Jesus, hedonist, if you nothing to hide, you'd just say it. I have read this thread since it started, and the only thing that sticks out is that you support the police using deadly force. Prove me wrong.
I think he means the life of the person not being threatening and crazy, and instead trying to protect the public, wins, if one must die.
Ok, I see what you mean. But what if, in turn, it's the cop that's being threatening and crazy. I feel that notion is never discussed, almost as if it's voodoo to even discuss that the police may be the bad guys in some situations. But we now know they can be. So who's life is more valuable? Why is it, we support those in authority with no questions asked? Well, I'm asking that question.
I think he means the life of the person not being threatening and crazy, and instead trying to protect the public, wins, if one must die.
Ok, I see what you mean. But what if, in turn, it's the cop that's being threatening and crazy. I feel that notion is never discussed, almost as if it's voodoo to even discuss that the police may be the bad guys in some situations. But we now know they can be. So who's life is more valuable? Why is it, we support those in authority with no questions asked? Well, I'm asking that question.
If a cop has acted badly, people are more than willing to condemn.
I think he means the life of the person not being threatening and crazy, and instead trying to protect the public, wins, if one must die.
Ok, I see what you mean. But what if, in turn, it's the cop that's being threatening and crazy. I feel that notion is never discussed, almost as if it's voodoo to even discuss that the police may be the bad guys in some situations. But we now know they can be. So who's life is more valuable? Why is it, we support those in authority with no questions asked? Well, I'm asking that question.
If a cop has acted badly, people are more than willing to condemn.
Unless the cop is wrong. Which is exactly what's been happening lately.
I think he means the life of the person not being threatening and crazy, and instead trying to protect the public, wins, if one must die.
Ok, I see what you mean. But what if, in turn, it's the cop that's being threatening and crazy. I feel that notion is never discussed, almost as if it's voodoo to even discuss that the police may be the bad guys in some situations. But we now know they can be. So who's life is more valuable? Why is it, we support those in authority with no questions asked? Well, I'm asking that question.
If a cop has acted badly, people are more than willing to condemn.
Unless the cop is wrong. Which is exactly what's been happening lately.
Me neither.... Do you mean that you think people are leaping to the defense of guilty cops? ... I would agree if you're talking about other cops, the justice system, etc. But definitely not if you mean the general public.
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I think he means the life of the person not being threatening and crazy, and instead trying to protect the public, wins, if one must die.
Ok, I see what you mean. But what if, in turn, it's the cop that's being threatening and crazy. I feel that notion is never discussed, almost as if it's voodoo to even discuss that the police may be the bad guys in some situations. But we now know they can be. So who's life is more valuable? Why is it, we support those in authority with no questions asked? Well, I'm asking that question.
If a cop has acted badly, people are more than willing to condemn.
Unless the cop is wrong. Which is exactly what's been happening lately.
I'm not sure what you mean by this?
Sorry, misunderstood your post initially.
But the public is not entirely up in arms about the poor actions on behalf of the cops lately. Still many defend their actions regardless.
I think he means the life of the person not being threatening and crazy, and instead trying to protect the public, wins, if one must die.
Ok, I see what you mean. But what if, in turn, it's the cop that's being threatening and crazy. I feel that notion is never discussed, almost as if it's voodoo to even discuss that the police may be the bad guys in some situations. But we now know they can be. So who's life is more valuable? Why is it, we support those in authority with no questions asked? Well, I'm asking that question.
If a cop has acted badly, people are more than willing to condemn.
Unless the cop is wrong. Which is exactly what's been happening lately.
I'm not sure what you mean by this?
Sorry, misunderstood your post initially.
But the public is not entirely up in arms about the poor actions on behalf of the cops lately. Still many defend their actions regardless.
It depends on which case you refer to.
If you are referring to the Brown case, the public was incensed... but wrongly so. If you are referring to the Rice case... I hear you. This has been expressed before: the anti-establishment people would have fared very well rallying around Tamir Rice instead of Brown.
