What the hell happened in Wisconsin?

gimmesometruth27

anybody see the most recent episode of Vice?

PJ_Soul

Sometimes it's justified when cops shoot and kill people. But a lot of the time it seems like the cops are killing people just to avoid getting a scratch or a bruise or a kick to the shin rather than avoiding serious injury or death. I don't think that seems right given the nature of their jobs. What happened to cops physically restraining unarmed people instead of shooting them dead, especially when we're talking about mentally ill people? Lately I feel like some cops would shoot someone to avoid getting hang nail.

callen

PJ_Soul said:

Sometimes it's justified when cops shoot and kill people. But a lot of the time it seems like the cops are killing people just to avoid getting a scratch or a bruise or a kick to the shin rather than avoiding serious injury or death. I don't think that seems right given the nature of their jobs. What happened to cops physically restraining unarmed people instead of shooting them dead, especially when we're talking about mentally ill people? Lately I feel like some cops would shoot someone to avoid getting hang nail.

Or if the cops outnumber baddie 5 to one.

Last-12-Exit

PJ_Soul said:

Sometimes it's justified when cops shoot and kill people. But a lot of the time it seems like the cops are killing people just to avoid getting a scratch or a bruise or a kick to the shin rather than avoiding serious injury or death. I don't think that seems right given the nature of their jobs. What happened to cops physically restraining unarmed people instead of shooting them dead, especially when we're talking about mentally ill people? Lately I feel like some cops would shoot someone to avoid getting hang nail.

To avoid a hang nail? Seriously? Cops are put in life threatening situations on a daily basis. I wonder what percentage of people that have interactions with the police actually get shot. Im sure a quick google search would answer that. My guess is that its less than 1%.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Last-12-Exit said:

PJ_Soul said:

Sometimes it's justified when cops shoot and kill people. But a lot of the time it seems like the cops are killing people just to avoid getting a scratch or a bruise or a kick to the shin rather than avoiding serious injury or death. I don't think that seems right given the nature of their jobs. What happened to cops physically restraining unarmed people instead of shooting them dead, especially when we're talking about mentally ill people? Lately I feel like some cops would shoot someone to avoid getting hang nail.

To avoid a hang nail? Seriously? Cops are put in life threatening situations on a daily basis. I wonder what percentage of people that have interactions with the police actually get shot. Im sure a quick google search would answer that. My guess is that its less than 1%.

Waaaaaaaaay less than 1%.

And the people making lame comments about cops being wusses simply have no idea of being in harm's way. They blissfully go about their day seemingly unaware that cops in all facets of crime are keeping a lid on trouble for them.

There are definitive cases of cop abuse and brutality, however I am consistently stunned when people think a cop shooting someone who is attacking them falls into that category as well- sometimes with comments like, "Who cares if you get a broken nose or dinged up a bit?"

Huh?

Geezuz, man.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

Sometimes it's justified when cops shoot and kill people. But a lot of the time it seems like the cops are killing people just to avoid getting a scratch or a bruise or a kick to the shin rather than avoiding serious injury or death. I don't think that seems right given the nature of their jobs. What happened to cops physically restraining unarmed people instead of shooting them dead, especially when we're talking about mentally ill people? Lately I feel like some cops would shoot someone to avoid getting hang nail.

that's a tad much, don'tcha think?

rr165892

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

Sometimes it's justified when cops shoot and kill people. But a lot of the time it seems like the cops are killing people just to avoid getting a scratch or a bruise or a kick to the shin rather than avoiding serious injury or death. I don't think that seems right given the nature of their jobs. What happened to cops physically restraining unarmed people instead of shooting them dead, especially when we're talking about mentally ill people? Lately I feel like some cops would shoot someone to avoid getting hang nail.

that's a tad much, don'tcha think?

Yeah,PJ I think you may be off base on this one.

jeffbr

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Last-12-Exit said:

PJ_Soul said:

Sometimes it's justified when cops shoot and kill people. But a lot of the time it seems like the cops are killing people just to avoid getting a scratch or a bruise or a kick to the shin rather than avoiding serious injury or death. I don't think that seems right given the nature of their jobs. What happened to cops physically restraining unarmed people instead of shooting them dead, especially when we're talking about mentally ill people? Lately I feel like some cops would shoot someone to avoid getting hang nail.

