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Yes, the ever reliable electronic intifada. Conveniently ignoring ALL context. They must have just gone up to this man and beaten him for no reason. You can see the full video in the article below. Of course the entire episode was cut down to ignore the context. As is the case in most situations, the facts are actually much more complicated and there is likely wrongdoing on both sides.badbrains said:
Apparently NOT. Wow, this shits fucken disturbing.Halifax2TheMax said:Is there any good news that comes out of this country?
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/video-israeli-soldiers-brutally-beat-palestinian-dad
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/New-video-exposes-provocation-leading-up-to-IDF-soldiers-beating-Palestinian-4063490 -
I could post good news virtually every day, but nobody here seems to want to hear it. Thanks to certain people here, this is an echo chamber of Israel bashing. What's funny is that probably 100% of them have never been there. If you'd like, I could share more positive stories.Halifax2TheMax said:Is there any good news that comes out of this country?
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Simple solution, get out of the occupied territories. Oh that's right, can't, still more land to steal.JohnnieBeBlue said:
Yes, the ever reliable electronic intifada. Conveniently ignoring ALL context. They must have just gone up to this man and beaten him for no reason. You can see the full video in the article below. Of course the entire episode was cut down to ignore the context. As is the case in most situations, the facts are actually much more complicated and there is likely wrongdoing on both sides.badbrains said:
Apparently NOT. Wow, this shits fucken disturbing.Halifax2TheMax said:Is there any good news that comes out of this country?
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/video-israeli-soldiers-brutally-beat-palestinian-dad
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/New-video-exposes-provocation-leading-up-to-IDF-soldiers-beating-Palestinian-4063490 -
That video showed the idf acting like thugs threatening to shoot him and arrest them for taking their pictures? LolJohnnieBeBlue said:
Yes, the ever reliable electronic intifada. Conveniently ignoring ALL context. They must have just gone up to this man and beaten him for no reason. You can see the full video in the article below. Of course the entire episode was cut down to ignore the context. As is the case in most situations, the facts are actually much more complicated and there is likely wrongdoing on both sides.badbrains said:
Apparently NOT. Wow, this shits fucken disturbing.Halifax2TheMax said:Is there any good news that comes out of this country?
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/video-israeli-soldiers-brutally-beat-palestinian-dad
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/New-video-exposes-provocation-leading-up-to-IDF-soldiers-beating-Palestinian-4063490 -
No. The video shows the man clearly provoking them. What do you think would happen if a man in Iraq put his hand on the gun of a US soldier? I'd say that the soldiers showed tremendous restraint.badbrains said:
That video showed the idf acting like thugs threatening to shoot him and arrest them for taking their pictures? LolJohnnieBeBlue said:
Yes, the ever reliable electronic intifada. Conveniently ignoring ALL context. They must have just gone up to this man and beaten him for no reason. You can see the full video in the article below. Of course the entire episode was cut down to ignore the context. As is the case in most situations, the facts are actually much more complicated and there is likely wrongdoing on both sides.badbrains said:
Apparently NOT. Wow, this shits fucken disturbing.Halifax2TheMax said:Is there any good news that comes out of this country?
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/video-israeli-soldiers-brutally-beat-palestinian-dad
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/New-video-exposes-provocation-leading-up-to-IDF-soldiers-beating-Palestinian-4063490 -
Your video shows it all started by the idf soldier threatening a "diff" Palestinian for taking his pic. The other Palestinian came in and the idf started calling him names and insulting him, thus the Palestinian responding back with insults. You can spin it anyway you want, that man has super balls for trying to defend himself to a thug with assault rifle. Imagine if the idf soldier DIDNT have that assault rifle? Different story NO DOUBT.JohnnieBeBlue said:
No. The video shows the man clearly provoking them. What do you think would happen if a man in Iraq put his hand on the gun of a US soldier? I'd say that the soldiers showed tremendous restraint.badbrains said:
That video showed the idf acting like thugs threatening to shoot him and arrest them for taking their pictures? LolJohnnieBeBlue said:
Yes, the ever reliable electronic intifada. Conveniently ignoring ALL context. They must have just gone up to this man and beaten him for no reason. You can see the full video in the article below. Of course the entire episode was cut down to ignore the context. As is the case in most situations, the facts are actually much more complicated and there is likely wrongdoing on both sides.badbrains said:
Apparently NOT. Wow, this shits fucken disturbing.Halifax2TheMax said:Is there any good news that comes out of this country?