The other case that makes me seethe is the Kelly Thomas case. Hearing him cry out for his father as he was getting assaulted by those asshole cops choked me up. Those cops can suffer in Hell for all I care.
Backseat... there are simply way too many good cops that provide an outstanding service while placing their lives on the line for us to condemn them with blanket statements. When one defends themselves against some dickhead trying to assault them... I'm on their side. Period. When one acts out of line and abuses their position of power... I am not.
I think I speak for many when I say such (probably even the ones you listed earlier).
lesson: listen to the cops. it's really just that simple.
I now realize that was just a small fraction of cops, and most are good.
Ya know, I do listen when I get pulled over. It's just a duh move to not to. But I feel that aside from the rest of your post that I didn't quote (but which I appreciate), all the other police supporters here don't ever comment on the topic of police respecting the people they are paid to protect, black or white. I don't feel you guys ever address the NEED to kill, shoot for the chest, and not the shoulder or leg. Where is the backup argument for this. You, Hedonist, 30 bills, Musky, LastExit, etc. I'm talking to you. All you guys do is flat out support with no justification for KILLING another human, when it is supposed to be a last resort. For the sake of humanity, where is your conscience? Do you honestly feel we should obey or else death becomes us, because we dare to question the police?
You reach for a cop's gun, when there are 4 cops and one of you? Death should not be in that equation. The fact that 4 grown men can't handle that scene without killing another man makes the police look BAD. And we are supposed to trust police when they go back and tell their supervisors that THEIR lives were in danger? If there are no witnesses, we are to blankly assume they're telling the truth? That is what's happening and it in no way justifies the death of another human being.
The NEED has been definitively detailed over and over again: in a life and death situation, a cop is trained to put down his assailant decisively- not 'inch up' to the level necessary or take a 'wait and see' tactic. If an assailant reaches for a cop's gun, the officers there fail to disarm them, and a cop or civilian is killed... that's a problem. This is not hard to understand.
The burden of responsibility in the 'bad guy assaults police officer and gets shot' cases lies with the assailant. Don't blame the cop for defending themselves.
Cop abuse is inexcusable. Cop self-defense is excusable.
Bingo….I concur with everything said here from thirty, other than I would replace Cop self-defense is Excusable with EXPECTED.
Let me just share this. After a combination of 15 interviews, aptitude tests, physical tests, psyche tests, drug tests, interviews w/ family and friends, and a Full FBI background check I was asked during my final interview in front of a police board one simple question. And if you hesitate answering this question with a immediate YES you will be escorted off the premises. So here is the question…..Can you KILL another human being who is a threat to your life or another's life?? Think about that for a second…….Can you do it????? Well if you think about it for more than a second you are DEAD. As much as some of you will hate hearing that, its a trait that is a absolute in Law enforcement and absolutely necessary.
I will answer Backseats last question with……..YES, my life is more important than anyone who is trying to kill me or another….
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If you are referring to the Brown case, the public was incensed... but wrongly so. If you are referring to the Rice case... I hear you. This has been expressed before: the anti-establishment people would have fared very well rallying around Tamir Rice instead of Brown.
The other case that makes me seethe is the Kelly Thomas case. Hearing him cry out for his father as he was getting assaulted by those asshole cops choked me up. Those cops can suffer in Hell for all I care.
Backseat... there are simply way too many good cops that provide an outstanding service while placing their lives on the line for us to condemn them with blanket statements. When one defends themselves against some dickhead trying to assault them... I'm on their side. Period. When one acts out of line and abuses their position of power... I am not.
I think I speak for many when I say such (probably even the ones you listed earlier).
I think he means the life of the person not being threatening and crazy, and instead trying to protect the public, wins, if one must die.
Ok, I see what you mean. But what if, in turn, it's the cop that's being threatening and crazy. I feel that notion is never discussed, almost as if it's voodoo to even discuss that the police may be the bad guys in some situations. But we now know they can be. So who's life is more valuable? Why is it, we support those in authority with no questions asked? Well, I'm asking that question.
