trying to get their guns. Foolish.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

Last-12-Exit said:

When will people just listen to what the fucking cops tell them? Put the cigarette out. That's not a hard thing to do. Stupidity.

I agree it's never a good idea to defiantly disregard a police officer and am in no way blaming the officer for what happened in her cell, but don't you think it could have been avoided by just giving her the ticket and sending her on her way? His own governing body has already stated he didn't act in a professional manner and didn't follow their procedures. It should have never came to that point.

His own governing body is in job saving mode. I don't think this cop should be fired, but he will be. There was no abuse, no shooting, no brutality. I think the lady should have just put her cigarette out. Period. All she was doing was provoking. She deserved what she got.

Whoa, SHE was provoking? HE was provoking her and she should have remained in control, but she was clearly baited.
He was asking her to perform an action that was clearly outside of the law and his rights to police.
If he had asked her to take her blouse off or touch herself should she do that as well?

Turning off the music, putting out her cigarette, shutting the vehicle off, and things like that are very reasonable requests. The ones you've tried to compare his request to are silly. Why do that?

A cop doesn't have to breathe in someone's smoke as he performs his duties just like the clerk doesn't at the grocery store. The cop also doesn't have to worry about extreme scenarios such as an angry individual placing the cigarette out on his arm.

A reasonable request, sure it is. An arrestable offense? Of course not. This is a classic power trip, he had just as much opportunity to be reasonable and calm as she did. This officer assaulted the woman because she disrespected him. If I disrespect you do you have the right to assault me??
Sometimes it seems like some people are desperate to give their rights away to anyone in a uniform.

So if a person basically tells a copy to go f**k themselves when the cop asks them to do something that is reasonable... the cop should go f**k themselves?

A colleague got upset when he was denied service at a local establishment. Cops were called. He became indignant. He ended up in jail. Nobody there was saying, "Geezuz what a bunch of dicks. Why couldn't he have gotten another beer? And jail is a little extreme dontcha think?" People were saying, "What a f**king idiot."

He made requests. She became indignant and disrespectful. The cop lost patience. She ended up in jail. What she chose to do in jail is on her unless it can be definitively proven otherwise.

Sometimes it seems like some people feel cops have no authority whatsoever. We have given them this authority, RG. And having said that... we need to respect the authority we have given them. Any questionable behaviours on the part of law enforcement in this case came after this woman acted like an idiot.

At the time being, this unfortunate incident is her doing. If a rightful investigation proves otherwise, we can say something differently. I doubt that will happen- I'm not inclined to think Texas jail guards hung this woman. If I was, I would be no different than those people who- routinely getting slammed for it- think Obama is trying to get their guns. Foolish.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Gern Blansten said:

The confrontation was because the cop had to act like she broke a law because she wasn't kissing his ass.

Wrong again.

She was pulled over for swerving into another lane without signalling. This was likely going to be the extent of it, however she began to act like an idiot and... just like my colleague... paid for her idiocy with a trip to the jail. Again, what she did there was her business's not the cop's fault.

She swerved into another lane to get out of his way after the cop pulled a U turn and gunned it at her for no reason

Where did you read this? I read she made a lane change without signalling (right in front of the cop).