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/video-israeli-soldiers-brutally-beat-palestinian-dad
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/New-video-exposes-provocation-leading-up-to-IDF-soldiers-beating-Palestinian-4063490 -
I guess you see what you'd like, but what I see is a man trying to get a rise out of the soldiers so it can be recorded by the sympathetic media. And that's exactly what he did.badbrains said:
Your video shows it all started by the idf soldier threatening a "diff" Palestinian for taking his pic. The other Palestinian came in and the idf started calling him names and insulting him, thus the Palestinian responding back with insults. You can spin it anyway you want, that man has super balls for trying to defend himself to a thug with assault rifle. Imagine if the idf soldier DIDNT have that assault rifle? Different story NO DOUBT.JohnnieBeBlue said:
No. The video shows the man clearly provoking them. What do you think would happen if a man in Iraq put his hand on the gun of a US soldier? I'd say that the soldiers showed tremendous restraint.badbrains said:
That video showed the idf acting like thugs threatening to shoot him and arrest them for taking their pictures? LolJohnnieBeBlue said:
Yes, the ever reliable electronic intifada. Conveniently ignoring ALL context. They must have just gone up to this man and beaten him for no reason. You can see the full video in the article below. Of course the entire episode was cut down to ignore the context. As is the case in most situations, the facts are actually much more complicated and there is likely wrongdoing on both sides.badbrains said:
Apparently NOT. Wow, this shits fucken disturbing.Halifax2TheMax said:Is there any good news that comes out of this country?
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/video-israeli-soldiers-brutally-beat-palestinian-dad
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/New-video-exposes-provocation-leading-up-to-IDF-soldiers-beating-Palestinian-4063490 -
Ya, you're right. He tried to get a rise out of soldiers carrying assault rifles and who are trigger happy at anything that moves. How did I not see that? (Sarcasm)JohnnieBeBlue said:
I guess you see what you'd like, but what I see is a man trying to get a rise out of the soldiers so it can be recorded by the sympathetic media. And that's exactly what he did.badbrains said:
Your video shows it all started by the idf soldier threatening a "diff" Palestinian for taking his pic. The other Palestinian came in and the idf started calling him names and insulting him, thus the Palestinian responding back with insults. You can spin it anyway you want, that man has super balls for trying to defend himself to a thug with assault rifle. Imagine if the idf soldier DIDNT have that assault rifle? Different story NO DOUBT.JohnnieBeBlue said:
No. The video shows the man clearly provoking them. What do you think would happen if a man in Iraq put his hand on the gun of a US soldier? I'd say that the soldiers showed tremendous restraint.badbrains said:
That video showed the idf acting like thugs threatening to shoot him and arrest them for taking their pictures? LolJohnnieBeBlue said:
Yes, the ever reliable electronic intifada. Conveniently ignoring ALL context. They must have just gone up to this man and beaten him for no reason. You can see the full video in the article below. Of course the entire episode was cut down to ignore the context. As is the case in most situations, the facts are actually much more complicated and there is likely wrongdoing on both sides.badbrains said:
Apparently NOT. Wow, this shits fucken disturbing.Halifax2TheMax said:Is there any good news that comes out of this country?
