Another Bullsh$@ Manufactured story to provoke the race card.

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

Last-12-Exit said:

When will people just listen to what the fucking cops tell them? Put the cigarette out. That's not a hard thing to do. Stupidity.

I agree it's never a good idea to defiantly disregard a police officer and am in no way blaming the officer for what happened in her cell, but don't you think it could have been avoided by just giving her the ticket and sending her on her way? His own governing body has already stated he didn't act in a professional manner and didn't follow their procedures. It should have never came to that point.

His own governing body is in job saving mode. I don't think this cop should be fired, but he will be. There was no abuse, no shooting, no brutality. I think the lady should have just put her cigarette out. Period. All she was doing was provoking. She deserved what she got.

Whoa, SHE was provoking? HE was provoking her and she should have remained in control, but she was clearly baited.
He was asking her to perform an action that was clearly outside of the law and his rights to police.
If he had asked her to take her blouse off or touch herself should she do that as well?

Turning off the music, putting out her cigarette, shutting the vehicle off, and things like that are very reasonable requests. The ones you've tried to compare his request to are silly. Why do that?

A cop doesn't have to breathe in someone's smoke as he performs his duties just like the clerk doesn't at the grocery store. The cop also doesn't have to worry about extreme scenarios such as an angry individual placing the cigarette out on his arm.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

Last-12-Exit said:

When will people just listen to what the fucking cops tell them? Put the cigarette out. That's not a hard thing to do. Stupidity.

I agree it's never a good idea to defiantly disregard a police officer and am in no way blaming the officer for what happened in her cell, but don't you think it could have been avoided by just giving her the ticket and sending her on her way? His own governing body has already stated he didn't act in a professional manner and didn't follow their procedures. It should have never came to that point.

His own governing body is in job saving mode. I don't think this cop should be fired, but he will be. There was no abuse, no shooting, no brutality. I think the lady should have just put her cigarette out. Period. All she was doing was provoking. She deserved what she got.

Whoa, SHE was provoking? HE was provoking her and she should have remained in control, but she was clearly baited.
He was asking her to perform an action that was clearly outside of the law and his rights to police.
If he had asked her to take her blouse off or touch herself should she do that as well?

Turning off the music, putting out her cigarette, shutting the vehicle off, and things like that are very reasonable requests. The ones you've tried to compare his request to are silly. Why do that?

A cop doesn't have to breathe in someone's smoke as he performs his duties just like the clerk doesn't at the grocery store. The cop also doesn't have to worry about extreme scenarios such as an angry individual placing the cigarette out on his arm.

A reasonable request, sure it is. An arrestable offense? Of course not. This is a classic power trip, he had just as much opportunity to be reasonable and calm as she did. This officer assaulted the woman because she disrespected him. If I disrespect you do you have the right to assault me??
Sometimes it seems like some people are desperate to give their rights away to anyone in a uniform.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/sandra-bland-dashcam-arrest-video-released-by-texas-police-1.3162790

Why was she in jail for 3 days before her death?

Also, if anyone dies in police custody there should be a detailed investigation....that's a no brainer.

rr165892 said:

dignin said:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/sandra-bland-dashcam-arrest-video-released-by-texas-police-1.3162790

Why was she in jail for 3 days before her death?

Also, if anyone dies in police custody there should be a detailed investigation....that's a no brainer.

Fine Dig,but let's call it an investigation and not jump directly to this has to be a murder.A simple we will look into all evidence and pursue as needed would be fine.

That's all fair rr. But I don't think the families requests are unreasonable. I would be asking the same questions as I'm sure you would be if one of your loved ones died while in custody.

Bland's family has called for an independent autopsy and involvement by the U.S. Department of Justice in the probe of her death.

"I am angry because of the way she died," Bland's mother, Geneva Reed-Veal, said at the memorial. "All I want to know is why."

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Last-12-Exit said:

WhatYouTaughtMe said:

Last-12-Exit said:

When will people just listen to what the fucking cops tell them? Put the cigarette out. That's not a hard thing to do. Stupidity.

I agree it's never a good idea to defiantly disregard a police officer and am in no way blaming the officer for what happened in her cell, but don't you think it could have been avoided by just giving her the ticket and sending her on her way? His own governing body has already stated he didn't act in a professional manner and didn't follow their procedures. It should have never came to that point.

His own governing body is in job saving mode. I don't think this cop should be fired, but he will be. There was no abuse, no shooting, no brutality. I think the lady should have just put her cigarette out. Period. All she was doing was provoking. She deserved what she got.

Whoa, SHE was provoking? HE was provoking her and she should have remained in control, but she was clearly baited.
He was asking her to perform an action that was clearly outside of the law and his rights to police.
If he had asked her to take her blouse off or touch herself should she do that as well?

Turning off the music, putting out her cigarette, shutting the vehicle off, and things like that are very reasonable requests. The ones you've tried to compare his request to are silly. Why do that?

A cop doesn't have to breathe in someone's smoke as he performs his duties just like the clerk doesn't at the grocery store. The cop also doesn't have to worry about extreme scenarios such as an angry individual placing the cigarette out on his arm.

A reasonable request, sure it is. An arrestable offense? Of course not. This is a classic power trip, he had just as much opportunity to be reasonable and calm as she did. This officer assaulted the woman because she disrespected him. If I disrespect you do you have the right to assault me??
Sometimes it seems like some people are desperate to give their rights away to anyone in a uniform.

So if a person basically tells a copy to go f**k themselves when the cop asks them to do something that is reasonable... the cop should go f**k themselves?

A colleague got upset when he was denied service at a local establishment. Cops were called. He became indignant. He ended up in jail. Nobody there was saying, "Geezuz what a bunch of dicks. Why couldn't he have gotten another beer? And jail is a little extreme dontcha think?" People were saying, "What a f**king idiot."

He made requests. She became indignant and disrespectful. The cop lost patience. She ended up in jail. What she chose to do in jail is on her unless it can be definitively proven otherwise.

Sometimes it seems like some people feel cops have no authority whatsoever. We have given them this authority, RG. And having said that... we need to respect the authority we have given them. Any questionable behaviours on the part of law enforcement in this case came after this woman acted like an idiot.

At the time being, this unfortunate incident is her doing. If a rightful investigation proves otherwise, we can say something differently. I doubt that will happen- I'm not inclined to think Texas jail guards hung this woman. If I was, I would be no different than those people who- routinely getting slammed for it- think Obama is trying to get their guns. Foolish.

Gern Blansten said:

Both are confrontations with Texas police.

I guess you're right...the lady with the cigarette is dead. The dude with the assault rifle isn't. No comparison at all.

There was no confrontation with the police in the example you presented. The police were called to a scene and the stupid kid had enough sense to be respectful- even though he was doing nothing illegal by counter-protesting with his assault rifle.

So... good try. But no.