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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^^^
    Whoa,
    Fucking, Whoa
    It's
    "Caught a bolt of lightning, cursed the day he let it go"

  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited July 2015
    PJ_Soul said:

    I think the child care benefit is really just a bribe. Of course a little extra money helps.... but it ultimately solves absolutely nothing. It doesn't even come close to allowing parents to have affordable child care. It's just not enough to make a difference when day care cost up to $2000 a MONTH for two young children. So what does the child care benefit provide now? Like $100 a month per child? But the pittance that you are happy to get might make you (the universal you - I don't know who you vote for personally PJfan) think you ought to give your vote to the Conservatives, even though the child care system is still horrible for everyone across Canada (beside Quebec, who cost way more to bribe, apparently). I think a common thought among Canadians (and the British) is "well, it could be worse". But that is a terrible philosophy to ride on when it comes to voting for the federal government.

    Any gov't that gets in though will not be raising the Universal and CCTB by any significant amount anyways.
    So whether it is pittance or a payday for some the amount will still be given not taken away.
    Sometimes parents like the feeling of knowing that "a winter coat this year for my child/ren will be taken care of" vice I am already living to paycheque to paycheque and wish I had just an extra $100 or so this month.

    There is no party currently that will lower daycare costs if elected but all will provide cash benefits to parents.

  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    1ThoughtKnown said:

    The government should never assist in child care. Why does everyone want to live in a nanny state?
    People should be adults and take care of themselves and their families and quit whining for a government hand out. The opportunities are endless in this country.

    Not sure why you're against a gov't assisting families.
    Nanny state is a little strong don't you think? - this is Canada remember...
    Even if you do complain about these benefits you still are entitled to them.
    I certainly would not like to be considered a parent who whines and can't take care of myself for accepting these benefits.
    Opportunities are endless in this country I agree.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    NDP plans $15 a day child care.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited July 2015
    dignin said:

    NDP plans $15 a day child care.

    That's great.
    Did they say how?

    This article has no description of his plan. http://www.ndp.ca/news/mulcair-draws-his-experience-to-launch-affordable-childcare-plan
    Smoke and mirrors.
    Post edited by PJfanwillneverleave1 on
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    dignin said:

    NDP plans $15 a day child care.

    That's great.
    Did they say how?

    This article has no description of his plan. http://www.ndp.ca/news/mulcair-draws-his-experience-to-launch-affordable-childcare-plan
    Smoke and mirrors.
    Q: Where do you find the money to cover the ramp up in spending over eight years towards $5 billion? Raise the GST? Raise corporate tax rates? Eliminate income splitting?

    A: We’re categorically opposed to increasing the GST: It’s a very regressive tax, hits the poor the hardest, so that’s not on the table. We’re going to raise corporate taxes closer to the G7 average. We will scrap the ridiculous income splitting scheme of Stephen Harper that takes billions of dollars from the middle class and gives it to the richest 15 per cent. Those are going to be a clash of 15s in 2015: He’s trying to help the richest 15 per cent, I’m trying to have $15 a day child care.

    http://ottawacitizen.com/news/politics/tom-mulcair-on-the-details-of-the-ndps-child-care-policy
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    It`s a huge campaign promise to make. I highly doubt it is all ``smoke and mirrors``
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    dignin said:

    It`s a huge campaign promise to make. I highly doubt it is all ``smoke and mirrors``

    Through all of his campaign promise and media interviews no timeline is given as to when this will come into effect.

  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    dignin said:

    It`s a huge campaign promise to make. I highly doubt it is all ``smoke and mirrors``

    Through all of his campaign promise and media interviews no timeline is given as to when this will come into effect.

    That is a fair criticism. But I`m sure he will be held more to account once were in full election swing, and will have to give a more concrete plan. If not it will obviously be to his (and the NDP`s) detriment.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    dignin said:

    It`s a huge campaign promise to make. I highly doubt it is all ``smoke and mirrors``

    Through all of his campaign promise and media interviews no timeline is given as to when this will come into effect.

    It's early days - they need to hold some info back so they can release it as and when it best suits. I'm not knocking the NDP for that - all the parties do that and always will - they will have a long campaign to get through and need to keep up excitement throughout somehow.
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    oftenreading said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    dignin said:

    It`s a huge campaign promise to make. I highly doubt it is all ``smoke and mirrors``

    Through all of his campaign promise and media interviews no timeline is given as to when this will come into effect.

