We have they opposite problem in South Florida.People leave the blinker on and you never know what they are doing.
I heard some talk this morning that the officer can defend the cigarette request by stating he felt threatened and was concerned driver could flick the cig at him.
Take the ticket,calm down and then if you were unfairly treated get a lawyer and fight it.I don't get what the hell people are thinking.
Oh yeah driving in Florida is a whole adventure in itself. Lotsa patience with the white haired folks in the caddies. Ha.
Caddys,No sir those blue hair,blue blocker wearing,tennis ball antenna driving folks almost all have beige/copper colored Camrys or Hondas
Also, if anyone dies in police custody there should be a detailed investigation....that's a no brainer.
Fine Dig,but let's call it an investigation and not jump directly to this has to be a murder.A simple we will look into all evidence and pursue as needed would be fine.
That's all fair rr. But I don't think the families requests are unreasonable. I would be asking the same questions as I'm sure you would be if one of your loved ones died while in custody.
Bland's family has called for an independent autopsy and involvement by the U.S. Department of Justice in the probe of her death.
"I am angry because of the way she died," Bland's mother, Geneva Reed-Veal, said at the memorial. "All I want to know is why."
When will people just listen to what the fucking cops tell them? Put the cigarette out. That's not a hard thing to do. Stupidity.
I agree it's never a good idea to defiantly disregard a police officer and am in no way blaming the officer for what happened in her cell, but don't you think it could have been avoided by just giving her the ticket and sending her on her way? His own governing body has already stated he didn't act in a professional manner and didn't follow their procedures. It should have never came to that point.
His own governing body is in job saving mode. I don't think this cop should be fired, but he will be. There was no abuse, no shooting, no brutality. I think the lady should have just put her cigarette out. Period. All she was doing was provoking. She deserved what she got.
Whoa, SHE was provoking? HE was provoking her and she should have remained in control, but she was clearly baited. He was asking her to perform an action that was clearly outside of the law and his rights to police. If he had asked her to take her blouse off or touch herself should she do that as well?
Turning off the music, putting out her cigarette, shutting the vehicle off, and things like that are very reasonable requests. The ones you've tried to compare his request to are silly. Why do that?
A cop doesn't have to breathe in someone's smoke as he performs his duties just like the clerk doesn't at the grocery store. The cop also doesn't have to worry about extreme scenarios such as an angry individual placing the cigarette out on his arm.
A reasonable request, sure it is. An arrestable offense? Of course not. This is a classic power trip, he had just as much opportunity to be reasonable and calm as she did. This officer assaulted the woman because she disrespected him. If I disrespect you do you have the right to assault me?? Sometimes it seems like some people are desperate to give their rights away to anyone in a uniform.
So if a person basically tells a copy to go f**k themselves when the cop asks them to do something that is reasonable... the cop should go f**k themselves?
A colleague got upset when he was denied service at a local establishment. Cops were called. He became indignant. He ended up in jail. Nobody there was saying, "Geezuz what a bunch of dicks. Why couldn't he have gotten another beer? And jail is a little extreme dontcha think?" People were saying, "What a f**king idiot."
He made requests. She became indignant and disrespectful. The cop lost patience. She ended up in jail. What she chose to do in jail is on her unless it can be definitively proven otherwise.
Sometimes it seems like some people feel cops have no authority whatsoever. We have given them this authority, RG. And having said that... we need to respect the authority we have given them. Any questionable behaviours on the part of law enforcement in this case came after this woman acted like an idiot.
At the time being, this unfortunate incident is her doing. If a rightful investigation proves otherwise, we can say something differently. I doubt that will happen- I'm not inclined to think Texas jail guards hung this woman. If I was, I would be no different than those people who- routinely getting slammed for it- think Obama is trying to get their guns. Foolish.
I guess you're right...the lady with the cigarette is dead. The dude with the assault rifle isn't. No comparison at all.
There was no confrontation with the police in the example you presented. The police were called to a scene and the stupid kid had enough sense to be respectful- even though he was doing nothing illegal by counter-protesting with his assault rifle.
For the record....I'm generally a "just do what the cop says" kind of person. I think she most likely hanged herself due to depression issues.