If a cop has acted badly, people are more than willing to condemn.
Unless the cop is wrong. Which is exactly what's been happening lately.
I'm not sure what you mean by this?
Sorry, misunderstood your post initially.
But the public is not entirely up in arms about the poor actions on behalf of the cops lately. Still many defend their actions regardless.
Backseat... there are simply way too many good cops that provide an outstanding service while placing their lives on the line for us to condemn them with blanket statements. When one defends themselves against some dickhead trying to assault them... I'm on their side. Period. When one acts out of line and abuses their position of power... I am not.
All you guys do is flat out support with no justification for KILLING another human, when it is supposed to be a last resort. For the sake of humanity, where is your conscience? Do you honestly feel we should obey or else death becomes us, because we dare to question the police?
I don't support cops killing people for arguing. I do justify cops shooting people who are putting others in imminent danger. Cops shoot to STOP not shoot to kill. The way you shoot to stop is to aim for center mass. Death is often the unfortunate outcome. But it is an outcome directly caused by the suspect escalating it to that point. You want to excuse criminals for their unlawful behavior and handcuff cops who are trying to protect themselves and others.
And to explicitly answer you latest query, I don't value all life the same, and I think that a scumbag, anti-social, criminals life is less valuable than mine or than the people protecting mine.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
If you are referring to the Brown case, the public was incensed... but wrongly so. If you are referring to the Rice case... I hear you. This has been expressed before: the anti-establishment people would have fared very well rallying around Tamir Rice instead of Brown.
The other case that makes me seethe is the Kelly Thomas case. Hearing him cry out for his father as he was getting assaulted by those asshole cops choked me up. Those cops can suffer in Hell for all I care.
Backseat... there are simply way too many good cops that provide an outstanding service while placing their lives on the line for us to condemn them with blanket statements. When one defends themselves against some dickhead trying to assault them... I'm on their side. Period. When one acts out of line and abuses their position of power... I am not.
I think I speak for many when I say such (probably even the ones you listed earlier).
Thirty, you covered it pretty well. Thank you.
Cheers.
* People's Court. Too funny. Don't mess with judge Judy.
Over and over and over and over I hear "reach for the cops gun"...rarely with any evidence beyond the word of the cop.
Aren't any of you concerned that cops can just lie and say "he reached for my gun" after they shoot someone unjustly by mistake?...and there is no eevidence but words, but that is enough for everyone to move on, even if it happens over and over in a cops career. It's insane. It's the get out of jail free card for cops.
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gambs, the recent incident out here showed the person was indeed reaching for the officer's weapon.
And...absolutely not a fan of lying. I don't excuse the police doing so any more than I do for those not on the force.
I think he means the life of the person not being threatening and crazy, and instead trying to protect the public, wins, if one must die.
Ok, I see what you mean. But what if, in turn, it's the cop that's being threatening and crazy. I feel that notion is never discussed, almost as if it's voodoo to even discuss that the police may be the bad guys in some situations. But we now know they can be. So who's life is more valuable? Why is it, we support those in authority with no questions asked? Well, I'm asking that question.
If a cop has acted badly, people are more than willing to condemn.
Unless the cop is wrong. Which is exactly what's been happening lately.
I'm not sure what you mean by this?
Sorry, misunderstood your post initially.
But the public is not entirely up in arms about the poor actions on behalf of the cops lately. Still many defend their actions regardless.
It depends on which case you refer to.
If you are referring to the Brown case, the public was incensed... but wrongly so. If you are referring to the Rice case... I hear you. This has been expressed before: the anti-establishment people would have fared very well rallying around Tamir Rice instead of Brown.
The other case that makes me seethe is the Kelly Thomas case. Hearing him cry out for his father as he was getting assaulted by those asshole cops choked me up. Those cops can suffer in Hell for all I care.
Backseat... there are simply way too many good cops that provide an outstanding service while placing their lives on the line for us to condemn them with blanket statements. When one defends themselves against some dickhead trying to assault them... I'm on their side. Period. When one acts out of line and abuses their position of power... I am not.