To avoid a hang nail? Seriously? Cops are put in life threatening situations on a daily basis. I wonder what percentage of people that have interactions with the police actually get shot. Im sure a quick google search would answer that. My guess is that its less than 1%.

Waaaaaaaaay less than 1%.

And the people making lame comments about cops being wusses simply have no idea of being in harm's way. They blissfully go about their day seemingly unaware that cops in all facets of crime are keeping a lid on trouble for them.

There are definitive cases of cop abuse and brutality, however I am consistently stunned when people think a cop shooting someone who is attacking them falls into that category as well- sometimes with comments like, "Who cares if you get a broken nose or dinged up a bit?"

Huh?

Geezuz, man.

Agreed, it is probably way less than 1%. And of those shootings, I'd guess a very large percentage involved some sort of jackassery on the part of the perp leading up to the shooting. On the AMT, for all of the cop shootings we've discussed, in almost every case (except of course Tamir Rice), the dude who got shot could have easily created a different outcome for himself.

callen

With the advent of video, that can't be refuted by police, it has come to light that there are citizens being abused and killed by cops when unnecessary. It would of kept on or gotten worse but now can be addressed.

Yes it is rare but it happens and needs to be addressed.

Started with Rodney.

rr165892

callen said:

With the advent of video, that can't be refuted by police, it has come to light that there are citizens being abused and killed by cops when unnecessary. It would of kept on or gotten worse but now can be addressed.

Yes it is rare but it happens and needs to be addressed.

Started with Rodney.

Rodney the saint?

rr165892

Not saying he had it coming because I'm not.But the dude was not a stand up citizen.

PJ_Soul

rr165892 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

Sometimes it's justified when cops shoot and kill people. But a lot of the time it seems like the cops are killing people just to avoid getting a scratch or a bruise or a kick to the shin rather than avoiding serious injury or death. I don't think that seems right given the nature of their jobs. What happened to cops physically restraining unarmed people instead of shooting them dead, especially when we're talking about mentally ill people? Lately I feel like some cops would shoot someone to avoid getting hang nail.

that's a tad much, don'tcha think?

Yeah,PJ I think you may be off base on this one.

I don't understand how you folks didn't pick up on the fact that I wasn't being literal. I thought the hang nail comment would make that more than obvious.
I think you get my point though? Of course I don't mean all cops. That's why I said "some" cops. And yeah, it happens pretty often! Not always shooting them, but using tasers and stuff - unjustified excessive force - and tasers actually kill more people in Canada than cop's guns do, absolutely. Happens all the time. The cops even taser people to avoid running more than 6 feet, seriously. Hell, the cops taser little kids who are throwing tantrums sometimes!

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

rr165892 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

Sometimes it's justified when cops shoot and kill people. But a lot of the time it seems like the cops are killing people just to avoid getting a scratch or a bruise or a kick to the shin rather than avoiding serious injury or death. I don't think that seems right given the nature of their jobs. What happened to cops physically restraining unarmed people instead of shooting them dead, especially when we're talking about mentally ill people? Lately I feel like some cops would shoot someone to avoid getting hang nail.

that's a tad much, don'tcha think?

Yeah,PJ I think you may be off base on this one.

I don't understand how you folks didn't pick up on the fact that I wasn't being literal. I thought the hang nail comment would make that more than obvious.
I think you get my point though? Of course I don't mean all cops. That's why I said "some" cops. And yeah, it happens pretty often! Not always shooting them, but using tasers and stuff - unjustified excessive force - and tasers actually kill more people in Canada than cop's guns do, absolutely. Happens all the time. The cops even taser people to avoid running more than 6 feet, seriously. Hell, the cops taser little kids who are throwing tantrums sometimes!

bullshit. show me stories of that. cops tasering kids "sometimes" for throwing tantrums.

