What the hell happened in Wisconsin?

rgambs said:

Of course not 100% but we could at least TRY for fucking 50% that would be a nice change.

Indifference71 said:

rgambs said:

Indifference71 said:

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

There's nothing that needs to sink in here. Your judge, jury, executioner cries don't fit here. We, the citizens of this country, give the police this right. Every single time a cop shoots a dumb ass for hitting him, the cop is supposed to burn in hell?

I'm pretty sure some would prefer cop funerals versus idiot criminal funerals.

Better safe than sorry... meaning: it's better the cop die or get severely hurt instead of some idiot that engages a cop in a fight at the scene of an investigation getting shot or killed.

Stupidity.

Since it's always the same posters on here on the same sides of the issue.Can we agree that those of us who live in reality,understand that assaulting an officer could and most likely get u killed,much like running around inside a tiger cage with a meat suit on will likely get you eatin.

There sure is a lot of excuses for law breakers,terrorist and folks who don't control there own actions on these boards.ACCOUNTABILITY,people.

Where is the ACCOUNTABILITY in giving police free reign to end the life of anyone they claim is assaulting them?

Just curious....what is a cop supposed to do if someone attacks them? Do you think it's ever acceptable for a cop to shoot someone if they feel their life or people in the area's lives are in danger?

It's easy to just scream about cops shooting people....what's the answer?

A cop should do the same when attacked as you or I should do when attacked...apply force at a level which ends the threat without escalating to fatal force immediately.
Of course I think it's USUALLY acceptable for a cop to shoot someone when they feel their life is in danger!
The problem is that there is no process which actually attempts to determine if their life was in danger or not. The investigations into these shootings are a show and nothing more in most cases, if they weren't, we would see cops losing their jobs more often.

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I don't think there's a process that will ever be able to determine that 100%. Anytime someone attacks a cop, the cop's life is in danger. So what are they supposed to do? Reach for their taser and hope that the person attacking them doesn't get their gun?

That's just a fluffy pile of stinky poo. Seriously?
Prison guards don't just shoot to kill every time they get molested and somehow, they get on ok without being murdered cconstantly.

So you're saying that someone attacking you and trying to steal your gun doesn't put your life in danger?

Also- don't prison guards not carry guns?

rgambs said:

And what about all the folks who get gunned down cuz they had a wallet or,cellphone in their hands... Where is the ACCOUNTABILITY for their killers?

You see now that is valid point.If the person isn't attacking the officer,and an officer shoots a guy just holding his wallet/phone/keys etc.Then that officer should be held to answer for his actions.No question,no argument.Im not advocating that police get to run rough shot in every case.But this discussion is yet another case of a person who physically assaults the officer.Police are trIned to draw their weapons in those situations and in a split second have to not only decide the best course of action for himself and those in proximity .You can't expect them to have the luxury of hindsight in these split second decisions.Bottom line if the punk had not jumped the cop he would be alive.Lets not blame the officer for this kids poor descisions.

put yourself in their situation for a milisecond; they see someone..a possibly shady character who may or may not have just gunned down a kid.....you live in a world where everyone and their dog carries and conceals.......the person refuses to obey your orders, and reaches into their inside jacket pocket when you tell them to put their hands behind their head....it's dark......your child and wife and whole life flash before your eyes......what would YOU do?

You have a SPLIT SECOND to decide if you or someone with you/around you is going to die. That is the reality that cops live in. A split fucking second. All because some dipshit is thinking "but I was just reaching for my phone when you told me to put my hands up! I was getting a TEXT, muthafucka!".

sorry, but in my eyes, you obey the police and their requests. everything else is on you. they do what they do to protect you.

in other scenarios, like being pulled over for no reason, yes, you have every right to question your constitutional rights and if they are being violated, but only do that in a normal, low-stress situation.

rgambs said:

Indifference71 said:

rgambs said:

Of course not 100% but we could at least TRY for fucking 50% that would be a nice change.