I think I speak for many when I say such (probably even the ones you listed earlier).
I think you should stop speaking for many, as the "many" tend to sheepishly piggyback your quotes with an "I agree" rather than speaking for themselves (you know who you are).
Again, looking at the problem optimistically rather than taking ALL of the stories that have been released in the last 10 months alone for what they're worth (many police brutality cases), is pretty much not looking realistic at the problem. It's denying that there is a major problem in this country with minorities and the Police. You may not be living in denial, but others are very much so.
Over and over and over and over I hear "reach for the cops gun"...rarely with any evidence beyond the word of the cop.
Aren't any of you concerned that cops can just lie and say "he reached for my gun" after they shoot someone unjustly by mistake?...and there is no eevidence but words, but that is enough for everyone to move on, even if it happens over and over in a cops career. It's insane. It's the get out of jail free card for cops.
And what cop doesn't want a Get out of Jail Free Card?
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Oh for the love of Pete. I speak for myself - and my goodness gracious! - will acknowledge those who better articulate my thoughts at the moment.
All you guys do is flat out support with no justification for KILLING another human, when it is supposed to be a last resort. For the sake of humanity, where is your conscience? Do you honestly feel we should obey or else death becomes us, because we dare to question the police?
I don't support cops killing people for arguing. I do justify cops shooting people who are putting others in imminent danger. Cops shoot to STOP not shoot to kill. The way you shoot to stop is to aim for center mass. Death is often the unfortunate outcome. But it is an outcome directly caused by the suspect escalating it to that point. You want to excuse criminals for their unlawful behavior and handcuff cops who are trying to protect themselves and others.
And to explicitly answer you latest query, I don't value all life the same, and I think that a scumbag, anti-social, criminals life is less valuable than mine or than the people protecting mine.
Cops aiming for the center mass is NOT shooting to stop, and you know it. Shooting for center mass is aiming for the heart. You're doing nothing but making excuses for murder. I can see what that says about your conscience.
And sometimes that scumbag, anti-social criminal grows up to enter the police academy to become a cop.
Oh for the love of Pete. I speak for myself - and my goodness gracious! - will acknowledge those who better articulate my thoughts at the moment.
Let's leave the personal shots at the door, yeah?
Then actually speak for yourself, then, dammit! If all you can do is piggy back, you add not much to the conversation. I asked you a question and you told me to look up your posts. That's the worse cop out ever.
I think he means the life of the person not being threatening and crazy, and instead trying to protect the public, wins, if one must die.
Ok, I see what you mean. But what if, in turn, it's the cop that's being threatening and crazy. I feel that notion is never discussed, almost as if it's voodoo to even discuss that the police may be the bad guys in some situations. But we now know they can be. So who's life is more valuable? Why is it, we support those in authority with no questions asked? Well, I'm asking that question.
If a cop has acted badly, people are more than willing to condemn.
Unless the cop is wrong. Which is exactly what's been happening lately.
I'm not sure what you mean by this?
Sorry, misunderstood your post initially.
But the public is not entirely up in arms about the poor actions on behalf of the cops lately. Still many defend their actions regardless.
It depends on which case you refer to.
If you are referring to the Brown case, the public was incensed... but wrongly so. If you are referring to the Rice case... I hear you. This has been expressed before: the anti-establishment people would have fared very well rallying around Tamir Rice instead of Brown.
The other case that makes me seethe is the Kelly Thomas case. Hearing him cry out for his father as he was getting assaulted by those asshole cops choked me up. Those cops can suffer in Hell for all I care.
Backseat... there are simply way too many good cops that provide an outstanding service while placing their lives on the line for us to condemn them with blanket statements. When one defends themselves against some dickhead trying to assault them... I'm on their side. Period. When one acts out of line and abuses their position of power... I am not.
I think I speak for many when I say such (probably even the ones you listed earlier).
I think you should stop speaking for many, as the "many" tend to sheepishly piggyback your quotes with an "I agree" rather than speaking for themselves (you know who you are).