The cop had no right to escalate the situation. He should have given her a ticket and been on his way. Instead he violated her civil rights. We'll see how it turns out.
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The confrontation was because the cop had to act like she broke a law because she wasn't kissing his ass.
Wrong again.
She was pulled over for swerving into another lane without signalling. This was likely going to be the extent of it, however she began to act like an idiot and... just like my colleague... paid for her idiocy with a trip to the jail. Again, what she did there was her business's not the cop's fault.
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I guess you're right...the lady with the cigarette is dead. The dude with the assault rifle isn't. No comparison at all.
There was no confrontation with the police in the example you presented. The police were called to a scene and the stupid kid had enough sense to be respectful- even though he was doing nothing illegal by counter-protesting with his assault rifle.
So... good try. But no.
Well I certainly hope if this was a black young man under THE EXACT circumstance the outcome turned out to be the same.
As far as the Bland family....it is NOT an unreasonable request by the family to have an autopsy and an investigation into to her death no matter what the circumstances/reasons that got her in jail. The reason being the Bland woman is dead nothing can change that but coming to some conclusion that led to her death will give the family some peace while Ms Bland is put to rest.
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For the record....I'm generally a "just do what the cop says" kind of person. I think she most likely hanged herself due to depression issues.
The cop had no right to escalate the situation. He should have given her a ticket and been on his way. Instead he violated her civil rights. We'll see how it turns out.
Geezuz.
You see it as 'he escalated the situation'? Others see it as 'she escalated the situation'. You are a comply guy- just like me- because we are not idiots. Let's not excuse her idiocy in complicating this issue: the cop was prepared to issue a ticket and proceed with his day. She lit the flames here. The cop could have ignored if so inclined, but I guess he wasn't feeling too patient and nor should we demand so. We should demand people not badger law enforcement after they have attracted their attention by violating the laws of the land.
The confrontation was because the cop had to act like she broke a law because she wasn't kissing his ass.
Wrong again.
She was pulled over for swerving into another lane without signalling. This was likely going to be the extent of it, however she began to act like an idiot and... just like my colleague... paid for her idiocy with a trip to the jail. Again, what she did there was her business's not the cop's fault.
She swerved into another lane to get out of his way after the cop pulled a U turn and gunned it at her for no reason
I guess you're right...the lady with the cigarette is dead. The dude with the assault rifle isn't. No comparison at all.
There was no confrontation with the police in the example you presented. The police were called to a scene and the stupid kid had enough sense to be respectful- even though he was doing nothing illegal by counter-protesting with his assault rifle.
So... good try. But no.
Well I certainly hope if this was a black young man under THE EXACT circumstance the outcome turned out to be the same.
As far as the Bland family....it is NOT an unreasonable request by the family to have an autopsy and an investigation into to her death no matter what the circumstances/reasons that got her in jail. The reason being the Bland woman is dead nothing can change that but coming to some conclusion that led to her death will give the family some peace while Ms Bland is put to rest.
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An investigation is certainly reasonable- if not, then critical. All deaths should be reviewed- in particular, those that occur under the watch of care facilities.
I guess you're right...the lady with the cigarette is dead. The dude with the assault rifle isn't. No comparison at all.
There was no confrontation with the police in the example you presented. The police were called to a scene and the stupid kid had enough sense to be respectful- even though he was doing nothing illegal by counter-protesting with his assault rifle.
So... good try. But no.
It does speak to the possibility of a dangerous situation and the way Texas cops react. Woman in a car smoking, not illegal but possibly dangerous and situation escalates. Man with an assault rifle in public confronting a man at a protest, apparently not dangerous and dealt with in a calm non confrontational manner, no escalation. Both situations are completely absurd if you ask me and point to a much larger systemic problem.
There should only be one wild card in any situation when the police deal with the public and that is the untrained public. I expect police to handle situations in a trained, controlled manner. Not to escalate a situation and make it worse.
The confrontation was because the cop had to act like she broke a law because she wasn't kissing his ass.
Wrong again.
She was pulled over for swerving into another lane without signalling. This was likely going to be the extent of it, however she began to act like an idiot and... just like my colleague... paid for her idiocy with a trip to the jail. Again, what she did there was her business's not the cop's fault.