Indifference71 said:

rgambs said:

Indifference71 said:

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

There's nothing that needs to sink in here. Your judge, jury, executioner cries don't fit here. We, the citizens of this country, give the police this right. Every single time a cop shoots a dumb ass for hitting him, the cop is supposed to burn in hell?

I'm pretty sure some would prefer cop funerals versus idiot criminal funerals.

Better safe than sorry... meaning: it's better the cop die or get severely hurt instead of some idiot that engages a cop in a fight at the scene of an investigation getting shot or killed.

Stupidity.

Since it's always the same posters on here on the same sides of the issue.Can we agree that those of us who live in reality,understand that assaulting an officer could and most likely get u killed,much like running around inside a tiger cage with a meat suit on will likely get you eatin.

There sure is a lot of excuses for law breakers,terrorist and folks who don't control there own actions on these boards.ACCOUNTABILITY,people.

Where is the ACCOUNTABILITY in giving police free reign to end the life of anyone they claim is assaulting them?

Just curious....what is a cop supposed to do if someone attacks them? Do you think it's ever acceptable for a cop to shoot someone if they feel their life or people in the area's lives are in danger?

It's easy to just scream about cops shooting people....what's the answer?

A cop should do the same when attacked as you or I should do when attacked...apply force at a level which ends the threat without escalating to fatal force immediately.
Of course I think it's USUALLY acceptable for a cop to shoot someone when they feel their life is in danger!
The problem is that there is no process which actually attempts to determine if their life was in danger or not. The investigations into these shootings are a show and nothing more in most cases, if they weren't, we would see cops losing their jobs more often.

.

I don't think there's a process that will ever be able to determine that 100%. Anytime someone attacks a cop, the cop's life is in danger. So what are they supposed to do? Reach for their taser and hope that the person attacking them doesn't get their gun?

That's just a fluffy pile of stinky poo. Seriously?
Prison guards don't just shoot to kill every time they get molested and somehow, they get on ok without being murdered cconstantly.

So you're saying that someone attacking you and trying to steal your gun doesn't put your life in danger?

Also- don't prison guards not carry guns?

I'm saying that just because the cops get impunity by claiming there was an attempt at the weapon doesn't make it true. Body cams would help alot. Do you really think everyone is always reaching for the gun?

Oh yeah- I'm all for body cams. I think some of the constant outrage would go away when people see exactly what some of these cops are dealing with. And it would also weed out the cops that use their weapons when it's unnecessary.

I don't know if people are always reaching for a cops gun. But in order to protect themselves, don't cops have to assume that? I don't know...I don't think there's a perfect solution

rgambs said:

Of course not 100% but we could at least TRY for fucking 50% that would be a nice change.

Indifference71 said:

rgambs said:

Indifference71 said:

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

There's nothing that needs to sink in here. Your judge, jury, executioner cries don't fit here. We, the citizens of this country, give the police this right. Every single time a cop shoots a dumb ass for hitting him, the cop is supposed to burn in hell?

I'm pretty sure some would prefer cop funerals versus idiot criminal funerals.

Better safe than sorry... meaning: it's better the cop die or get severely hurt instead of some idiot that engages a cop in a fight at the scene of an investigation getting shot or killed.

Stupidity.

Since it's always the same posters on here on the same sides of the issue.Can we agree that those of us who live in reality,understand that assaulting an officer could and most likely get u killed,much like running around inside a tiger cage with a meat suit on will likely get you eatin.

There sure is a lot of excuses for law breakers,terrorist and folks who don't control there own actions on these boards.ACCOUNTABILITY,people.

Where is the ACCOUNTABILITY in giving police free reign to end the life of anyone they claim is assaulting them?

Just curious....what is a cop supposed to do if someone attacks them? Do you think it's ever acceptable for a cop to shoot someone if they feel their life or people in the area's lives are in danger?

It's easy to just scream about cops shooting people....what's the answer?