Again, looking at the problem optimistically rather than taking ALL of the stories that have been released in the last 10 months alone for what they're worth (many police brutality cases), is pretty much not looking realistic at the problem. It's denying that there is a major problem in this country with minorities and the Police. You may not be living in denial, but others are very much so.
When I say such, I think I am encompassing the sentiments expressed by 'many'.
Some people affirm the assertion. It's pretty standard behavior for an online community. We don't expect everyone to write a lengthy post that says the same thing that someone else might have already written.
And the problem you speak of is only on the front lines. If you wish to solve the problems, then stop asking cops to be more patient with the people they are forced to deal with. This is a by-product of the society YOU contribute to and succeed in- you're to blame as much as anyone.
Take steps to distribute wealth with a slightly more equitable model and you might begin to see people less inclined to lean towards crime. Legalize drugs and create a nationwide industry for production, processing, distribution, and regulation and you might begin to see progress as well.
Are there any minorities on these boards? How about we hear what their views are. I bet not one of you supporting the police is in the minority.
Some very sound logic has been presented to you.
You have ignored it and further... you have become rude- taking personal shots, stomping your foot, and appearing completely unwilling to consider anything outside of your belief system.
I think he means the life of the person not being threatening and crazy, and instead trying to protect the public, wins, if one must die.
Ok, I see what you mean. But what if, in turn, it's the cop that's being threatening and crazy. I feel that notion is never discussed, almost as if it's voodoo to even discuss that the police may be the bad guys in some situations. But we now know they can be. So who's life is more valuable? Why is it, we support those in authority with no questions asked? Well, I'm asking that question.
If a cop has acted badly, people are more than willing to condemn.
Unless the cop is wrong. Which is exactly what's been happening lately.
I'm not sure what you mean by this?
Sorry, misunderstood your post initially.
But the public is not entirely up in arms about the poor actions on behalf of the cops lately. Still many defend their actions regardless.
It depends on which case you refer to.
If you are referring to the Brown case, the public was incensed... but wrongly so. If you are referring to the Rice case... I hear you. This has been expressed before: the anti-establishment people would have fared very well rallying around Tamir Rice instead of Brown.
The other case that makes me seethe is the Kelly Thomas case. Hearing him cry out for his father as he was getting assaulted by those asshole cops choked me up. Those cops can suffer in Hell for all I care.
Backseat... there are simply way too many good cops that provide an outstanding service while placing their lives on the line for us to condemn them with blanket statements. When one defends themselves against some dickhead trying to assault them... I'm on their side. Period. When one acts out of line and abuses their position of power... I am not.
I think I speak for many when I say such (probably even the ones you listed earlier).
I think you should stop speaking for many, as the "many" tend to sheepishly piggyback your quotes with an "I agree" rather than speaking for themselves (you know who you are).
Again, looking at the problem optimistically rather than taking ALL of the stories that have been released in the last 10 months alone for what they're worth (many police brutality cases), is pretty much not looking realistic at the problem. It's denying that there is a major problem in this country with minorities and the Police. You may not be living in denial, but others are very much so.
When I say such, I think I am encompassing the sentiments expressed by 'many'.
Some people affirm the assertion. It's pretty standard behavior for an online community. We don't expect everyone to write a lengthy post that says the same thing that someone else might have already written.
And the problem you speak of is only on the front lines. If you wish to solve the problems, then stop asking cops to be more patient with the people they are forced to deal with. This is a by-product of the society YOU contribute to and succeed in- you're to blame as much as anyone.
Take steps to distribute wealth with a slightly more equitable model and you might begin to see people less inclined to lean towards crime. Legalize drugs and create a nationwide industry for production, processing, distribution, and regulation and you might begin to see progress as well.
I asked hedonist among others to explain how it is conscionable to say that death is a reasonable punishment in the situations we've heard about. I've yet to hear how it is from anyone but you, Thirty. This is a personal question, since everyone has a conscience, no? So speaking for many doesn't cut it, it's a sheepish way out of a difficult question. I don't think it is conscionable, and I want to hear from those who think it is.