She swerved into another lane to get out of his way after the cop pulled a U turn and gunned it at her for no reason
Where did you read this? I read she made a lane change without signalling (right in front of the cop).
The confrontation was because the cop had to act like she broke a law because she wasn't kissing his ass.
Wrong again.
She was pulled over for swerving into another lane without signalling. This was likely going to be the extent of it, however she began to act like an idiot and... just like my colleague... paid for her idiocy with a trip to the jail. Again, what she did there was her business's not the cop's fault.
She swerved into another lane to get out of his way after the cop pulled a U turn and gunned it at her for no reason
Where did you read this? I read she made a lane change without signalling (right in front of the cop).
There is video. Let me try to find it. She didn't signal but he was pulling her over regardless
I guess you're right...the lady with the cigarette is dead. The dude with the assault rifle isn't. No comparison at all.
There was no confrontation with the police in the example you presented. The police were called to a scene and the stupid kid had enough sense to be respectful- even though he was doing nothing illegal by counter-protesting with his assault rifle.
So... good try. But no.
It does speak to the possibility of a dangerous situation and the way Texas cops react. Woman in a car smoking, not illegal but possibly dangerous and situation escalates. Man with an assault rifle in public confronting a man at a protest, apparently not dangerous and dealt with in a calm non confrontational manner, no escalation. Both situations are completely absurd if you ask me and point to a much larger systemic problem.
There should only be one wild card in any situation when the police deal with the public and that is the untrained public. I expect police to handle situations in a trained, controlled manner. Not to escalate a situation and make it worse.
There's some legitimacy with this post, but the difference between the two cases is one person was detained for violating a traffic law and the other had done... nothing.
Obviously, you and I see the potential danger in the second situation, but Texans don't or else they would do something about such outrageousness.
The confrontation was because the cop had to act like she broke a law because she wasn't kissing his ass.
Wrong again.
She was pulled over for swerving into another lane without signalling. This was likely going to be the extent of it, however she began to act like an idiot and... just like my colleague... paid for her idiocy with a trip to the jail. Again, what she did there was her business's not the cop's fault.
Being an idiot is cause for arrest? She didn't kiss his ass and he couldn't take it....clearly
Did he lead her out of camera view? Pretty questionable
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I guess you're right...the lady with the cigarette is dead. The dude with the assault rifle isn't. No comparison at all.
There was no confrontation with the police in the example you presented. The police were called to a scene and the stupid kid had enough sense to be respectful- even though he was doing nothing illegal by counter-protesting with his assault rifle.
So... good try. But no.
It does speak to the possibility of a dangerous situation and the way Texas cops react. Woman in a car smoking, not illegal but possibly dangerous and situation escalates. Man with an assault rifle in public confronting a man at a protest, apparently not dangerous and dealt with in a calm non confrontational manner, no escalation. Both situations are completely absurd if you ask me and point to a much larger systemic problem.
There should only be one wild card in any situation when the police deal with the public and that is the untrained public. I expect police to handle situations in a trained, controlled manner. Not to escalate a situation and make it worse.
well said....I can't imagine how we all can't see fault with the officer here. He clearly overreacted.
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For the record....I'm generally a "just do what the cop says" kind of person. I think she most likely hanged herself due to depression issues.
The cop had no right to escalate the situation. He should have given her a ticket and been on his way. Instead he violated her civil rights. We'll see how it turns out.
Geezuz.
You see it as 'he escalated the situation'? Others see it as 'she escalated the situation'. You are a comply guy- just like me- because we are not idiots. Let's not excuse her idiocy in complicating this issue: the cop was prepared to issue a ticket and proceed with his day. She lit the flames here. The cop could have ignored if so inclined, but I guess he wasn't feeling too patient and nor should we demand so. We should demand people not badger law enforcement after they have attracted their attention by violating the laws of the land.
disagree....we should demand patience from the police. I would guess that she would have driven away 8 out of 10 times with random police officers.
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When will people just listen to what the fucking cops tell them? Put the cigarette out. That's not a hard thing to do. Stupidity.