A cop should do the same when attacked as you or I should do when attacked...apply force at a level which ends the threat without escalating to fatal force immediately.
Of course I think it's USUALLY acceptable for a cop to shoot someone when they feel their life is in danger!
The problem is that there is no process which actually attempts to determine if their life was in danger or not. The investigations into these shootings are a show and nothing more in most cases, if they weren't, we would see cops losing their jobs more often.

.

I don't think there's a process that will ever be able to determine that 100%. Anytime someone attacks a cop, the cop's life is in danger. So what are they supposed to do? Reach for their taser and hope that the person attacking them doesn't get their gun?

That's just a fluffy pile of stinky poo. Seriously?
Prison guards don't just shoot to kill every time they get molested and somehow, they get on ok without being murdered cconstantly.

I'm positive we experience better results than 50% of the cop assaults being resolved without lethal force applied.

We only hear of the cases where a shooting occurs because people are lapping these stories up as the flavor of the year.

The amount of good police work to bad police work is astronomically disproportionate. And I'm not saying this shooting sounds like bad police work- it sounds like idiot went and got himself shot by being an idiot.

Sure glad we didn't read of a cop getting killed on duty. Such a thread would only prompt three people to comment.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Of course not 100% but we could at least TRY for fucking 50% that would be a nice change.

Indifference71 said:

rgambs said:

Indifference71 said:

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

There's nothing that needs to sink in here. Your judge, jury, executioner cries don't fit here. We, the citizens of this country, give the police this right. Every single time a cop shoots a dumb ass for hitting him, the cop is supposed to burn in hell?

I'm pretty sure some would prefer cop funerals versus idiot criminal funerals.

Better safe than sorry... meaning: it's better the cop die or get severely hurt instead of some idiot that engages a cop in a fight at the scene of an investigation getting shot or killed.

Stupidity.

Since it's always the same posters on here on the same sides of the issue.Can we agree that those of us who live in reality,understand that assaulting an officer could and most likely get u killed,much like running around inside a tiger cage with a meat suit on will likely get you eatin.

There sure is a lot of excuses for law breakers,terrorist and folks who don't control there own actions on these boards.ACCOUNTABILITY,people.

Where is the ACCOUNTABILITY in giving police free reign to end the life of anyone they claim is assaulting them?

Just curious....what is a cop supposed to do if someone attacks them? Do you think it's ever acceptable for a cop to shoot someone if they feel their life or people in the area's lives are in danger?

It's easy to just scream about cops shooting people....what's the answer?

A cop should do the same when attacked as you or I should do when attacked...apply force at a level which ends the threat without escalating to fatal force immediately.
Of course I think it's USUALLY acceptable for a cop to shoot someone when they feel their life is in danger!
The problem is that there is no process which actually attempts to determine if their life was in danger or not. The investigations into these shootings are a show and nothing more in most cases, if they weren't, we would see cops losing their jobs more often.

.

I don't think there's a process that will ever be able to determine that 100%. Anytime someone attacks a cop, the cop's life is in danger. So what are they supposed to do? Reach for their taser and hope that the person attacking them doesn't get their gun?

That's just a fluffy pile of stinky poo. Seriously?
Prison guards don't just shoot to kill every time they get molested and somehow, they get on ok without being murdered cconstantly.

I'm positive we experience better results than 50% of the cop assaults being resolved without lethal force applied.

We only hear of the cases where a shooting occurs because people are lapping these stories up as the flavor of the year.

The amount of good police work to bad police work is astronomically disproportionate. And I'm not saying this shooting sounds like bad police work- it sounds like idiot went and got himself shot by being an idiot.

Sure glad we didn't read of a cop getting killed on duty. Such a thread would only prompt three people to comment.

Agree thirty.Most good police work goes un noticed.The crazy amount of life saving they do daily is mind blowing.We are hearing about the latest few "bad stories"as this seems to be the PC flavor of the year.People are more concerned with putting racial overtones on everything instead of you know putting facts and common sense to it.

rgambs said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

rgambs said:

Of course not 100% but we could at least TRY for fucking 50% that would be a nice change.