Oh, and saying it is my problem, as a citizen of society, is true, yet a weak approach of somehow blaming me for speaking the truth, the truth no one wants to really think or talk about.
I agree with you in the last paragraph.
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Are there any minorities on these boards? How about we hear what their views are. I bet not one of you supporting the police is in the minority.
I'm a German-Persian Jewish-born woman. I've had a few fucked up experiences because of all of those descriptors that to some might justify yelling "minority here!"
More than 20 years ago my city was FUCKED on a human and physical level due to the actions of some police. Rodney King, wasted as he was, didn't deserve what was laid upon him (nor was Reginald Denny, in the aftermath).
I have spoken for myself - it's there for you to read and see. Don't care to? It's alright.
As to cop-out...OK. Sorry to say your view has lost much of the value I used to hold.
Are there any minorities on these boards? How about we hear what their views are. I bet not one of you supporting the police is in the minority.
I'm a German-Persian Jewish-born woman. I've had a few fucked up experiences because of all of those descriptors that to some might justify yelling "minority here!"
More than 20 years ago my city was FUCKED on a human and physical level due to the actions of some police. Rodney King, wasted as he was, didn't deserve what was laid upon him (nor was Reginald Denny, in the aftermath).
I have spoken for myself - it's there for you to read and see. Don't care to? It's alright.
As to cop-out...OK. Sorry to say your view has lost much of the value I used to hold.
I am a female, so to clarify, I meant black, Hispanic, Asian, etc.
I can't read any more from you unless you answer my questions... How is it conscionable to say that death is a reasonable punishment in the situation of 4 cops on 1 man?
Are there any minorities on these boards? How about we hear what their views are. I bet not one of you supporting the police is in the minority.
Some very sound logic has been presented to you.
You have ignored it and further... you have become rude- taking personal shots, stomping your foot, and appearing completely unwilling to consider anything outside of your belief system.
Not fantastic.
I have ignored what, I ask questions and get the run-around for answers. Except for the other post, 30, where I agree with you, you are merely taking stabs now. My belief system or the big elephant in the room that we are having a national crisis between Police and minorities??? That shoot to kill is acceptable???
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Are there any minorities on these boards? How about we hear what their views are. I bet not one of you supporting the police is in the minority.
I'm a German-Persian Jewish-born woman. I've had a few fucked up experiences because of all of those descriptors that to some might justify yelling "minority here!"
More than 20 years ago my city was FUCKED on a human and physical level due to the actions of some police. Rodney King, wasted as he was, didn't deserve what was laid upon him (nor was Reginald Denny, in the aftermath).
I have spoken for myself - it's there for you to read and see. Don't care to? It's alright.
As to cop-out...OK. Sorry to say your view has lost much of the value I used to hold.
I am a female, so to clarify, I meant black, Hispanic, Asian, etc.
I can't read any more from you unless you answer my questions...
Ah, Middle Eastern isn't the same.
OK.
Your last comment makes me envision an interrogation light!
We didn't hear of police abuse in the past because there wasn't a camera on every traffic stop or every disturbance call. I'm sure it existed 30 years ago,
Are there any minorities on these boards? How about we hear what their views are. I bet not one of you supporting the police is in the minority.
I'm a German-Persian Jewish-born woman. I've had a few fucked up experiences because of all of those descriptors that to some might justify yelling "minority here!"
More than 20 years ago my city was FUCKED on a human and physical level due to the actions of some police. Rodney King, wasted as he was, didn't deserve what was laid upon him (nor was Reginald Denny, in the aftermath).
I have spoken for myself - it's there for you to read and see. Don't care to? It's alright.
As to cop-out...OK. Sorry to say your view has lost much of the value I used to hold.
I am a female, so to clarify, I meant black, Hispanic, Asian, etc.
I can't read any more from you unless you answer my questions... How is it conscionable to say that death is a reasonable punishment in the situation of 4 cops on 1 man?