I agree it's never a good idea to defiantly disregard a police officer and am in no way blaming the officer for what happened in her cell, but don't you think it could have been avoided by just giving her the ticket and sending her on her way? His own governing body has already stated he didn't act in a professional manner and didn't follow their procedures. It should have never came to that point.
His own governing body is in job saving mode. I don't think this cop should be fired, but he will be. There was no abuse, no shooting, no brutality. I think the lady should have just put her cigarette out. Period. All she was doing was provoking. She deserved what she got.
Whoa, SHE was provoking? HE was provoking her and she should have remained in control, but she was clearly baited. He was asking her to perform an action that was clearly outside of the law and his rights to police. If he had asked her to take her blouse off or touch herself should she do that as well?
Turning off the music, putting out her cigarette, shutting the vehicle off, and things like that are very reasonable requests. The ones you've tried to compare his request to are silly. Why do that?
A cop doesn't have to breathe in someone's smoke as he performs his duties just like the clerk doesn't at the grocery store. The cop also doesn't have to worry about extreme scenarios such as an angry individual placing the cigarette out on his arm.
A reasonable request, sure it is. An arrestable offense? Of course not. This is a classic power trip, he had just as much opportunity to be reasonable and calm as she did. This officer assaulted the woman because she disrespected him. If I disrespect you do you have the right to assault me?? Sometimes it seems like some people are desperate to give their rights away to anyone in a uniform.
So if a person basically tells a copy to go f**k themselves when the cop asks them to do something that is reasonable... the cop should go f**k themselves?
A colleague got upset when he was denied service at a local establishment. Cops were called. He became indignant. He ended up in jail. Nobody there was saying, "Geezuz what a bunch of dicks. Why couldn't he have gotten another beer? And jail is a little extreme dontcha think?" People were saying, "What a f**king idiot."
He made requests. She became indignant and disrespectful. The cop lost patience. She ended up in jail. What she chose to do in jail is on her unless it can be definitively proven otherwise.
Sometimes it seems like some people feel cops have no authority whatsoever. We have given them this authority, RG. And having said that... we need to respect the authority we have given them. Any questionable behaviours on the part of law enforcement in this case came after this woman acted like an idiot.
At the time being, this unfortunate incident is her doing. If a rightful investigation proves otherwise, we can say something differently. I doubt that will happen- I'm not inclined to think Texas jail guards hung this woman. If I was, I would be no different than those people who- routinely getting slammed for it- think Obama is trying to get their guns. Foolish.
The responsibility to use discretion lies with those in authority. If a child or student doesn't comply with the parent or teacher is it ok for them to assault to occur? Why should police have the right to lay hands on a person for simple disrespect, what happened to freedom of speech? It's ridiculous the amount of authority you grant. Police don't exist to control people's manners.
The confrontation was because the cop had to act like she broke a law because she wasn't kissing his ass.
Wrong again.
She was pulled over for swerving into another lane without signalling. This was likely going to be the extent of it, however she began to act like an idiot and... just like my colleague... paid for her idiocy with a trip to the jail. Again, what she did there was her business's not the cop's fault.
Being an idiot is cause for arrest? She didn't kiss his ass and he couldn't take it....clearly
Did he lead her out of camera view? Pretty questionable
She didn't kiss his ass... or she was disrespectful?
I guess it's which side of the fence you sit on. From my perspective, which I've already detailed, if you want to mess with the bull... sometimes you get the horn. And you know this: that is why you said you are a compliant one when dealing with the 'authorities'.
A trip to jail never killed her and had the potential to teach her some sensibility. Her decision to hang herself killed her.
When will people just listen to what the fucking cops tell them? Put the cigarette out. That's not a hard thing to do. Stupidity.
I agree it's never a good idea to defiantly disregard a police officer and am in no way blaming the officer for what happened in her cell, but don't you think it could have been avoided by just giving her the ticket and sending her on her way? His own governing body has already stated he didn't act in a professional manner and didn't follow their procedures. It should have never came to that point.
His own governing body is in job saving mode. I don't think this cop should be fired, but he will be. There was no abuse, no shooting, no brutality. I think the lady should have just put her cigarette out. Period. All she was doing was provoking. She deserved what she got.