    It's early days - they need to hold some info back so they can release it as and when it best suits. I'm not knocking the NDP for that - all the parties do that and always will - they will have a long campaign to get through and need to keep up excitement throughout somehow.
    Excitement?
    This is not a PJ special announcement.
    This is a prospective leader promising a major change in our country.
    Announcing a timeline would in no way affect them. If anything it would put pressure on other parties to challenge them to do the same.
    Don't fuck with our heads NDP - show us more.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    ^^^^ If it was a PJ special announcement we would all be paying a lot more attention, but PJfan you know how this game is played.
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^
    Yes and the gameplay is there but the user interface could use some more backing.
  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^^^
    Whoa,
    Fucking, Whoa
    It's
    "Caught a bolt of lightning, cursed the day he let it go"

    :clap:
    I was going to fire this back up one way or another
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,680
    edited July 2015
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I think the child care benefit is really just a bribe. Of course a little extra money helps.... but it ultimately solves absolutely nothing. It doesn't even come close to allowing parents to have affordable child care. It's just not enough to make a difference when day care cost up to $2000 a MONTH for two young children. So what does the child care benefit provide now? Like $100 a month per child? But the pittance that you are happy to get might make you (the universal you - I don't know who you vote for personally PJfan) think you ought to give your vote to the Conservatives, even though the child care system is still horrible for everyone across Canada (beside Quebec, who cost way more to bribe, apparently). I think a common thought among Canadians (and the British) is "well, it could be worse". But that is a terrible philosophy to ride on when it comes to voting for the federal government.

    Any gov't that gets in though will not be raising the Universal and CCTB by any significant amount anyways.
    So whether it is pittance or a payday for some the amount will still be given not taken away.
    Sometimes parents like the feeling of knowing that "a winter coat this year for my child/ren will be taken care of" vice I am already living to paycheque to paycheque and wish I had just an extra $100 or so this month.

    There is no party currently that will lower daycare costs if elected but all will provide cash benefits to parents.

    Oh, no, I don't mean to say that any other party would suddenly do so much better. I just meant that I think it is what the Conservatives are doing. Never said that another wouldn't also do it (perhaps in different ways). Though in don't know what the other parties would really do in any case if they actually took over. It's been too long under the same party to know that. But let's be clear: I don't really trust any political party. I just agree much more with the philosophies of some over others (well, over one other. For the most part it's not so much about what I like, but what I really hate... which is depressing, but I can't bring myself to any other choice. But still, there a few things 8 like about other parties. They'd probably legalize weed. And would actually do something about the euthanasia decision. And allow scientists to do their jobs more openly. And the PM would probably lower himself enough to actually speak to the citizens of Canada once in a while, ffs).
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited July 2015
    ^^^
    Well no one ever said you can't vote with your gut.
    Post edited by PJfanwillneverleave1 on
  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    edited July 2015
    Wasn't there a decision made on Euthanasia recently? Perhaps that was just the Supreme Court... Appointed judges who make laws for us because the elected officials don't have the balls

    Edit: passive euthanasia (withholding or withdrawing of life-preserving procedures including water and food) and active euthanasia (intentionally killing a person to relieve pain). Whereas passive euthanasia is legal in Canada, active euthanasia is illegal and is considered to be murder.
    Post edited by 1ThoughtKnown on
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    1ThoughtKnown said:

    Wasn't there a decision made on Euthanasia recently? Perhaps that was just the Supreme Court... Appointed judges who make laws for us because the elected officials don't have the balls

    Edit: passive euthanasia (withholding or withdrawing of life-preserving procedures including water and food) and active euthanasia (intentionally killing a person to relieve pain). Whereas passive euthanasia is legal in Canada, active euthanasia is illegal and is considered to be murder.

    Actually, your original post was more correct than your edit. The ban on physician-assisted suicide was struck down but held for one year in order to give time for legislation to be drafted that codifies allowed practices (or not). That would be closer to "active euthanasia" than passive euthanasia in your post, although not identical as it would permit physicians to, for instance, prescribe a lethal dose of medication that the patient would take themselves. This will only apply to adults who are mentally competent to make the decision themselves (i.e. it can't be made by a substitute decision maker for an incompetent person) and the individual must have a condition that is physically or psychologically intolerable, but does not need to be immediately terminal.
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,680
    edited July 2015
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    ^^^
    Well no one ever said you can't vote with your gut.

    That's not what I was saying and not what i do, but I guess anyone can vote for any reason they want.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • 1ThoughtKnown
    1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    edited July 2015
    Watched "The Four Horsemen" documentary last night, certainly gave me a lot to think about.
    I'm still trying to process it all, as we do not have the (quite) same central bank situation as the USA, however we are all involved in the FIAT monetary system.
    It certainly was food for thought, especially with some of the respected people who were commenting in the documentary.
    Is it the system? If it is, you can never blame the system because humans created it.
    The fascinating part to me is Classical Economics vs. Neoclassical Economics. Taxing the RESOURCES instead of sales tax/income tax. I will admit, it is becoming apparent trickle down economics is not working. The debt load is becoming unmanageable.
    I never would have thought/known US aid would have caused more problems in foreign countries than helped.

    I can honestly say . . . Perhaps, Keynesian economics has it all wrong, and a return to classical economics can save the west...
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