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But the public is not entirely up in arms about the poor actions on behalf of the cops lately. Still many defend their actions regardless.
If you are referring to the Brown case, the public was incensed... but wrongly so. If you are referring to the Rice case... I hear you. This has been expressed before: the anti-establishment people would have fared very well rallying around Tamir Rice instead of Brown.
The other case that makes me seethe is the Kelly Thomas case. Hearing him cry out for his father as he was getting assaulted by those asshole cops choked me up. Those cops can suffer in Hell for all I care.
Backseat... there are simply way too many good cops that provide an outstanding service while placing their lives on the line for us to condemn them with blanket statements. When one defends themselves against some dickhead trying to assault them... I'm on their side. Period. When one acts out of line and abuses their position of power... I am not.
I think I speak for many when I say such (probably even the ones you listed earlier).
Let me just share this. After a combination of 15 interviews, aptitude tests, physical tests, psyche tests, drug tests, interviews w/ family and friends, and a Full FBI background check I was asked during my final interview in front of a police board one simple question. And if you hesitate answering this question with a immediate YES you will be escorted off the premises. So here is the question…..Can you KILL another human being who is a threat to your life or another's life?? Think about that for a second…….Can you do it?????
Well if you think about it for more than a second you are DEAD. As much as some of you will hate hearing that, its a trait that is a absolute in Law enforcement and absolutely necessary.
I will answer Backseats last question with……..YES, my life is more important than anyone who is trying to kill me or another….
And to explicitly answer you latest query, I don't value all life the same, and I think that a scumbag, anti-social, criminals life is less valuable than mine or than the people protecting mine.
* People's Court. Too funny. Don't mess with judge Judy.
Aren't any of you concerned that cops can just lie and say "he reached for my gun" after they shoot someone unjustly by mistake?...and there is no eevidence but words, but that is enough for everyone to move on, even if it happens over and over in a cops career.
It's insane. It's the get out of jail free card for cops.
And...absolutely not a fan of lying. I don't excuse the police doing so any more than I do for those not on the force.
Again, looking at the problem optimistically rather than taking ALL of the stories that have been released in the last 10 months alone for what they're worth (many police brutality cases), is pretty much not looking realistic at the problem. It's denying that there is a major problem in this country with minorities and the Police. You may not be living in denial, but others are very much so.
Let's leave the personal shots at the door, yeah?
And sometimes that scumbag, anti-social criminal grows up to enter the police academy to become a cop.
Some people affirm the assertion. It's pretty standard behavior for an online community. We don't expect everyone to write a lengthy post that says the same thing that someone else might have already written.
And the problem you speak of is only on the front lines. If you wish to solve the problems, then stop asking cops to be more patient with the people they are forced to deal with. This is a by-product of the society YOU contribute to and succeed in- you're to blame as much as anyone.
Take steps to distribute wealth with a slightly more equitable model and you might begin to see people less inclined to lean towards crime. Legalize drugs and create a nationwide industry for production, processing, distribution, and regulation and you might begin to see progress as well.
You have ignored it and further... you have become rude- taking personal shots, stomping your foot, and appearing completely unwilling to consider anything outside of your belief system.
Not fantastic.
Oh, and saying it is my problem, as a citizen of society, is true, yet a weak approach of somehow blaming me for speaking the truth, the truth no one wants to really think or talk about.
I agree with you in the last paragraph.
More than 20 years ago my city was FUCKED on a human and physical level due to the actions of some police. Rodney King, wasted as he was, didn't deserve what was laid upon him (nor was Reginald Denny, in the aftermath).
I have spoken for myself - it's there for you to read and see. Don't care to? It's alright.
As to cop-out...OK. Sorry to say your view has lost much of the value I used to hold.
I can't read any more from you unless you answer my questions... How is it conscionable to say that death is a reasonable punishment in the situation of 4 cops on 1 man?
OK.
Your last comment makes me envision an interrogation light!
Have a good night.