What the hell happened in Wisconsin?

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Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
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So a cop is responding to a disturbance call. He hears a commotion in the house or apartment. Opens the door. A scuffle ensues in which an 18 year old assaulted a police officer. The police officer shot the guy.

When are people going to understand that you can NOT punch, push, kick, slap, lick, or grab a police officers gun. This will be the end result.


Has somebody heard a different story than this?
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Last-12-Exit said:

    So a cop is responding to a disturbance call. He hears a commotion in the house or apartment. Opens the door. A scuffle ensues in which an 18 year old assaulted a police officer. The police officer shot the guy.

    When are people going to understand that you can NOT punch, push, kick, slap, lick, or grab a police officers gun. This will be the end result.


    Has somebody heard a different story than this?

    Yeah its dumb to scuffle with police, and you are likely to get shot, but that doesn't make it right. Lots of people, of all races and places, don't respond well to another person laying hands on them, cop or not... Should they die for that?
    Are you saying that pushes and slaps of officers should be punished with death?
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Not sure where it says that licking a police officers gun will result in death.
  • backseatLover12
    backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    Oh great, another cop thread of the same shit, different day...



  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    backseatLover12 said:

    Oh great, another cop thread of the same shit, different day...



    I know. You'd think people would learn that fighting with the cops won't end well for the citizen most of the time.
  • backseatLover12
    backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    edited March 2015
    And one should know that cops aren't above the law to dictate death to anyone who dares not to obey and comply...

    There's a reason why there are no statistics on national deaths by police brutality. Cops have gotten away with it for this long, well, no more...
    Post edited by backseatLover12 on
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    The cops have every right to defend themselves by using deadly force.
  • backseatLover12
    backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    edited March 2015
    it's like talking to a wall, you just refuse to let it sink in.

    Whatever, man. Enjoy your screwed up view of the cops vs. the rest of us. I'm done talking to a wall.
    Post edited by backseatLover12 on
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    There's nothing that needs to sink in here. Your judge, jury, executioner cries don't fit here. We, the citizens of this country, give the police this right. Every single time a cop shoots a dumb ass for hitting him, the cop is supposed to burn in hell?

  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Last-12-Exit said:

    There's nothing that needs to sink in here. Your judge, jury, executioner cries don't fit here. We, the citizens of this country, give the police this right. Every single time a cop shoots a dumb ass for hitting him, the cop is supposed to burn in hell?

    I'm pretty sure some would prefer cop funerals versus idiot criminal funerals.

    Better safe than sorry... meaning: it's better the cop die or get severely hurt instead of some idiot that engages a cop in a fight at the scene of an investigation getting shot or killed.

    Stupidity.
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,419
    edited March 2015
    Last-12-Exit said:

    There's nothing that needs to sink in here. Your judge, jury, executioner cries don't fit here. We, the citizens of this country, give the police this right. Every single time a cop shoots a dumb ass for hitting him, the cop is supposed to burn in hell?

    If you were attacked by that kid you would be fully within your rights to defend yourself. And if that act of self defense meant your attacker dies then that would be within the boundaries set by self-defense laws.

    However there are some people on here who believe that all police officers are evil.
    And if a cop defends himself and kills his attacker that cop must die a fiery death in hell.
    Post edited by Bentleyspop on
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    If i am getting detained by a cop, even if totally wrong, i would NOT fucking resist. He carries a gun to protect those around him, and if he believes you are trying to get his gun or harm him, you are going to get shot. Your fault.
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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    There's nothing that needs to sink in here. Your judge, jury, executioner cries don't fit here. We, the citizens of this country, give the police this right. Every single time a cop shoots a dumb ass for hitting him, the cop is supposed to burn in hell?

    I'm pretty sure some would prefer cop funerals versus idiot criminal funerals.

    Better safe than sorry... meaning: it's better the cop die or get severely hurt instead of some idiot that engages a cop in a fight at the scene of an investigation getting shot or killed.

    Stupidity.
    Since it's always the same posters on here on the same sides of the issue.Can we agree that those of us who live in reality,understand that assaulting an officer could and most likely get u killed,much like running around inside a tiger cage with a meat suit on will likely get you eatin.