PJ_Soul

Just google cops tasering children. A lot of results.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

Just google cops tasering children. A lot of results.

generally when someone makes a claim, the onus is on them to provide back up. not say "do it yourself".

hedonist

PJ_Soul said:

rr165892 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

Sometimes it's justified when cops shoot and kill people. But a lot of the time it seems like the cops are killing people just to avoid getting a scratch or a bruise or a kick to the shin rather than avoiding serious injury or death. I don't think that seems right given the nature of their jobs. What happened to cops physically restraining unarmed people instead of shooting them dead, especially when we're talking about mentally ill people? Lately I feel like some cops would shoot someone to avoid getting hang nail.

that's a tad much, don'tcha think?

Yeah,PJ I think you may be off base on this one.

I don't understand how you folks didn't pick up on the fact that I wasn't being literal. I thought the hang nail comment would make that more than obvious.
I think you get my point though? Of course I don't mean all cops. That's why I said "some" cops. And yeah, it happens pretty often! Not always shooting them, but using tasers and stuff - unjustified excessive force - and tasers actually kill more people in Canada than cop's guns do, absolutely. Happens all the time. The cops even taser people to avoid running more than 6 feet, seriously. Hell, the cops taser little kids who are throwing tantrums sometimes!

PJ, there's an irony in this - where many have decried using lethal force vs. other methods such as tasers or rubber bullets. It's sort of like damned if you (they) do or don't.

hedonist

In fact, from the latest article about today's shooting in Arizona (man who killed one and shot several others):

Police used a stun gun to subdue the suspect and led him out of a residential complex in a white full-body suit with his wrists shackled and took him to a hospital, television station 12 News, an NBC affiliate, reported.

backseatLover12

Posted this in the police abuse thread, thought maybe it belongs in this thread too. Perhaps retraining needs to be done in Wisconsin too.

Not sure if anyone's posted this. NYC cops are to be retrained.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/12/04/368515762/nyc-police-will-be-retrained-de-blasio-to-hold-news-conference
New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio and New York Police Department Commissioner Bill Bratton have announced plans to give training to police officers to help them treat all citizens with equal respect and with equal regard for their safety.

"These changes are happening because the people demanded it," de Blasio said.

The pair appeared at a news conference Thursday, one day after a grand jury declined to indict police officer Daniel Pantaleo in the July death of Staten Island man Eric Garner.

Speaking at the New York City Police Academy, de Blasio said the city's officers will do things a different way. De Blasio also noted that despite large protests Wednesday, only 83 people were arrested.

You can watch the live video above; we'll update this post as news emerges.

HughFreakingDillon

backseatLover12 said:

Posted this in the police abuse thread, thought maybe it belongs in this thread too. Perhaps retraining needs to be done in Wisconsin too.

Not sure if anyone's posted this. NYC cops are to be retrained.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/12/04/368515762/nyc-police-will-be-retrained-de-blasio-to-hold-news-conference
New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio and New York Police Department Commissioner Bill Bratton have announced plans to give training to police officers to help them treat all citizens with equal respect and with equal regard for their safety.

"These changes are happening because the people demanded it," de Blasio said.

The pair appeared at a news conference Thursday, one day after a grand jury declined to indict police officer Daniel Pantaleo in the July death of Staten Island man Eric Garner.

Speaking at the New York City Police Academy, de Blasio said the city's officers will do things a different way. De Blasio also noted that despite large protests Wednesday, only 83 people were arrested.

You can watch the live video above; we'll update this post as news emerges.

shit like that is nothing more than a PR stunt to appease the raging public. how many cops actually go through and fulfill that training, i would guess would be near zero.

callen

rr165892 said:

callen said:

With the advent of video, that can't be refuted by police, it has come to light that there are citizens being abused and killed by cops when unnecessary. It would of kept on or gotten worse but now can be addressed.

Yes it is rare but it happens and needs to be addressed.

Started with Rodney.

Rodney the saint?

Really RR. REALLY?!?! Who said he was a saint? Being dumb doesn't mean one deserve to be beaten to death. Cops are not judge or executioner.

Rodney pointed out as the beginning of video. Prior cops word over all others. This changed that dynamic.