Indifference71 said:

rgambs said:

Indifference71 said:

rgambs said:

rr165892 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

There's nothing that needs to sink in here. Your judge, jury, executioner cries don't fit here. We, the citizens of this country, give the police this right. Every single time a cop shoots a dumb ass for hitting him, the cop is supposed to burn in hell?

I'm pretty sure some would prefer cop funerals versus idiot criminal funerals.

Better safe than sorry... meaning: it's better the cop die or get severely hurt instead of some idiot that engages a cop in a fight at the scene of an investigation getting shot or killed.

Stupidity.

Since it's always the same posters on here on the same sides of the issue.Can we agree that those of us who live in reality,understand that assaulting an officer could and most likely get u killed,much like running around inside a tiger cage with a meat suit on will likely get you eatin.

There sure is a lot of excuses for law breakers,terrorist and folks who don't control there own actions on these boards.ACCOUNTABILITY,people.

Where is the ACCOUNTABILITY in giving police free reign to end the life of anyone they claim is assaulting them?

Just curious....what is a cop supposed to do if someone attacks them? Do you think it's ever acceptable for a cop to shoot someone if they feel their life or people in the area's lives are in danger?

It's easy to just scream about cops shooting people....what's the answer?

A cop should do the same when attacked as you or I should do when attacked...apply force at a level which ends the threat without escalating to fatal force immediately.
Of course I think it's USUALLY acceptable for a cop to shoot someone when they feel their life is in danger!
The problem is that there is no process which actually attempts to determine if their life was in danger or not. The investigations into these shootings are a show and nothing more in most cases, if they weren't, we would see cops losing their jobs more often.

.

I don't think there's a process that will ever be able to determine that 100%. Anytime someone attacks a cop, the cop's life is in danger. So what are they supposed to do? Reach for their taser and hope that the person attacking them doesn't get their gun?

That's just a fluffy pile of stinky poo. Seriously?
Prison guards don't just shoot to kill every time they get molested and somehow, they get on ok without being murdered cconstantly.

I'm positive we experience better results than 50% of the cop assaults being resolved without lethal force applied.

We only hear of the cases where a shooting occurs because people are lapping these stories up as the flavor of the year.

The amount of good police work to bad police work is astronomically disproportionate. And I'm not saying this shooting sounds like bad police work- it sounds like idiot went and got himself shot by being an idiot.

Sure glad we didn't read of a cop getting killed on duty. Such a thread would only prompt three people to comment.

The 50% was in reference to accountability after a shooting has occurred.


I think alot of our problems in this society would dissapear if we switched cops and Senators salaries!

police should be as high paid as doctors (dependent on core duties, of course). in canada, cops are paid very well. I have HEARD that cops in the states get paid a mere pittance. is this true?

rr165892 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

There's nothing that needs to sink in here. Your judge, jury, executioner cries don't fit here. We, the citizens of this country, give the police this right. Every single time a cop shoots a dumb ass for hitting him, the cop is supposed to burn in hell?

I'm pretty sure some would prefer cop funerals versus idiot criminal funerals.

Better safe than sorry... meaning: it's better the cop die or get severely hurt instead of some idiot that engages a cop in a fight at the scene of an investigation getting shot or killed.

Stupidity.

Since it's always the same posters on here on the same sides of the issue.Can we agree that those of us who live in reality,understand that assaulting an officer could and most likely get u killed,much like running around inside a tiger cage with a meat suit on will likely get you eatin.

There sure is a lot of excuses for law breakers,terrorist and folks who don't control there own actions on these boards.ACCOUNTABILITY,people.

Not that cut and dry and shootings should be investigated. Never blindly accept. So good "those" that are always on "other side" criticize. To your benefit.

Last-12-Exit said:

If it is found that this guy didn't assault the cop, then I am all for him facing charges. The problem is that even when it is proven to be justified, people here and across America, still want to crucify the cops for doing their job.

Problem, yes. But is it a bigger problem than the problems we have with investigating the situation to begin with?