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/video-israeli-soldiers-brutally-beat-palestinian-dad
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/New-video-exposes-provocation-leading-up-to-IDF-soldiers-beating-Palestinian-4063490 -
Yes, they seemed very trigger happy here (sarcasm). You do a great job of generalizing a huge group of people as murderous lunatics.badbrains said:
Ya, you're right. He tried to get a rise out of soldiers carrying assault rifles and who are trigger happy at anything that moves. How did I not see that? (Sarcasm)JohnnieBeBlue said:
I guess you see what you'd like, but what I see is a man trying to get a rise out of the soldiers so it can be recorded by the sympathetic media. And that's exactly what he did.badbrains said:
Your video shows it all started by the idf soldier threatening a "diff" Palestinian for taking his pic. The other Palestinian came in and the idf started calling him names and insulting him, thus the Palestinian responding back with insults. You can spin it anyway you want, that man has super balls for trying to defend himself to a thug with assault rifle. Imagine if the idf soldier DIDNT have that assault rifle? Different story NO DOUBT.JohnnieBeBlue said:
No. The video shows the man clearly provoking them. What do you think would happen if a man in Iraq put his hand on the gun of a US soldier? I'd say that the soldiers showed tremendous restraint.badbrains said:
That video showed the idf acting like thugs threatening to shoot him and arrest them for taking their pictures? LolJohnnieBeBlue said:
Yes, the ever reliable electronic intifada. Conveniently ignoring ALL context. They must have just gone up to this man and beaten him for no reason. You can see the full video in the article below. Of course the entire episode was cut down to ignore the context. As is the case in most situations, the facts are actually much more complicated and there is likely wrongdoing on both sides.badbrains said:
Apparently NOT. Wow, this shits fucken disturbing.Halifax2TheMax said:Is there any good news that comes out of this country?
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/video-israeli-soldiers-brutally-beat-palestinian-dad
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/New-video-exposes-provocation-leading-up-to-IDF-soldiers-beating-Palestinian-4063490 -
To be honest, Nart and JohnnieBeBlue - we've seen this time and time again. I could probably find a very similar, if not identical, situation and response and banter from six months ago, a year ago, a year and a half ago, etc. And the end of the discussion is usually the same: people walk out of the conversation with the same opinions they held when they walked into it.
What's new to the table, and will probably lead to change in ways that reporting about the shitty situation can't, is Mahmoud Abbas' dissolution of the national unity government, in his attempt to create a trans-factional government, representing the wide gamut of the political spectrum.
http://mondoweiss.net/2015/06/palestinian-government-national
A few things that jump out at me:
-This came out of the blue, at the onset of Ramadan. This could have been intentional, to minimize violent protest from Gaza
-This comes a week before Abbas' government was (is?) set to present war crimes about Israel to the International Criminal Court. To me, I do wonder whether this dissolution would strip Abbas' government of liability, should the court find Hamas guilty of war crimes as well
-This forces a predicament for Israel: without the presence of Hamas, should that faction be excluded from the new government, hopefully Israel will consider that a legitimate entity to negotiate with, since it's abundantly clear that they had never, nor would ever, consider Hamas a partner in negotiation'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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Won't even be mentioned in the states.mickeyrat said:0 -
Oh it is on the news sites. AJA was first in google so.....badbrains said:
Won't even be mentioned in the states.mickeyrat said:
To be cynical it will get at least SOME mention because it involves a christiam church.
What I have read was 10 teenagers were tsken in for questioning and released with no charges as yet. From a settlement im the region. Graffiti was sprayed also, something about no worship of false gods"_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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mickeyrat said:
Oh it is on the news sites. AJA was first in google so.....badbrains said:
Won't even be mentioned in the states.mickeyrat said:
To be cynical it will get at least SOME mention because it involves a christiam church.
What I have read was 10 teenagers were tsken in for questioning and released with no charges as yet. From a settlement im the region. Graffiti was sprayed also, something about no worship of false gods"
Not the first time this has happened there. Funny thing tho, when I googled, NONE of the major news agency in the U.S. came up on page 1.