Whoa, SHE was provoking? HE was provoking her and she should have remained in control, but she was clearly baited. He was asking her to perform an action that was clearly outside of the law and his rights to police. If he had asked her to take her blouse off or touch herself should she do that as well?
Turning off the music, putting out her cigarette, shutting the vehicle off, and things like that are very reasonable requests. The ones you've tried to compare his request to are silly. Why do that?
A cop doesn't have to breathe in someone's smoke as he performs his duties just like the clerk doesn't at the grocery store. The cop also doesn't have to worry about extreme scenarios such as an angry individual placing the cigarette out on his arm.
A reasonable request, sure it is. An arrestable offense? Of course not. This is a classic power trip, he had just as much opportunity to be reasonable and calm as she did. This officer assaulted the woman because she disrespected him. If I disrespect you do you have the right to assault me?? Sometimes it seems like some people are desperate to give their rights away to anyone in a uniform.
So if a person basically tells a copy to go f**k themselves when the cop asks them to do something that is reasonable... the cop should go f**k themselves?
A colleague got upset when he was denied service at a local establishment. Cops were called. He became indignant. He ended up in jail. Nobody there was saying, "Geezuz what a bunch of dicks. Why couldn't he have gotten another beer? And jail is a little extreme dontcha think?" People were saying, "What a f**king idiot."
He made requests. She became indignant and disrespectful. The cop lost patience. She ended up in jail. What she chose to do in jail is on her unless it can be definitively proven otherwise.
Sometimes it seems like some people feel cops have no authority whatsoever. We have given them this authority, RG. And having said that... we need to respect the authority we have given them. Any questionable behaviours on the part of law enforcement in this case came after this woman acted like an idiot.
At the time being, this unfortunate incident is her doing. If a rightful investigation proves otherwise, we can say something differently. I doubt that will happen- I'm not inclined to think Texas jail guards hung this woman. If I was, I would be no different than those people who- routinely getting slammed for it- think Obama is trying to get their guns. Foolish.
The cop should control his/her emotions and ignore the request which the law doesn't require to be complied with...just like this woman ignored the request with which she had a right to not comply.
When will people just listen to what the fucking cops tell them? Put the cigarette out. That's not a hard thing to do. Stupidity.
I agree it's never a good idea to defiantly disregard a police officer and am in no way blaming the officer for what happened in her cell, but don't you think it could have been avoided by just giving her the ticket and sending her on her way? His own governing body has already stated he didn't act in a professional manner and didn't follow their procedures. It should have never came to that point.
His own governing body is in job saving mode. I don't think this cop should be fired, but he will be. There was no abuse, no shooting, no brutality. I think the lady should have just put her cigarette out. Period. All she was doing was provoking. She deserved what she got.
Whoa, SHE was provoking? HE was provoking her and she should have remained in control, but she was clearly baited. He was asking her to perform an action that was clearly outside of the law and his rights to police. If he had asked her to take her blouse off or touch herself should she do that as well?
Turning off the music, putting out her cigarette, shutting the vehicle off, and things like that are very reasonable requests. The ones you've tried to compare his request to are silly. Why do that?
A cop doesn't have to breathe in someone's smoke as he performs his duties just like the clerk doesn't at the grocery store. The cop also doesn't have to worry about extreme scenarios such as an angry individual placing the cigarette out on his arm.
A reasonable request, sure it is. An arrestable offense? Of course not. This is a classic power trip, he had just as much opportunity to be reasonable and calm as she did. This officer assaulted the woman because she disrespected him. If I disrespect you do you have the right to assault me?? Sometimes it seems like some people are desperate to give their rights away to anyone in a uniform.
So if a person basically tells a copy to go f**k themselves when the cop asks them to do something that is reasonable... the cop should go f**k themselves?
A colleague got upset when he was denied service at a local establishment. Cops were called. He became indignant. He ended up in jail. Nobody there was saying, "Geezuz what a bunch of dicks. Why couldn't he have gotten another beer? And jail is a little extreme dontcha think?" People were saying, "What a f**king idiot."
He made requests. She became indignant and disrespectful. The cop lost patience. She ended up in jail. What she chose to do in jail is on her unless it can be definitively proven otherwise.