    There sure is a lot of excuses for law breakers,terrorist and folks who don't control there own actions on these boards.ACCOUNTABILITY,people.
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    Mandate the wide-angle, always-on filming of police visits with audio. Refuse the police access to said recordings and provide a process for citizens to access their own footage (supervised) to use in the case of conflict resolution requirements. Assume the police are guilty until proven innocent (because in such a case, that would mean a citizen is innocent until proven guilty - a proper filming process would ensure this remains reasonable).

    Why do we need to be binary about what police can or can't do? I'd rather say that we should dedicate our energy towards baking accountability into police jobs. With all due respect, I don't complain about a high car insurance premium because I'm a 25 year old man and my fellow 25 year old men are statistically more likely to be in car accidents. If there's a skewing of data suggesting police are abusing power and acting with brutality: sorry officers, you've earned the obligation of being subjected to public scrutiny with always-on evidence gathering tools. And if you have nothing to hide, why would you care?
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,367
    An afterthought: police ought to be able to file claims against citizens as well, just their access to evidence video should be monitored just as closely as citizens'.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    rr165892 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    There's nothing that needs to sink in here. Your judge, jury, executioner cries don't fit here. We, the citizens of this country, give the police this right. Every single time a cop shoots a dumb ass for hitting him, the cop is supposed to burn in hell?

    I'm pretty sure some would prefer cop funerals versus idiot criminal funerals.

    Better safe than sorry... meaning: it's better the cop die or get severely hurt instead of some idiot that engages a cop in a fight at the scene of an investigation getting shot or killed.

    Stupidity.
    Since it's always the same posters on here on the same sides of the issue.Can we agree that those of us who live in reality,understand that assaulting an officer could and most likely get u killed,much like running around inside a tiger cage with a meat suit on will likely get you eatin.

    There sure is a lot of excuses for law breakers,terrorist and folks who don't control there own actions on these boards.ACCOUNTABILITY,people.
    Where is the ACCOUNTABILITY in giving police free reign to end the life of anyone they claim is assaulting them?
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Bentleyspop said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    There's nothing that needs to sink in here. Your judge, jury, executioner cries don't fit here. We, the citizens of this country, give the police this right. Every single time a cop shoots a dumb ass for hitting him, the cop is supposed to burn in hell?

    If you were attacked by that kid you would be fully within your rights to defend yourself. And if that act of self defense meant your attacker dies then that would be within the boundaries set by self-defense laws.

    However there are some people on here who believe that all police officers are evil.
    And if a cop defends himself and kills his attacker that cop must die a fiery death in hell.
    This just isn't accurate. In civillian life, where people have to answer for what they do, you can't kill someone for slapping you. It just doesn't work that way.
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  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,910
    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    There's nothing that needs to sink in here. Your judge, jury, executioner cries don't fit here. We, the citizens of this country, give the police this right. Every single time a cop shoots a dumb ass for hitting him, the cop is supposed to burn in hell?

    I'm pretty sure some would prefer cop funerals versus idiot criminal funerals.

    Better safe than sorry... meaning: it's better the cop die or get severely hurt instead of some idiot that engages a cop in a fight at the scene of an investigation getting shot or killed.

    Stupidity.
    Since it's always the same posters on here on the same sides of the issue.Can we agree that those of us who live in reality,understand that assaulting an officer could and most likely get u killed,much like running around inside a tiger cage with a meat suit on will likely get you eatin.

    There sure is a lot of excuses for law breakers,terrorist and folks who don't control there own actions on these boards.ACCOUNTABILITY,people.
    Where is the ACCOUNTABILITY in giving police free reign to end the life of anyone they claim is assaulting them?
    Just curious....what is a cop supposed to do if someone attacks them? Do you think it's ever acceptable for a cop to shoot someone if they feel their life or people in the area's lives are in danger?

    It's easy to just scream about cops shooting people....what's the answer?
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Indifference71 said:

    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    There's nothing that needs to sink in here. Your judge, jury, executioner cries don't fit here. We, the citizens of this country, give the police this right. Every single time a cop shoots a dumb ass for hitting him, the cop is supposed to burn in hell?