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/2/26/suspected-israeli-nationalists-torch-christian-seminary-in-jerusalem.htmlPost edited by badbrains on0 -
My last go through cnn was tops_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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I'm sorry, but I see literally nothing good that comes out of bringing attention to the shit in the region anymore when we all know the trends. Why not discuss ways to change or ways to add momentum to the few things that can bring change (the new Palestinian government and how that will look, defining the Jewish identity so that Palestinians may be brought closer to equal while maintaining a Jewish sovereignty for the time being, etc.), rather than stirring a pot and ensuring that a topic you care about remains stagnant? To shout about what's wrong without proposing solutions is not only doing nothing - it's an overall destructive act that adds to the animosity between two groups. You don't drive change by pointing out the sins of the world: you discuss how you can correct them.mickeyrat said:'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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Its relevant indication of the uphill battle we all face, coming from settlements (interested to know if on illegally occupied lands).benjs said:
I'm sorry, but I see literally nothing good that comes out of bringing attention to the shit in the region anymore when we all know the trends. Why not discuss ways to change or ways to add momentum to the few things that can bring change (the new Palestinian government and how that will look, defining the Jewish identity so that Palestinians may be brought closer to equal while maintaining a Jewish sovereignty for the time being, etc.), rather than stirring a pot and ensuring that a topic you care about remains stagnant? To shout about what's wrong without proposing solutions is not only doing nothing - it's an overall destructive act that adds to the animosity between two groups. You don't drive change by pointing out the sins of the world: you discuss how you can correct them.mickeyrat said:
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140 -
100% relevant.mickeyrat said:
Its relevant indication of the uphill battle we all face, coming from settlements (interested to know if on illegally occupied lands).benjs said:
I'm sorry, but I see literally nothing good that comes out of bringing attention to the shit in the region anymore when we all know the trends. Why not discuss ways to change or ways to add momentum to the few things that can bring change (the new Palestinian government and how that will look, defining the Jewish identity so that Palestinians may be brought closer to equal while maintaining a Jewish sovereignty for the time being, etc.), rather than stirring a pot and ensuring that a topic you care about remains stagnant? To shout about what's wrong without proposing solutions is not only doing nothing - it's an overall destructive act that adds to the animosity between two groups. You don't drive change by pointing out the sins of the world: you discuss how you can correct them.mickeyrat said:0 -
Again - it is not news. It has been reported time and time again. And yes, it's an uphill battle. Now what?mickeyrat said:
Its relevant indication of the uphill battle we all face, coming from settlements (interested to know if on illegally occupied lands).benjs said:
I'm sorry, but I see literally nothing good that comes out of bringing attention to the shit in the region anymore when we all know the trends. Why not discuss ways to change or ways to add momentum to the few things that can bring change (the new Palestinian government and how that will look, defining the Jewish identity so that Palestinians may be brought closer to equal while maintaining a Jewish sovereignty for the time being, etc.), rather than stirring a pot and ensuring that a topic you care about remains stagnant? To shout about what's wrong without proposing solutions is not only doing nothing - it's an overall destructive act that adds to the animosity between two groups. You don't drive change by pointing out the sins of the world: you discuss how you can correct them.mickeyrat said:
When you see an enemy do you exclusively say "he's really strong", go home and tell your allies, "he's really strong", and then continue to tell your allies how mighty your foe is? By doing this, you instil fear in your allies, and create a further mental gap between yourselves and those on the opposite side.
Alternatively, you can devote your time and energy to strategize for how you're going to tackle a problem at hand with two distinct entities who need to see eye-to-eye in order to solve it. We've sufficiently defined problems here, and until people here are willing to pivot to solution-seeking instead of problem-reiterating, I still say that there isn't a single positive thing that can come out of this conversation.
I couldn't disagree more: I do not find this relevant, as I do not feel that this is news. It is hugely redundant from a thematic perspective. Incredibly fucking tragic - don't get me wrong - but redundant. I still can't comprehend why people would rather argue over who was wrong here, rather than admit that this situation is just plain fucked up, and start to discuss how to end it.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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