Sometimes it seems like some people feel cops have no authority whatsoever. We have given them this authority, RG. And having said that... we need to respect the authority we have given them. Any questionable behaviours on the part of law enforcement in this case came after this woman acted like an idiot.
At the time being, this unfortunate incident is her doing. If a rightful investigation proves otherwise, we can say something differently. I doubt that will happen- I'm not inclined to think Texas jail guards hung this woman. If I was, I would be no different than those people who- routinely getting slammed for it- think Obama is trying to get their guns. Foolish.
The responsibility to use discretion lies with those in authority. If a child or student doesn't comply with the parent or teacher is it ok for them to assault to occur? Why should police have the right to lay hands on a person for simple disrespect, what happened to freedom of speech? It's ridiculous the amount of authority you grant. Police don't exist to control people's manners.
Different playing field and different rules.
If a kid doesn't comply with reasonable teacher requests, this is viewed as disobedience and is discipline of some form is administered.
Are you lobbying for a society that thumbs their nose at authority when they don't feel like cooperating? Somehow, I just don't see that as being fantastic.
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The confrontation was because the cop had to act like she broke a law because she wasn't kissing his ass.
Wrong again.
She was pulled over for swerving into another lane without signalling. This was likely going to be the extent of it, however she began to act like an idiot and... just like my colleague... paid for her idiocy with a trip to the jail. Again, what she did there was her business's not the cop's fault.
She swerved into another lane to get out of his way after the cop pulled a U turn and gunned it at her for no reason
Where did you read this? I read she made a lane change without signalling (right in front of the cop).
She stated in the video that she saw the officer speeding up behind her and she moved over to get out of his way. She didn't signal. I'm curious to know what she was being arrested for before she assaulted the officer.
When will people just listen to what the fucking cops tell them? Put the cigarette out. That's not a hard thing to do. Stupidity.
I agree it's never a good idea to defiantly disregard a police officer and am in no way blaming the officer for what happened in her cell, but don't you think it could have been avoided by just giving her the ticket and sending her on her way? His own governing body has already stated he didn't act in a professional manner and didn't follow their procedures. It should have never came to that point.
His own governing body is in job saving mode. I don't think this cop should be fired, but he will be. There was no abuse, no shooting, no brutality. I think the lady should have just put her cigarette out. Period. All she was doing was provoking. She deserved what she got.
Whoa, SHE was provoking? HE was provoking her and she should have remained in control, but she was clearly baited. He was asking her to perform an action that was clearly outside of the law and his rights to police. If he had asked her to take her blouse off or touch herself should she do that as well?
Turning off the music, putting out her cigarette, shutting the vehicle off, and things like that are very reasonable requests. The ones you've tried to compare his request to are silly. Why do that?
A cop doesn't have to breathe in someone's smoke as he performs his duties just like the clerk doesn't at the grocery store. The cop also doesn't have to worry about extreme scenarios such as an angry individual placing the cigarette out on his arm.
A reasonable request, sure it is. An arrestable offense? Of course not. This is a classic power trip, he had just as much opportunity to be reasonable and calm as she did. This officer assaulted the woman because she disrespected him. If I disrespect you do you have the right to assault me?? Sometimes it seems like some people are desperate to give their rights away to anyone in a uniform.
So if a person basically tells a copy to go f**k themselves when the cop asks them to do something that is reasonable... the cop should go f**k themselves?
A colleague got upset when he was denied service at a local establishment. Cops were called. He became indignant. He ended up in jail. Nobody there was saying, "Geezuz what a bunch of dicks. Why couldn't he have gotten another beer? And jail is a little extreme dontcha think?" People were saying, "What a f**king idiot."
He made requests. She became indignant and disrespectful. The cop lost patience. She ended up in jail. What she chose to do in jail is on her unless it can be definitively proven otherwise.
Sometimes it seems like some people feel cops have no authority whatsoever. We have given them this authority, RG. And having said that... we need to respect the authority we have given them. Any questionable behaviours on the part of law enforcement in this case came after this woman acted like an idiot.
At the time being, this unfortunate incident is her doing. If a rightful investigation proves otherwise, we can say something differently. I doubt that will happen- I'm not inclined to think Texas jail guards hung this woman. If I was, I would be no different than those people who- routinely getting slammed for it- think Obama is trying to get their guns. Foolish.