    I'm pretty sure some would prefer cop funerals versus idiot criminal funerals.

    Better safe than sorry... meaning: it's better the cop die or get severely hurt instead of some idiot that engages a cop in a fight at the scene of an investigation getting shot or killed.

    Stupidity.
    Since it's always the same posters on here on the same sides of the issue.Can we agree that those of us who live in reality,understand that assaulting an officer could and most likely get u killed,much like running around inside a tiger cage with a meat suit on will likely get you eatin.

    There sure is a lot of excuses for law breakers,terrorist and folks who don't control there own actions on these boards.ACCOUNTABILITY,people.
    Where is the ACCOUNTABILITY in giving police free reign to end the life of anyone they claim is assaulting them?
    Just curious....what is a cop supposed to do if someone attacks them? Do you think it's ever acceptable for a cop to shoot someone if they feel their life or people in the area's lives are in danger?

    It's easy to just scream about cops shooting people....what's the answer?
    A cop should do the same when attacked as you or I should do when attacked...apply force at a level which ends the threat without escalating to fatal force immediately.
    Of course I think it's USUALLY acceptable for a cop to shoot someone when they feel their life is in danger!
    The problem is that there is no process which actually attempts to determine if their life was in danger or not. The investigations into these shootings are a show and nothing more in most cases, if they weren't, we would see cops losing their jobs more often.

    There are plenty of answers, which we list frequently and then have to list again because cop defenders ignore them.
    Train police better...much better!
    Pay police better...much much better!
    Body cameras
    Non-lethal methods on unarmed suspects
    Independent investigations of fatal shootings and allegations of excessive force
    Remove from the fforce, or at least "street duty" individuals who unnecessarily kill unarmed suspects
    That's a good start.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Last-12-Exit said:

    So a cop is responding to a disturbance call. He hears a commotion in the house or apartment. Opens the door. A scuffle ensues in which an 18 year old assaulted a police officer. The police officer shot the guy.

    When are people going to understand that you can NOT punch, push, kick, slap, lick, or grab a police officers gun. This will be the end result.


    Has somebody heard a different story than this?

    Agree that this is being blown out of proportions.
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  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,910
    rgambs said:

    Indifference71 said:

    rgambs said:

    rr165892 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    There's nothing that needs to sink in here. Your judge, jury, executioner cries don't fit here. We, the citizens of this country, give the police this right. Every single time a cop shoots a dumb ass for hitting him, the cop is supposed to burn in hell?

    I'm pretty sure some would prefer cop funerals versus idiot criminal funerals.

    Better safe than sorry... meaning: it's better the cop die or get severely hurt instead of some idiot that engages a cop in a fight at the scene of an investigation getting shot or killed.

    Stupidity.
    Since it's always the same posters on here on the same sides of the issue.Can we agree that those of us who live in reality,understand that assaulting an officer could and most likely get u killed,much like running around inside a tiger cage with a meat suit on will likely get you eatin.

    There sure is a lot of excuses for law breakers,terrorist and folks who don't control there own actions on these boards.ACCOUNTABILITY,people.
    Where is the ACCOUNTABILITY in giving police free reign to end the life of anyone they claim is assaulting them?
    Just curious....what is a cop supposed to do if someone attacks them? Do you think it's ever acceptable for a cop to shoot someone if they feel their life or people in the area's lives are in danger?

    It's easy to just scream about cops shooting people....what's the answer?
    A cop should do the same when attacked as you or I should do when attacked...apply force at a level which ends the threat without escalating to fatal force immediately.
    Of course I think it's USUALLY acceptable for a cop to shoot someone when they feel their life is in danger!
    The problem is that there is no process which actually attempts to determine if their life was in danger or not. The investigations into these shootings are a show and nothing more in most cases, if they weren't, we would see cops losing their jobs more often.

    .
    I don't think there's a process that will ever be able to determine that 100%. Anytime someone attacks a cop, the cop's life is in danger. So what are they supposed to do? Reach for their taser and hope that the person attacking them doesn't get their gun?

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