The cop should control his/her emotions and ignore the request which the law doesn't require to be complied with...just like this woman ignored the request with which she had a right to not comply.
The cop has a right to issue a ticket without having some idiot blow smoke in his face.
Everywhere in society we protect those who do not care for second hand smoke. He never tried to seize her cigarettes... he asked her to put it out so he didn't have to consume toxins while he dealt with her.
I know you think we should be able to shit all over cops and they should patiently put up with it, but I don't.
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Interesting comparison....Bland is dead, this dude gets advice
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Bland's family has called for an independent autopsy and involvement by the U.S. Department of Justice in the probe of her death.
"I am angry because of the way she died," Bland's mother, Geneva Reed-Veal, said at the memorial. "All I want to know is why."
A colleague got upset when he was denied service at a local establishment. Cops were called. He became indignant. He ended up in jail. Nobody there was saying, "Geezuz what a bunch of dicks. Why couldn't he have gotten another beer? And jail is a little extreme dontcha think?" People were saying, "What a f**king idiot."
He made requests. She became indignant and disrespectful. The cop lost patience. She ended up in jail. What she chose to do in jail is on her unless it can be definitively proven otherwise.
Sometimes it seems like some people feel cops have no authority whatsoever. We have given them this authority, RG. And having said that... we need to respect the authority we have given them. Any questionable behaviours on the part of law enforcement in this case came after this woman acted like an idiot.
At the time being, this unfortunate incident is her doing. If a rightful investigation proves otherwise, we can say something differently. I doubt that will happen- I'm not inclined to think Texas jail guards hung this woman. If I was, I would be no different than those people who- routinely getting slammed for it- think Obama is trying to get their guns. Foolish.
Exactly how do these situations compare?
Still doesn't compare.
I guess you're right...the lady with the cigarette is dead. The dude with the assault rifle isn't. No comparison at all.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
So... good try. But no.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
The cop had no right to escalate the situation. He should have given her a ticket and been on his way. Instead he violated her civil rights. We'll see how it turns out.
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
She was pulled over for swerving into another lane without signalling. This was likely going to be the extent of it, however she began to act like an idiot and... just like my colleague... paid for her idiocy with a trip to the jail. Again, what she did there was her business's not the cop's fault.
As far as the Bland family....it is NOT an unreasonable request by the family to have an autopsy and an investigation into to her death no matter what the circumstances/reasons that got her in jail. The reason being the Bland woman is dead nothing can change that but coming to some conclusion that led to her death will give the family some peace while Ms Bland is put to rest.
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You see it as 'he escalated the situation'? Others see it as 'she escalated the situation'. You are a comply guy- just like me- because we are not idiots. Let's not excuse her idiocy in complicating this issue: the cop was prepared to issue a ticket and proceed with his day. She lit the flames here. The cop could have ignored if so inclined, but I guess he wasn't feeling too patient and nor should we demand so. We should demand people not badger law enforcement after they have attracted their attention by violating the laws of the land.
There should only be one wild card in any situation when the police deal with the public and that is the untrained public. I expect police to handle situations in a trained, controlled manner. Not to escalate a situation and make it worse.
Obviously, you and I see the potential danger in the second situation, but Texans don't or else they would do something about such outrageousness.
Did he lead her out of camera view? Pretty questionable
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
I guess it's which side of the fence you sit on. From my perspective, which I've already detailed, if you want to mess with the bull... sometimes you get the horn. And you know this: that is why you said you are a compliant one when dealing with the 'authorities'.
A trip to jail never killed her and had the potential to teach her some sensibility. Her decision to hang herself killed her.
If a kid doesn't comply with reasonable teacher requests, this is viewed as disobedience and is discipline of some form is administered.
Are you lobbying for a society that thumbs their nose at authority when they don't feel like cooperating? Somehow, I just don't see that as being fantastic.
Everywhere in society we protect those who do not care for second hand smoke. He never tried to seize her cigarettes... he asked her to put it out so he didn't have to consume toxins while he dealt with her.
I know you think we should be able to shit all over cops and they should patiently put up with it, but I don't.